I doff my cap to all you clever people...

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borgking
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My first char was a nightblade dunmer and after seeing sorcerers running around solo and destroying groups easily..to my struggling.. I started a sorcerer char.
I noticed straight away the power difference between the two classes and thought I can rip through this game easily.
I've just got my sorcerer to lvl 50 and am now starting to struggle with big groups, especially in group dungeons whilst being solo.
My problem is I cant get to grips with all the finer details of skills/armour and weapons required to polish off my builds..no matter how many videos on utube i watch, I've realised my brain doesn't understand the mathematics and equations required to simply KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
Therefore I have resigned myself to simply play the game as good as I can without trying to aspire to the brilliance of many people here who make the game play look easy.

I salute all you clever b^^tard players.
  • Egonieser
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    And that is perfectly fine. People who do those things only do it for the bragging rights, attention or to fill some hole in their heart for (insert reason here) or to test builds/capabilities. There is absolutely no extra reward in it for soloing a dungeon except for the reasons aforementioned.

    However in PvP it's a completely different matter. But that is a entirely different animal/topic.
    Edited by Egonieser on November 18, 2016 5:09PM
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  • Lashiing
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    find a nice guild
    usually they walk you through things like that much better than just watching youtube and stressing yourself
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  • borgking
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    Egonieser wrote: »
    And that is perfectly fine. People who do those things only do it for the bragging rights, attention or to fill some hole in their heart for (insert reason here) or to test builds/capabilities. There is absolutely no extra reward in it for soloing a dungeon except for the reasons aforementioned.

    However in PvP it's a completely different matter. But that is a entirely different animal/topic.

    only problem is when it comes to joining groups for vet dungeons etc etc..the risk of getting kicked for not running viable builds..earlier on in wrothgar at the mad ogre site, i joined 5/6 ppl to defeat him and found that I was the only one who died 3/4 times in comparison to everyone else there.
    Times like this is when I get frustrated that something is wrong with my build and so I start to look further into builds only to find it simply get too complicated.
    I play any game for the fun of it and yet it peeves me off when I cant grasp the finer details...maybe I should stick to Mario...lol.
  • Tryxus
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    But no matter what Sorcs can do, NB will always be cooler :p
    Edited by Tryxus on November 18, 2016 5:29PM
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  • Valen_Byte
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    Experience is the best teacher. All those videos do more harm than good. People watch them, gear up their toon based on someone else's play style and then wonder why its not working for them. Well, its not working for you because its not "your" build. Its someone else's.

    Start with what feels right to you. Your playstyle is the most important factor when making a new build. For example, I am a really crappy healer because I cant stay back. I must be up in the fray of things. So I run heavy armor. Dont try to play like other people. Break the meta....be yourself. In time you will develope your own playstyle and build that works for you and no one else.
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  • pattyLtd
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    Play the game to the best of your abilities and have fun!
    Before you know it you'll be just as good as most of us and do t forget players that solo veteran dungeons are few and far between. Dont underestimate yourself all you need is playtime and experience ;)
    English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm
  • Nestor
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    borgking wrote: »
    Therefore I have resigned myself to simply play the game as good as I can without trying to aspire to the brilliance of many people here who make the game play look easy.

    As long as you are having fun, that is all that matters.

    As for Builds, there is no one best build. OK, mathematically, there is one best build out there. But, who cares about that other than those few battling for the top 10 spots of the leaderboards for a Solo Trial. Most of us just go for efficiency, in other words, can we kill the mobs in front of us without draining all of our resources.

    Having said all that, I do recommend you watch a few videos by Deltia as he does a great job of explaining how things work together in this game. Do you need to follow one of his builds? No. Would you want to incorporate and idea or two, or perhaps a skill combo that he talks about? Sure. But no need to copy cat.

    And, as for gear, I am going to give you a very easy to find set, most of it can be crafted, some can be farmed or bought in the guild stores.

    5 Piece Julianos
    2 Piece Torugs (or 3 Piece if you don't have the Molag Kena)
    3 Will Power (2 Rings and a Necklace)
    Molag Kena Shoulder or Helm (yes, you want Light Divines but I ran a Sturdy Medium CP130 for months on my Sorcerer)

    Make sure you have Magic Enchants on all the Armors. For the Jewelry, you want either Spell Power or Cost Reduction Glyphs, or a combo.

    You can also mix in some other combos for Torugs/Will Power and get close to the same Spell Power, but not have as much magic. Pick sets that give a 2 Piece Spell Damage, or Spell Damage with 3 Pieces. But you have some flexibility here. Anyway, are there better sets out there, sure, do you have to farm difficult content to get it? Yes, so you would need the above to get the better stuff anyway, so you might as well get it now and replace later if you can.

    Anyway, once you have the base set I describe above, it all comes down to your Skill rotations and what skills you use before others. For example, I slot Inner Light on my bar most times, then Power Surge which I bring up before any battle. From there I use two damage skills, other AoE or Single Target. My fifth skill is a shield of some type. Of course your rotation or skill choices are up to you as it comes do to, what makes sense to you. A careful approach to battle where you lay down Damage over Time AoE skills from a distance, or a YOLO run in with skills being spammed type of approach, or something in between.

    Anyway, I am not a power player by any stretch. But, on my sorcerer, in CP150 gear no less, and not with Optimal Traits, I pull 15K to 23K Single Target Sustained DPS, Burst 35K to 40K, and with large groups of mobs I can hit 60K DPS with just some judicious skill choices and no fancy math.

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  • borgking
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    Thanks for the replies guys...I've only been playing eso 3-4 months maybe I have been expecting too much too soon...

    I will persevere as I always do..I know my limitations and just have to accept there are ppl out there that I will never be on the same planet with in terms of gaming knowledge..then again I'm an old guy now and I have to realise I cant compete with todays youngsters
  • Dreyloch
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    It takes time OP. Some of those build videos do explain why they chose the gear and abilities they did. Usually it comes from understanding how the passives for the class your playing works. So gear is usually picked to enhance or make those passives happen with greater outcome.

    For instance. Playing a sorc means you get the passive "implosion". That passive alone works for a stamina build AND a magicka one. The only thing about the magic side is that you have to use lightning abilities to make it work. So what skills use lightning? What armor sets have a lightning proc?

    Basically it takes time to really get into those passives. Once you understand them, you can pick armor and skills to slot to make it all come together. This works for any class.
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  • Waffennacht
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    Outside of the great advice already posted. Remember these players (myself included) didn't just start recording lol. I personally know the dungeons inside and out (the ones I solo)

    We know when the boss telegraphs a certain attack, when to roll dodge, etc.

    It's not just the build, it's the mechanics too. And after trying enough times you'll get it down to a science :)
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  • borgking
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    Dreyloch wrote: »
    It takes time OP. Some of those build videos do explain why they chose the gear and abilities they did. Usually it comes from understanding how the passives for the class your playing works. So gear is usually picked to enhance or make those passives happen with greater outcome.

    For instance. Playing a sorc means you get the passive "implosion". That passive alone works for a stamina build AND a magicka one. The only thing about the magic side is that you have to use lightning abilities to make it work. So what skills use lightning? What armor sets have a lightning proc?

    Basically it takes time to really get into those passives. Once you understand them, you can pick armor and skills to slot to make it all come together. This works for any class.

    this is one of the problems i face..until now I whacked all points into magika...now I see people talking about stamina/magika builds which I presume requires points into the stamina section..yes I'm using lightning as my main skill
    TBH I dont expect people to come on this thread and start explaining the in's and out's of what I can and can't do...there are many threads already stating that.
    I will get through this game albeit with more difficulty than some people will..but I WILL get through it.
  • Delimber
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    borgking wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies guys...I've only been playing eso 3-4 months maybe I have been expecting too much too soon...

    I will persevere as I always do..I know my limitations and just have to accept there are ppl out there that I will never be on the same planet with in terms of gaming knowledge..then again I'm an old guy now and I have to realise I cant compete with todays youngsters

    Well at least you didn't have to wait 16 months to get an invite to the forums...

    When you're starting out its a lot of trial and error, shoot even now for my CP 600 toons there is a lot of that. Between the sets, the champion points, and skills there is a lot you can build for.

    I just think back to when I started playing in Aug 2015 and how terrible my builds and skill were. And like yourself I couldn't understand why I was taking so long to kill mobs and such. Even now I have a hard time figuring out some of the dps numbers I've seen in chat during dungeon runs lol

    But one day you'll be like "man normal Maelstrom Arena is hard", and then with a different build you'll be owning Vet Maelstrom Arena...not that I am lol
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  • Thelon
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    borgking wrote: »
    I'm an old guy now and I have to realise I cant compete with todays youngsters

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  • Nestor
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    borgking wrote: »

    this is one of the problems i face..until now I whacked all points into magika...now I see people talking about stamina/magika builds which I presume requires points into the stamina section..yes I'm using lightning as my main skill
    TBH I dont expect people to come on this thread and start explaining the in's and out's of what I can and can't do...there are many threads already stating that.
    I will get through this game albeit with more difficulty than some people will..but I WILL get through it.

    Currently, because the game has no Soft Caps, Hybrid Builds are not that viable. Hybrid meaning a mix of Stamina and Magic. They can be made to work, but it takes some serious Theory Crafting and knowledge of sets that boost this type of build. And, there are not too many of those sets anymore. A Stamina Sorcerer is kind of an Oxymoron in that you don't use all that many Sorcerer skills, and for me, if your casting, your using magic, call me a stickler for convention. However a Stam Sorcerer can be very powerful, but it is not an easy build to play.

    So, that means you go all in on either Magic or Stamina. Maybe put a little into Health, maybe. Make it easy on your self and build a Magic Sorcerer. Find gear that is mostly Light Armor and benefits or has bonuses for Magic. Once you get the hang of things, you can respec this character into Stamina if you want, and regear them.




    Edited by Nestor on November 18, 2016 8:27PM
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  • Waffennacht
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    Thelon wrote: »

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    @Thelon that gif is funny, especially to me, I seriously had to ask wtf a BAE was like 2 weeks ago.

    To OP: I don't know where you read about builds putting anything into both stam and magicka for PvE. For PvP some players use armors like Trainee to boost the non-main stat, though effective for PvP - highly not recommended for PvE (maybe for tanks?)

    I can only speak for DPS, PvE, Sorc, magicka. But you want As much Magicka, spell damage, and crit as possible. Health, stam, and even magicka regen to an extent are all secondary.

    The goal is to burn down mobs before you even need to think about sustain, for bosses Surge and Wards are all that are necessary for survival. Here knowledge of the dungeon helps a lot, placing down AoEs in correct spots, where adds spawn, where red circles appear helps your sustain, survivability and keeps you from wasting time and resources re-casting abilities.

    I know for a fact stam vs magicka is completely different while soloing. I can't beat Jack soloing on a stam build, but I also have 0 experience with stam PvE beyond leveling the skills themselves.
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  • AlnilamE
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    Delimber wrote: »
    I just think back to when I started playing in Aug 2015 and how terrible my builds and skill were. And like yourself I couldn't understand why I was taking so long to kill mobs and such. Even now I have a hard time figuring out some of the dps numbers I've seen in chat during dungeon runs lol

    If the parse is not for a single target boss fight, you may as well disregard it as it's not representative of actual DPS.

    Yeah, when I started playing I really didn't know much about builds. I was a hybrid-ish NB for the longest time, until I made my NB a syphoning DPS/Healer and I have not looked back.

    But more than the build, running dungeons and group content with guildies taught me how to be aware of my surroundings in a fight and stay out of stupid and react more quickly to unexpected things. I did that first, *then* I worked on the actual build.
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  • Vyle_Byte
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Make it easy on your self and build a Magic Sorcerer. Find gear that is mostly Light Armor and benefits or has bonuses for Magic. Once you get the hang of things, you can respec this character into Stamina if you want, and regear them.

    This right here is what I would suggest. I think, you would be better off getting to know the class before hopping into stamina. This way, when you switch over to stamina you know exactly what skills you like and are comfortable using, may make that transition to stam easier.

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  • Galwylin
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    I don't mess with math. I just try each ability and see if it works for me. I've read up on things but they didn't work the way described. Even skills I tried before and didn't care for, I'm finding their rhythm now. I don't consider myself top tier by any stretch of the imagination. I just look to see if I can do something and try to keep it out of my head that someone else might do it faster. Also, knowing someone can take another class so far doesn't mean you can. Maybe you really are a nightblade and a sorcerer is never going to work for you. Take away should be have fun. The rest comes with play.
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    @Thelon - why, it's a very successful British engineering company..... :p

    OP - I too can't always get my head around the details of different sets. As others have said its about having fun.

    And as console can't find out my dps even if I really wanted too. Altho' my son did tell me a way that involved a stop watch & killing the same thing over & over again when you know its health & then working out the average or whatever......but if I start to do that & really care, then it's time to put down the controller & step away out into the real world.
  • rotaugen454
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    I've been in since Beta and am still learning. I spend the vast majority of time solo. I can't commit to specific times or know when I might have to log off, so I've been slowly building up "best in slot" for various characters, and watching videos to know dungeon mechanics so I can solo group dungeons. If you have the time to join a guild and run with experienced people, you will learn much faster than trial and error. I've probably spent more time on ESO research the last couple of months than playing, but noticed my actual game time goes much better with the knowledge gained.
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