Nerf Meteor!(Mages' Guild Ultimate)

Lieblingsjunge

Eyo

Note: Please read the entire thing & Be sure you get the essence of the problem before you comment, ty!

Let's talk Meteor. It's a very common skill and a lot of people are using it! This thread is about Meteor in PvP, though. PvE got nothing to do with it! Unfortunately I am not able to record any videos, so I cannot show you what I mean, but I'll try and explain it!

It's around primetime on EU/PC. One campaign is full and another campaign is 1-2 factions on locked, one on high. You're playing with your friends, laughing with each other on Teamspeak, when suddenly.. Everyone stops moving. We can't move. There's no indication that we got cc'ed and we can't really see anyone either. 3 seconds later: Ka-boom'd. Meteor to the face. We wonder where it came from and why we got cc'ed before the meteor actually hit us. Invisible meteor best meteor. NERF METEOR!!

^Joke aside(Yes, I was trying to be funny). I understand that it's the server catching up. So I get where the issue is coming from, it's just turning out to be a major problem and here is why:
1) If you're running away from enemies and someone dumps a meteor on you(and you hear it coming) you immediately mist form or block, so you wont get cc'ed, but since it stuns you beforehand, you got no time to block so you end up taking the full knock-up. RIP. Or the double-CC. You CC-break the stun that comes from meteor before it hits('cus by now you've learnt..) so you cc-break it, yet you get knocked up into the air.
2) Roll-back'ed due to meteor. So, imagine you're at Chalman Milegate, Mist Forming for your life up the wooden stairs. You got hit by a meteor when you were on the middle stairs, but you still made it to the top. Suddenly, AY LMAO BACK TO THE MIDDLE FLOOR WITH YOU, BOI. Oops, you got roll-back'd. Get rekt.

tl;dr: Nerf meteor. It causes roll-backs and knock-ups although you *should* be cc-immune! And it cc's before the Meteor actually hit you.

Have a lovely day and enjoy ESO! -chirps-.

alephthiago

Op, I actually get rolled back in some meteors when the lag is too much and framerate is too low, but actually that happens to me in A LOT OF SITUATIONS. Just one funny example:
-Dawnbreakers (Suddenly i cant move for some reason > then i can move for some meters > I see the holy purifying light of Mediria > get cc'ed > break free and then i'm back to where everything started lol).

Why all this happens? What is your normal latency?

AzuraKin

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Eyo

Let's talk Meteor. It's a very common skill and a lot of people are using it! This thread is about Meteor in PvP, though. PvE got nothing to do with it! Unfortunately I am not able to record any videos, so I cannot show you what I mean, but I'll try and explain it!

It's around primetime on EU/PC. One campaign is full and another campaign is 1-2 factions on locked, one on high. You're playing with your friends, laughing with each other on Teamspeak, when suddenly.. Everyone stops moving. We can't move. There's no indication that we got cc'ed and we can't really see anyone either. 3 seconds later: Ka-boom'd. Meteor to the face. We wonder where it came from and why we got cc'ed before the meteor actually hit us. Invisible meteor best meteor. NERF METEOR!!

^Joke aside(Yes, I was trying to be funny). I understand that it's the server catching up. So I get where the issue is coming from, it's just turning out to be a major problem and here is why:
1) If you're running away from enemies and someone dumps a meteor on you(and you hear it coming) you immediately mist form or block, so you wont get cc'ed, but since it stuns you beforehand, you got no time to block so you end up taking the full knock-up. RIP. Or the double-CC. You CC-break the stun that comes from meteor before it hits('cus by now you've learnt..) so you cc-break it, yet you get knocked up into the air.
2) Roll-back'ed due to meteor. So, imagine you're at Chalman Milegate, Mist Forming for your life up the wooden stairs. You got hit by a meteor when you were on the middle stairs, but you still made it to the top. Suddenly, AY LMAO BACK TO THE MIDDLE FLOOR WITH YOU, BOI. Oops, you got roll-back'd. Get rekt.

tl;dr: Nerf meteor. It causes roll-backs and knock-ups although you *should* be cc-immune! And it cc's before the Meteor actually hit you.

Have a lovely day and enjoy ESO! -chirps-.

sounds like a personal issue not a server issue. i have pvped for years, taken so many meteors and while i am not good enough to dodge them (takes 2 dodgerolls) i can easily block them.

Lieblingsjunge

alephthiago wrote: »

Op, I actually get rolled back in some meteors when the lag is too much and framerate is too low, but actually that happens to me in A LOT OF SITUATIONS. Just one funny example:
-Dawnbreakers (Suddenly i cant move for some reason > then i can move for some meters > I see the holy purifying light of Mediria > get cc'ed > break free and then i'm back to where everything started lol).

Why all this happens? What is your normal latency?

I dunno... It happens when I'm running in a raid(6-10 guys) normally. It also happens if there's a lot of things happening around me and I'm solo.

I usually have 120-200 ping, and it doesn't seem laggy at all. game responds just fine.

AzuraKin wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Eyo

Let's talk Meteor. It's a very common skill and a lot of people are using it! This thread is about Meteor in PvP, though. PvE got nothing to do with it! Unfortunately I am not able to record any videos, so I cannot show you what I mean, but I'll try and explain it!

It's around primetime on EU/PC. One campaign is full and another campaign is 1-2 factions on locked, one on high. You're playing with your friends, laughing with each other on Teamspeak, when suddenly.. Everyone stops moving. We can't move. There's no indication that we got cc'ed and we can't really see anyone either. 3 seconds later: Ka-boom'd. Meteor to the face. We wonder where it came from and why we got cc'ed before the meteor actually hit us. Invisible meteor best meteor. NERF METEOR!!

^Joke aside(Yes, I was trying to be funny). I understand that it's the server catching up. So I get where the issue is coming from, it's just turning out to be a major problem and here is why:
1) If you're running away from enemies and someone dumps a meteor on you(and you hear it coming) you immediately mist form or block, so you wont get cc'ed, but since it stuns you beforehand, you got no time to block so you end up taking the full knock-up. RIP. Or the double-CC. You CC-break the stun that comes from meteor before it hits('cus by now you've learnt..) so you cc-break it, yet you get knocked up into the air.
2) Roll-back'ed due to meteor. So, imagine you're at Chalman Milegate, Mist Forming for your life up the wooden stairs. You got hit by a meteor when you were on the middle stairs, but you still made it to the top. Suddenly, AY LMAO BACK TO THE MIDDLE FLOOR WITH YOU, BOI. Oops, you got roll-back'd. Get rekt.

tl;dr: Nerf meteor. It causes roll-backs and knock-ups although you *should* be cc-immune! And it cc's before the Meteor actually hit you.

Have a lovely day and enjoy ESO! -chirps-.

sounds like a personal issue not a server issue. i have pvped for years, taken so many meteors and while i am not good enough to dodge them (takes 2 dodgerolls) i can easily block them.

Well, everyone else I've talked to, that runs in similar raids have the same issue.

Mush55

Yes lets Nerf everything for the PvP'ers and spoil my PvE........

UrbanMonk

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Snit

Your issue sounds a lot more like latency than skills balance. Cyro-lag introduces many such problems.

After you've played for a while, you get to the point where the meteor sound effect causes an instant block. You just react. And that more or less eliminates the threat, if they didn't use some other ability to stun you first.

Lieblingsjunge

I'm glad I wrote my post the way I did. Makes the forum-warriors that replies without reading the actual post seem like fools.

Snit wrote: »

Your issue sounds a lot more like latency than skills balance. Cyro-lag introduces many such problems.

After you've played for a while, you get to the point where the meteor sound effect causes an instant block. You just react. And that more or less eliminates the threat, if they didn't use some other ability to stun you first.

Yeah, but the problem is you get no chance to react. Because you get invisible cc'ed the moment someone uses meteor on you. I'm also aware it's most likely the Cyro-lag causing it.I only wrote it this way to lure out those that comments without actually reading the post. I'm fully aware that meteor should *not* be nerfed. It's a completely balanced ultimate.

Vaoh

I find invisible Negates, Eye of the Storms, and unloaded players to be more dangerous tbh.....

Vythri

No, you don't. Meteor does not CC you upon cast. It displays a graphic on the ground below your feet and plays a sound allowing you to block or dodge roll out of it. If you aren't blocking it or avoiding it in time, that's your problem or its a lag problem. It has literally nothing to do with the skill.

Lieblingsjunge

Vythri wrote: »

No, you don't. Meteor does not CC you upon cast. It displays a graphic on the ground below your feet and plays a sound allowing you to block or dodge roll out of it. If you aren't blocking it or avoiding it in time, that's your problem or its a lag problem. It has literally nothing to do with the skill.

Go back and read the first post again

Reverb

This thread has been brought to you from October 2015.

Lieblingsjunge

Reverb wrote: »

This thread has been brought to you from October 2015.

Oh, sorry I looked up Meteor on the forum-search, but couldn't find anything that explained this issue so I decided to create a post about it. Sorry if it's been known for a while. I didn't even play properly back then :-D

Alucardo

You might want to change the wording in your title. People will see "Nerf Meteor" and go straight for your throat, when in reality you just want it fixed.
Other ultimates, like incap and dawnbreaker also don't seem to care about CC immunity. I love getting dizzying swinged, picking myself up, then taking a dawnbreaker to the face only to get knocked down again.

psychotic13

If you can't deal with meteor you suck, all you have to do is block and it does almost no damage, hell you even have a heads up that it's coming

Lieblingsjunge

Alucardo wrote: »

You might want to change the wording in your title. People will see "Nerf Meteor" and go straight for your throat, when in reality you just want it fixed.
Other ultimates, like incap and dawnbreaker also don't seem to care about CC immunity. I love getting dizzying swinged, picking myself up, then taking a dawnbreaker to the face only to get knocked down again.

Ik, but I did it intentionally. To avoid having do discuss with people who clearly doesn't bother to read an entire first post(and hopefully make them feel embarassed so they never comment on anything again without reading the first post! ). I got no intention of talking to people that doesn't bother to read/find the essence of the topic.

Alucardo

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You might want to change the wording in your title. People will see "Nerf Meteor" and go straight for your throat, when in reality you just want it fixed.
Other ultimates, like incap and dawnbreaker also don't seem to care about CC immunity. I love getting dizzying swinged, picking myself up, then taking a dawnbreaker to the face only to get knocked down again.

Ik, but I did it intentionally. To avoid having do discuss with people who clearly doesn't bother to read an entire first post(and hopefully make them feel embarassed so they never comment on anything again without reading the first post! ). I got no intention of talking to people that doesn't bother to read/find the essence of the topic.

You mean like this guy?

psychotic13 wrote: »

If you can't deal with meteor you suck, all you have to do is block and it does almost no damage, hell you even have a heads up that it's coming

Kyye

Vaoh wrote: »

I find invisible Negates, Eye of the Storms, and unloaded players to be more dangerous tbh.....

Ok I knew those *** negates where invisible. How FUN it is to play magicka...

Lieblingsjunge

Alucardo wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You might want to change the wording in your title. People will see "Nerf Meteor" and go straight for your throat, when in reality you just want it fixed.
Other ultimates, like incap and dawnbreaker also don't seem to care about CC immunity. I love getting dizzying swinged, picking myself up, then taking a dawnbreaker to the face only to get knocked down again.

Ik, but I did it intentionally. To avoid having do discuss with people who clearly doesn't bother to read an entire first post(and hopefully make them feel embarassed so they never comment on anything again without reading the first post! ). I got no intention of talking to people that doesn't bother to read/find the essence of the topic.

You mean like this guy?

psychotic13 wrote: »

If you can't deal with meteor you suck, all you have to do is block and it does almost no damage, hell you even have a heads up that it's coming

Sssshhhhhhhhh. I wasn't gonna call any1 out but.. I'll secretly nod my head.
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But if it's been around since 2015, I'm guessing there's no chance of this ever getting "fixed..?

threefarms

ZOS should nerf yo ass

TrueGreenSmoker

Nerf stamina instead of magicka everytime its nerf this nerf that but all I see is Magicka abilities or magicka ultis... complain about stamina for once ffs...

Kutsuu

Alucardo wrote: »

You might want to change the wording in your title. People will see "Nerf Meteor" and go straight for your throat, when in reality you just want it fixed.
Other ultimates, like incap and dawnbreaker also don't seem to care about CC immunity. I love getting dizzying swinged, picking myself up, then taking a dawnbreaker to the face only to get knocked down again.

You have some other problem going on - Incap does not ignore CC immunity. I have used it hundreds of times after fearing someone while they still had the swirlies and no CC was given.

Sheezabeast

How about we DON"T nerf Meteor, because lots of us PVPers use Meteor in PVE in dungeons for ranged DPS.

Lieblingsjunge

How about you guys go back to reading the post- and do not comment - until you're certain you got the essence of the topic? As it stands, most of the comments in this thread are made from lazy people who does *not* read the entire first-post.

Meteor is good the way it is - when it works as intended

Bandit1215

This is a joke right? This ability is utter garbage in pvp because you can simply block for half a second and walk out of the dot, costs a cap ton of ultimate, and is the most telegraphed move in the game. How about you complain about something that ACTUALLY needs needing like Stamsorc as a whole or NB in cap strike only costing 50 ultimate, hitting almost as hard as DB, granting major defile, boosts damage against them, and stuns....

NordSwordnBoard

Boost Meteor! It needs to be Un-Nerfed!

It's currently not working as intended, I'm going to apply the wrong terminology in order to draw attention because I think it's bugged.

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

How about you guys go back to reading the post- and do not comment - until you're certain you got the essence of the topic? As it stands, most of the comments in this thread are made from lazy people who does *not* read the entire first-post.

Meteor is good the way it is - when it works as intended

The "essence" you claim people miss is a misuse of the term "nerf" for what you ultimately fail to suggest: a solution to the claimed problem.

TL;DR: Bait & switch people for "gotchas" ...yay

Lord-Otto

I think the knockdown being affected by lag is what screws it up. Remove knockdown, buff snare to original value. Better for PvP, better for PvE, IMO.

Eirella

How about you L2P

SolarCat02

I will admit I haven't run into this particular issue.

I have been hit by a lot of Meteors in PvP, although I will admit that all of them have been in Imperial City. I don't think anyone has used one against me in open world Cyrodiil, now that I think about it...

Is this an issue that only happens in Cyrodiil proper, with no issues in Imperial City? Or have I just been lucky?

WuffyCerulei

Not a cheap ultimate, though. And it's one of the few ultimates whose damage scales off magicka. I don't want magicka abilities and ultimates to be nerfed, cuz when they are nerfed, all magicka users suffer. What shouldn't have a knockdown is Dawnbreaker of Smiting. It's a cheaper ultimate and isn't class-bound (like Dragon Leap.) HOWEVER, the only class-bound ultimate that should be nerfed/fixed is Incapacitating Strike. That cheap of an Ulti shouldn't hurt THAT much AND stun you.

Mojmir

Lol