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I can't decide between 4 Infallible or 3 Infal with a maelstrom staff.
FrostFallFox
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My maelstrom staffs are only precise though, and to do the 4 infallible Aether I would have to craft TBS staffs and ditch the VMA staff 
I can't decide so I was hoping some of y'all had some insight :B
I can't decide so I was hoping some of y'all had some insight :B
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✭✭✭✭✭Everything else the same, a sharpened staff and the 4th infall would do more than the precise maelstrom.0 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭You can't successfully use Twice Born Star as weapons.
Whenever you weapon swap you temporarily lose the bonus from the weapon you had, then gain the bonus from the new weapon. The problem with Twice Born Star is that it doesn't remember the second stone when you lose the bonus, so swapping weapons means you would need to pick up your second mundus again.
So Twice Born Star only works on armor, not weapons.Why be normal when you can be better?
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MaselClass RepresentativeI think he wants to use a tbs-staff on both bars, that would keep the second Mundus stone. I use 4 aether with jewelry and a divines robe and do exactly the same on my magblade, can't complain
have the same problem as you, all I have is two sharpened lightning vma staffs... Edited by Masel on November 24, 2016 8:03PMPC EU
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FrostFallFox✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »You can't successfully use Twice Born Star as weapons.
Whenever you weapon swap you temporarily lose the bonus from the weapon you had, then gain the bonus from the new weapon. The problem with Twice Born Star is that it doesn't remember the second stone when you lose the bonus, so swapping weapons means you would need to pick up your second mundus again.
So Twice Born Star only works on armor, not weapons.
@SolarCat02
Yes, that's why I would make multiple staffs of twice born star.\(^-,,-^)/0 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭FrostFallFox wrote: »
@FrostFallFox
Even with both weapons as staves, you would have to re-assign your second mundus stone after every single weapon swap.
Swapping from your primary bar to your back bar, you would lose your second mundus, then regain your ability to PICK a second mundus. But it would not keep that second mundus and reapply it.
Which is why Twice Born Star only works for armor, not weapons. Unless you never swap bars, ever, of course.Why be normal when you can be better?
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Lady Kalila, Stamina Templar DPS
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MaselClass RepresentativeSolarCat02 wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »
@FrostFallFox
Even with both weapons as staves, you would have to re-assign your second mundus stone after every single weapon swap.
Swapping from your primary bar to your back bar, you would lose your second mundus, then regain your ability to PICK a second mundus. But it would not keep that second mundus and reapply it.
Which is why Twice Born Star only works for armor, not weapons. Unless you never swap bars, ever, of course.
Really? That is bad design. Switch to julianos then and use sharpened crafted staffs of it, that's what I do...PC EU
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✭✭If you have precise MS staves, why not trying Scathing mage instead?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just ditch TBS and go with burning spellweave
@ Izaki #PCEU
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FrostFallFox✭✭✭✭ValkynSketha wrote: »Why not aether staff on main bar and msa staff on back?
@ValkynSketha
I don't have a sharpened Aether staff
@IzakiBrotheSs
Yoooo, TBS lets me have fashion though, and that health bonus.
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✭SolarCat02 wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »
@FrostFallFox
Even with both weapons as staves, you would have to re-assign your second mundus stone after every single weapon swap.
Swapping from your primary bar to your back bar, you would lose your second mundus, then regain your ability to PICK a second mundus. But it would not keep that second mundus and reapply it.
Which is why Twice Born Star only works for armor, not weapons. Unless you never swap bars, ever, of course.
This is not accurate I run a TBS sword on my DW bar and bow on my back bar.
I do not have to replace my second stone every time I weapon swap.0 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »
@FrostFallFox
Even with both weapons as staves, you would have to re-assign your second mundus stone after every single weapon swap.
Swapping from your primary bar to your back bar, you would lose your second mundus, then regain your ability to PICK a second mundus. But it would not keep that second mundus and reapply it.
Which is why Twice Born Star only works for armor, not weapons. Unless you never swap bars, ever, of course.
This is not accurate I run a TBS sword on my DW bar and bow on my back bar.
I do not have to replace my second stone every time I weapon swap.
Then they finally fixed that problem?
If true, that's awesome!Why be normal when you can be better?
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C4Bliss✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »
@FrostFallFox
Even with both weapons as staves, you would have to re-assign your second mundus stone after every single weapon swap.
Swapping from your primary bar to your back bar, you would lose your second mundus, then regain your ability to PICK a second mundus. But it would not keep that second mundus and reapply it.
Which is why Twice Born Star only works for armor, not weapons. Unless you never swap bars, ever, of course.
They fixed that bug... I got a setup with TBS weapons on both bars and Never lose my second stone when swapping.0 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »
@FrostFallFox
Even with both weapons as staves, you would have to re-assign your second mundus stone after every single weapon swap.
Swapping from your primary bar to your back bar, you would lose your second mundus, then regain your ability to PICK a second mundus. But it would not keep that second mundus and reapply it.
Which is why Twice Born Star only works for armor, not weapons. Unless you never swap bars, ever, of course.
They fixed that bug... I got a setup with TBS weapons on both bars and Never lose my second stone when swapping.
Thank you so much for letting me know. I did not see that in any of the patch notes.
This changes things. Thank you!Why be normal when you can be better?
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Lady Kalila, Stamina Templar DPS
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✭✭FrostFallFox wrote: »ValkynSketha wrote: »Why not aether staff on main bar and msa staff on back?
@ValkynSketha
I don't have a sharpened Aether staff
@IzakiBrotheSs
Yoooo, TBS lets me have fashion though, and that health bonus.
Oh you could always wear the pirate costume it never gets old @ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »You can't successfully use Twice Born Star as weapons.
Whenever you weapon swap you temporarily lose the bonus from the weapon you had, then gain the bonus from the new weapon. The problem with Twice Born Star is that it doesn't remember the second stone when you lose the bonus, so swapping weapons means you would need to pick up your second mundus again.
So Twice Born Star only works on armor, not weapons.
Not true. You just need a TBS weapon on both bars. That is how I run my trials build on a Sorc. 5TBS (4 armor and both staffs), 2 Llambris, 4 infal (jewelry and one armor piece). You do not lose the bonus when you swap.
If you don't have a sharp VMA staff, it's not even a debate. Sharp is OP. A non set weapon in sharp is better than a VMA staff in precise.
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✭✭✭✭✭Wow, if TBS can stay on with weapons...
I think Im gonna go craft me some TBS... or will I?...
Still gotta be on both bars - which makes sense... I guess it would be beneficial for other sets that only come in certain weapons etc...Edited by Waffennacht on November 25, 2016 3:35AM0 -
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✭Unless your wall is on the back bar like say on a sorc you have to ditch the vMA staff if it is not sharpened. Sharpened is worth more over any other trait than a vMA is worth over even a non set sharpened staff. I am sorry it is so. As they say, sharpened or nothing.I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yea, it was fixed. Not sure when, though, since it didn't appear in the patch notes.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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caperon✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »FrostFallFox wrote: »
@FrostFallFox
Even with both weapons as staves, you would have to re-assign your second mundus stone after every single weapon swap.
Swapping from your primary bar to your back bar, you would lose your second mundus, then regain your ability to PICK a second mundus. But it would not keep that second mundus and reapply it.
Which is why Twice Born Star only works for armor, not weapons. Unless you never swap bars, ever, of course.
THAT IS NOT TRUE. Its a common misconception, but you can actually USE 2 twice born star staves without any mundus losing problem. Ive done it for months.Edited by caperon on November 25, 2016 5:51AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@caperon it was true, apparently it was fixed without many of the old schoolers knowing, which is cool0 -
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✭FrostFallFox wrote: »
You have a tricky choice then. The vMA precise staff is fine on the sorc back bar as you spend only maybe 2/6 seconds on that but that leaves you with what weapon to put on the front bar. Obviously, if you have a sharpened IA staff or a sharpened vDSA staff either would be the ideal choice. This is why sharpened IA staffs are in such demand (vDSA staffs are generally forgotten about because of difficulty to acquisition and relative lack of stuff people want in vDSA but they do have a 1 pc + magic bonus so if you happen to pick one up say farming for a resto staff bully for you). Without either of those you have a less ideal scenario. With TBS you cannot have your 5th peice on just one bar or you will loose your mundus the first time you bar swap and not get it back. So basically, your TBS has to be all armor pieces if your using your vMA staff leaving the staff to be just some off-set or non-set sharpened staff. You may have one of these, like say a sharpened Alkosh inferno that you got as a troll drop from weekly's. Or, you could always just make one.
I am uncertain if in this 3infal, 5 TBS, 2 Monster, 1 vMA precise back bar, 1 off-set sharpened front bar scenario you end up better than 4 infal, 5 TBS, 2 monster. I expect that you do in ideal scenarios with stationary bosses and are probably behind when things get a little less controlled. In your situation I might be inclined to run this way in trials where things are controlled and go back to the no-vMA staff when actually running vMA where things run around all crazy and chase you. Of course, running your vMA staff you also look just like someone running a sharpened vMA set which may get you in some more runs. Ditto with crafting that off-set front bar staff in the Yokudan motif (that is the IA staff motif.) It never hurts to look the part.
As you can see, the hell ZOS makes you go through with the weapon traits on drop weapons in general really throws a kink into planning out your gear sets as does the issue with TBS and the loosing of the mundus. Many people find themselves in a very similar situation to you. What do they run opposite their vMA staff? They find themselves trying to farm up an IA staff, or a burning spell-weave one. In a typical trial I run the offer on the table for a sharpened IA staff is around 300k. For what it is worth, if I get another, I intend to sell it to whoever needs it.
For what it is all worth I have the same issue you do on my stam toon. I have 1 sharp vMA dagger and a few precise and infused dagger's and bows. Do I just run the sharp and craft everything else giving me an extra set peice or run all vMA and deal with the off traits as well as the cost to gold out these other weapons? I expect I am ahead running all vMA with the bow infused and the other dagger precise. I haven't messed with it all though since it's around 200k gold to make all the changes and I do not have the stam rotation practiced. I also expect that with that stam set up I would gain 10k dps over my magica NB though.
Best of luck to you.Edited by f047ys3v3n on November 28, 2016 7:11AMI am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.0 -
FrostFallFox✭✭✭✭@f047ys3v3n
Thanks Bee! Yeah if it would only be so easy to get a sharpened VMA staff and Aether staff \(^-,,-^)/0
