Question about crit numbers

xX_NachtJager_xx

I hear people saying they crit for 20k and I was just wondering what they are referring to. Is that their average or their light/heavy attacks? My rapid strikes hits for a total of 13K or so, steel tornado for 11-12K, and dawnbreaker for 17K on average. Those numbers just don't satisfy me. Are they ok, or do I need to tweak a little bit? I have 100 points in precise strikes, 15 in thermaturge, 20 in the one that increases physical damage, and 10 into the physical penetration one. I'm running 5 tbs, 5 toothrow/spriggan (experimenting) and two hundings until I get my slimecraw shoulders. I'm running two precise daggers btw. And I have the thief and shadow mundus. My stamina is 34000, crit % 85, and weapon damage is 3100.

Eweroun

they can be talking about crit of their weapon, a skill... but pretty sure it's not a average

fully buffed a crit of 20K is not that high if it's a heavy attack... i can say that ^^

Asardes

Putting 100 in precise strikes is a waste. The only place where you want that many is mighty, that increases all physical, poison and disease damage. Probably 30 or so in precise and 30 in thaumaturge is more than enough. Physical penetration is not an issue if you use spriggan and sharp weapon. Toothrow is a crap set, you are better off slotting camo hunter for the bonus and the extra 3% weapon damage from the class passive and going with Night Mother's Gaze for even more critical and penetration. Slimerclaw is another crap set. Healers use combat prayer and you might go for a good set like Kra'gh instead.

Dymence

I don't see the point of paying attention to the amount of crit damage you can do? High numbers doesn't mean high dps.

AzuraKin

1. swap precise out for sharpened, you will see a big difference in dps.

2. spriggan is solid choice, cannot say to if its best or not as i still trying to get a number of the new sets to play with, and yes i dont trust other peoples word cause i trust what i see not what others say.

3. i would as other poster say put 100 in mighty, then split the rest between crit boost and dot boost.

AzuraKin

Dymence wrote: »

I don't see the point of paying attention to the amount of crit damage you can do? High numbers doesn't mean high dps.

the key to doing best dps is finding the right balance between raw and refined damage to create the best RMS value.

emily3989

I know when my ambush cries it is about 40k. Love when it happens on normal type mobs, they just disappear when I hit them.

Asardes

Actually spriggan might be overkill for PVE since you will have major fracture from tank that already takes away 5.2K resistance. Night Mother's Gaze is a very good set even without the debuff, and that takes away another 2.6K. Kra'gh one piece bonus is another 1.9K. So total penetration amounts to 9.7K. Bosses have ~18K armor. They have the same mitigation cap as PC, means that they have 50%*18/33.5=27% without any debuffs. With the said debuffs is 50%*(18-9.7)*12.3%, so 14.7% extra damage from stacking penetration up to this point. The extra 4K penetration from Spriggan would only add 5.9% damage. It means penetration has diminishing returns, even for bosses. You might instread increase your critical chance, to increase night mother's gaze up time and your overall damage from the increased frequency of critical hits. A good combo would be 5 Night Mother's Gaze + 5 Leviathan + 2 Kra'gh.

Zerok

xX_NachtJager_xx wrote: »

I hear people saying they crit for 20k and I was just wondering what they are referring to. Is that their average or their light/heavy attacks? My rapid strikes hits for a total of 13K or so, steel tornado for 11-12K, and dawnbreaker for 17K on average. Those numbers just don't satisfy me. Are they ok, or do I need to tweak a little bit? I have 100 points in precise strikes, 15 in thermaturge, 20 in the one that increases physical damage, and 10 into the physical penetration one. I'm running 5 tbs, 5 toothrow/spriggan (experimenting) and two hundings until I get my slimecraw shoulders. I'm running two precise daggers btw. And I have the thief and shadow mundus. My stamina is 34000, crit % 85, and weapon damage is 3100.

Hum, you have way too much points into precise strikes.

At 85% crit, you should try something like this:
- 60 points in Mighty
- 35 points in Precise Strikes
- 30 points in Piercing
- 60 points in Thaumaturge
- 1 point in Melee Weapon Expert
- 1 point in Bow Expert

AzuraKin

hmm you say spriggan isnt good then you say leviathan is good? hmm i would say from a nb that can reach 100% crit if they wanted to, crit is good as long as its not taking away from other stats. example, 10% crit vs 5% extra damage, crit wins, 7% crit or 5200 penetration, penetration wins. why? because you have to look at the rms effect. rms of 5% extra damage vs 10% extra crit at base crit damage boost 50%, equals to 5% damage boost, hence crit wins once you get crit damage boost above 50% damage boost. on the other hand, i noticed a huge jump in numbers just putting 1 sharpened dagger on vs any other weapons, since this jump not only boosted noncrit damage and crit damage vs more crit only means crit more often, the rms factor meant that i get more effect from sharpened then precise. precise may be good for like an off heals/support set up, like healer dead gotta keep everyone alive cause you only one that can heal others till healer back up or something.

Naughty_Ryder

A normal crit for me using Merciless Resolve is 33.5K. A high crit of mine is pushing 39-40K. I easily rock 50-60K DPS on meters. With constant 14K Swallow Soul crits, 2 high ticking DoT's + the MR hits.

kylewwefan

Dymence wrote: »

I don't see the point of paying attention to the amount of crit damage you can do? High numbers doesn't mean high dps.

^^^
Listen to this guy. One attack number or tooltip is not your DPS. On console, no one seems to know this. Many think their 30k wrecking blow is dps. So they spam it.

OP, For your niteblade, surprise attack is still likely best hitting starting attack. Major fracture, major breach, sharpened weapons. You hit everything like they're naked. 100 into mighty. Put the rest wherever you see fit.

*Note there are jump points in precise strikes.

DRXHarbinger

Crits on what? My sup attack from stealth will crit for 45k on a skeever. Means nothing. People tell me thier poison injection hits for 37k per tick which I don't believe at all. That's triple tool tip. Impossible.

People talk a lot of shite about thier damage figures.

Asardes

Well, Leviathan actually allows you to drop some crit from other departments, ex run just one dagger and run an axe instead for the bleed damage. Or replace 2 medium with 1 heavy and 1 light to gain higher stats from untaunted passives and more resistance. Should be viable on a crafted set. For a melee DD the up to 6% more health (2% from heavy armor passive, 2% each from wearing 2 other types of armor) can amount to 1K which can help you avoid some one shots. It's not just about raw damage, but survivability as well.

AzuraKin

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

A normal crit for me using Merciless Resolve is 33.5K. A high crit of mine is pushing 39-40K. I easily rock 50-60K DPS on meters. With constant 14K Swallow Soul crits, 2 high ticking DoT's + the MR hits.

swallow soul? are you a tank? and only 14k crit? you what rocking 1500 spell power 35k magicka? and for stam, there couple options, and ill admit i am no expert on stamblades yet, still working on getting and testing various dps sets, but currently testing out tbs archers mind, while i master the skills to get a baseline, then will test other sets to see how they boost my dps from there, but from what i have tested right now, tbs + archers mind seems to be much more solid then anything involving leviathan. just saying.

elvenmad

xX_NachtJager_xx wrote: »

I hear people saying they crit for 20k and I was just wondering what they are referring to. Is that their average or their light/heavy attacks? My rapid strikes hits for a total of 13K or so, steel tornado for 11-12K, and dawnbreaker for 17K on average. Those numbers just don't satisfy me. Are they ok, or do I need to tweak a little bit? I have 100 points in precise strikes, 15 in thermaturge, 20 in the one that increases physical damage, and 10 into the physical penetration one. I'm running 5 tbs, 5 toothrow/spriggan (experimenting) and two hundings until I get my slimecraw shoulders. I'm running two precise daggers btw. And I have the thief and shadow mundus. My stamina is 34000, crit % 85, and weapon damage is 3100.

There is no such thing as generic gear sets, every encounter you have in game is entirelly situational, it depends what your doing, what your fighting and most important who your doing it with,

In group content you get a ton of passive buffs and procs from other players, most of which some people dont even know about, it like the current trend with Spriggan, if you run content with a good tank who keeps penetration debuff up and you have a team member wearing sets like Night Mothers Gaze, then your Spriggan gear is virtually useless, but if your solo grinding it would be OP

Every gear set in the game is good and could be the best in certain situations, if you do alot of group content this is were you need to understand what other classes bring to the table and be prepared to switch out your gear to take full advantage of not only your own skills but other buffs and procs you will receive from others.