ZOS, COMMENT ON THE VMA RNG! STOP IGNORING HUNDREDS OF THREADS FOR A YEAR!

LegendaryArcher

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn

Do I even need to comment on this? Just scroll through general discussion.

Will you ever introduce a solution to vMA drops to make it realistic to get the desired weapon?

People have suggested many options:

- Token System - either drop tokens or turn useless vMA weapons into tokens
- Droppable vMA enchants
- Make the weekly reward only drop in Sharpened (Precise for Resto staff), guaranteeing at least one useful weapon for the best 100 players once a week
- Buy vMA weapons at The Golden

Voxicity

They have already made progress (making the final chest a 100% maelstrom weapon drop)

But I agree they're still a long way off

Mic1007

Because answering any of them would make them admit that Sharpened is OP and everything else is trash.

Meld777

KaiVox22 wrote: »

They have already made progress (making the final chest a 100% maelstrom weapon drop)

But I agree they're still a long way off

Having a terrible digress first (vMA dropped only in Sharpened, Precise, Defending; and the leaderboard reward guaranteed a useful vMA weapon) doesn't justify calling a slight improvement to complete nonsense progress. It's still much, much, much worse than it was at launch. Even with the 2x drop. At least the weekly used to guarantee you a weapon with a good trait.

Nowadays, weeklies go straight to decon, same as the chest reward.

Junipus

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn

Do I even need to comment on this? Just scroll through general discussion.

Will you ever introduce a solution to vMA drops to make it realistic to get the desired weapon?

People have suggested many options:

- Token System - either drop tokens or turn useless vMA weapons into tokens
- Droppable vMA enchants
- Make the weekly reward only drop in Sharpened (Precise for Resto staff), guaranteeing at least one useful weapon for the best 100 players once a week
- Buy vMA weapons at The Golden

NO

Qbiken

"The more you cry the less you try"

Judgedread101071

The fact remains that the people who complain about vr MSA are a minority which leads to devs not giving a cr app adout us.
Further more the lack of any comment from their side makes me even ungrier than the stupid loot itself.
Bottom line is they'll never change anything unless the whole community overwealms the forum.And since this will never happen they"ll keep on ignoring us.

Preyfar

ZOS just needs to remove the Charged trait from the VMA rewards chest because it has zero effect on the weapons. VMA enchants proc every time you use a skill, so a trait that increases the chances of it proccing are ridiculous. All they need to do is remove that and VMA will be in a much better state.

Teridaxus

Do people seriously think that the current rng is not intended?
They need to keep us busy farming and this time there is no dlc in winter, so they gave us even more sets and bigger trait pool to bridge the next few months.

And since this is elder scrolls, they know we won't quiet despite complaining the whole time.

Rva_Kun

VMA weapons at Golden lmao. NUFF SAID. They already gave Kena's out to PvE scrubs who weren't good enough LUL

Alucardo

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

- Token System - either drop tokens or turn useless vMA weapons into tokens
- Droppable vMA enchants
- Make the weekly reward only drop in Sharpened (Precise for Resto staff), guaranteeing at least one useful weapon for the best 100 players once a week
- Buy vMA weapons at The Golden

First three points aren't bad. Token system, of course. Enchant you can buy with tokens so you can stick it on any crafted weapon would be cool, because let's be honest, the staves look hideous.
Having a BiS trait for being high up on the leaderboard sounds fair.
Not keen on it being purchasable through the Cyro vendor. Leave it in the content where it comes from.

Preyfar

Alucardo wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

- Token System - either drop tokens or turn useless vMA weapons into tokens
- Droppable vMA enchants
- Make the weekly reward only drop in Sharpened (Precise for Resto staff), guaranteeing at least one useful weapon for the best 100 players once a week
- Buy vMA weapons at The Golden

First three points aren't bad. Token system, of course. Enchant you can buy with tokens so you can stick it on any crafted weapon would be cool, because let's be honest, the staves look hideous.
Having a BiS trait for being high up on the leaderboard sounds fair.
Not keen on it being purchasable through the Cyro vendor. Leave it in the content where it comes from.

Token system just needs to work like Tel Var currency. Get 1 token per run, then when you have something like 10, buy a grab bag (VMA Dagger Reward) that has a random traited Dagger inside. Still RNG, but it ups the chances of getting the item you want.

steussy

I'm one who agrees with a change to the current way to get vma weapons. I don't have the time or frankly the inclination to run vma. Outide of my job, which leaves me little time to play, and since I am mostly in Cyrodill when I do play leaves me little hope in obtaining one. I am sure that there are plenty others out there who may be experiencing the same.

Meld777

Qbiken wrote: »

"The more you cry the less you try"

@Qbiken

You write that quote everywhere, but you never answer my question. You should really work at ZOS.

But to call you out directly, how many times do you think it is reasonable to run vMA to get your desired weapon before giving up?

100? 200? 400 (my case)? 500? 1000? More?

Waseem

the maelstrom arena is so boring to run over and over again!!!
we are humans, we get bored
and its SOLO
we go ALONE to that arena, how in earth will we enjoy ALONE in an MMO?????

Riga_Mortis

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Do people seriously think that the current rng is not intended?
They need to keep us busy farming and this time there is no dlc in winter, so they gave us even more sets and bigger trait pool to bridge the next few months.

And since this is elder scrolls, they know we won't quiet despite complaining the whole time.

This.

I wonder how many people would run vMA purely for fun once theyve gotten all the perfect weapons they need.
ZoS knows the RnG element keeps people running the content, dont think that'll change anytime soon.

lardvader

Maybe best feedback you can give is to stop doing vMA? Since they don't seem to care about the 5+ new threads on the subject every day this might be the best option(?)

Btw. don't think capital letters in the heading will make the difference....

Voxicity

Meld777 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

They have already made progress (making the final chest a 100% maelstrom weapon drop)

But I agree they're still a long way off

Having a terrible digress first (vMA dropped only in Sharpened, Precise, Defending; and the leaderboard reward guaranteed a useful vMA weapon) doesn't justify calling a slight improvement to complete nonsense progress. It's still much, much, much worse than it was at launch. Even with the 2x drop. At least the weekly used to guarantee you a weapon with a good trait.

Nowadays, weeklies go straight to decon, same as the chest reward.

Each of the systems have their pro's and con's. I'm getting better drops more consistently nowadays (without the 2X), whereas others may not.

Qbiken

Meld777 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

"The more you cry the less you try"

@Qbiken

You write that quote everywhere, but you never answer my question. You should really work at ZOS.

But to call you out directly, how many times do you think it is reasonable to run vMA to get your desired weapon before giving up?

100? 200? 400 (my case)? 500? 1000? More?

I write the quote everywhere since it´s true in a lot of cases. Since I can´t confirm how many vMSA runs you´ve done I must take your word for it that you´ve done 400 runs (which I do doubt btw). But to answer your question: I do think vMSA needs a token system. Nothing more, nothing less. How the token system is to be implemented I´m not sure of.

boom782

I think the token system is a great idea because it still requires people to be able to actually beat maelstrom to get the best weapons in the game. The RNG is absolutely horrible and has caused me to stop doing maelstrom after seeing people beat it 400+ times and still not receive a sharpened inferno staff.

Maybe give 1 token per competition, only on veteran, and another token on deconstruction of a maelstrom weapon. Then you can buy weapons for 100 tokens. Still requires a minimum of 50 competitions which is no joke.

Do NOT sell them at the golden. I love the idea that BiS items actually require you to be among the best to get. Many MMO's have gotten away from that but the horrible RNG discourages people from even trying.

Fignutz821

I love the fact that people reference the 400+ runs of people who still haven't gotten the right weapon! Everyone does realize that the drop rate didn't always used to be 100%, or 50% for that matter it used to be insanely low! I remember making 10 runs in a row with no weapon drop... contemplate that! Is the Rng bad yes, but at least now you're guaranteed a weapon now.

boom782

Fignutz821 wrote: »

I love the fact that people reference the 400+ runs of people who still haven't gotten the right weapon! Everyone does realize that the drop rate didn't always used to be 100%, or 50% for that matter it used to be insanely low! I remember making 10 runs in a row with no weapon drop... contemplate that! Is the Rng bad yes, but at least now you're guaranteed a weapon now.

But for those with only one main character, there is probably only one or two usable weapons. That is me.

I understand many people have as many as 4-8 characters and the chance of getting a usable drop is fairly high, but for a magsorc who can only use a sharpened inferno or lightning staff, it is very discouraging.

I have a guild mate who has done nothing but run vMA since the update hit and I think he has clocked another 50-60 runs in the past week with nothing useable.



P.S. Ha, I just looked at your signature. You probably have a 1 in 4 chance of getting something useable by one of your many characters! Not sure how you keep up with that many. That is a lot of work!

Apherius

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn

Do I even need to comment on this? Just scroll through general discussion.

Will you ever introduce a solution to vMA drops to make it realistic to get the desired weapon?

People have suggested many options:

- Token System - either drop tokens or turn useless vMA weapons into tokens
- Droppable vMA enchants
- Make the weekly reward only drop in Sharpened (Precise for Resto staff), guaranteeing at least one useful weapon for the best 100 players once a week
- Buy vMA weapons at The Golden

yeah , i agree , but you can forgot this idea .

Meld777

boom782 wrote: »

I think the token system is a great idea because it still requires people to be able to actually beat maelstrom to get the best weapons in the game. The RNG is absolutely horrible and has caused me to stop doing maelstrom after seeing people beat it 400+ times and still not receive a sharpened inferno staff.

Don't get me wrong. As someone who has completed it over 400 times (and steadily approaching 500), it's definitely terrible I don't have a Sharpened Inferno yet. However, I have gotten:

- 6 full stamina sets in Sharpened (Bow + Dagger + Axe)
- 6 Sharpened Ice Staffs
- 5 Sharpened Lightning Staffs
- Every single other weapon in Sharpened multiple times

The chance to end up in my position is (143/144)^400=6.2%

@Qbiken Then maybe there are better ways of phrasing to make ZOS consider it than "All people crying on the forums are lazy nuts. The end."

To add some "positivity" to it, though, our raid was world 3rd to complete vMoL HM. We have 8 DDs. 3 of them don't have their vMA weapons (all ran it hundreds of times since its launch). I can't say we feel "handicapped" when it comes to DPS. The only reason we've been 2nd place in vMoL PC EU for a while is that 1st place requires HM + no death with extremely low completion time. We're working on that. But if you give us vMA weapons, it won't change anything. Competition on this level is about perfect execution of mechanics while moving forward at maximum speed. And in a group of 12, most of the time there will be someone at some point who's gonna noob out.

Eleusian

Really from ZOS standpoint QQ threads mean the loot table is working as intended.

sirrmattus

100% weapon drop rate and people are still crying? wtf

Cryptical

They track the traits handed out, so they can easily see whether the current random system is providing a fun rewarding gaming experience to their customers.

Run a search of the database to determine exactly how many mael weapons exist. Take that number and divide it by the total number of weapons rewarded. The result will be the percentage of times the system gave a worthwhile reward for the customer's effort.

If you've kept 3 weapons from 30 runs, then 10% of the time your reward was worth the effort.

There would need to be a continued incentive, if they implemented a more rewarding drop system. Perhaps a buff for the character that lasts for quite a long time? No-death gets a title... How about doing it without any sigils grants a choice of a sigil buff for 36 hours? Or something else?

Armitas

sirrmattus wrote: »

100% weapon drop rate and people are still crying? wtf

The enchant cannot make up for a garbage trait. Without the right trait and weapon type it is vendor trash.

Armitas

I unsubed because of RNG and animation weaving bug, along with their refusal to comment on such a major issue.

Shad0wfire99

CAPITAL LETTERS!!!

Joy_Division

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn

Do I even need to comment on this? Just scroll through general discussion.

Will you ever introduce a solution to vMA drops to make it realistic to get the desired weapon?

People have suggested many options:

- Token System - either drop tokens or turn useless vMA weapons into tokens
- Droppable vMA enchants
- Make the weekly reward only drop in Sharpened (Precise for Resto staff), guaranteeing at least one useful weapon for the best 100 players once a week
- Buy vMA weapons at The Golden

I remember you quitting ESO and going to Black Desert Online because you thought BDO and it's loot system was the bees knees.

I'm pretty sure ZoS will listen to you this time around ...