Infallible Infinite Wizard (Magsorc Off-Balance Heavy Attack vMA & Trial Build) Summerset

Mister_DMC

Thank you sir, back to testing. Both healers and both tanks are running lighting wall now so in my mind all magic DPS should be running VMA inferno staves

glennsfono

I must be doing something unbelievably wrong here. I've copied your exact build, minus the vma staff due to needing a good vma build in order to clear vma to acquire said staff. However, despite copying your exact equipment, skills, and rotation, I'm getting 18k dps with the rotation going smoothly, 15k when missing hits and being clunky. How am I virtually mirroring your exact claim, yet at 50% your dps?

ccfeeling

Our build is almost same
I follow your back bar setting, changed from berserker to crushing, still testing

Bobby_V_Rockit

glennsfono wrote: »

I must be doing something unbelievably wrong here. I've copied your exact build, minus the vma staff due to needing a good vma build in order to clear vma to acquire said staff. However, despite copying your exact equipment, skills, and rotation, I'm getting 18k dps with the rotation going smoothly, 15k when missing hits and being clunky. How am I virtually mirroring your exact claim, yet at 50% your dps?

Thats what always happens when we casuals mimic hardcore folk. Animation cancelling is probably the gap here

glennsfono

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Thats what always happens when we casuals mimic hardcore folk. Animation cancelling is probably the gap here

Lol. That's what I wondered at first, but animation canceling only results in extra fast light attacks in between abilities. That's what it does.

So, all the extra light attacks in the world do not equal 20k dps, especially when you factor in mediocre animation canceling already being done. Lol. But what would a filthy casual know anyway?

Alite

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

glennsfono wrote: »

I must be doing something unbelievably wrong here. I've copied your exact build, minus the vma staff due to needing a good vma build in order to clear vma to acquire said staff. However, despite copying your exact equipment, skills, and rotation, I'm getting 18k dps with the rotation going smoothly, 15k when missing hits and being clunky. How am I virtually mirroring your exact claim, yet at 50% your dps?

Thats what always happens when we casuals mimic hardcore folk. Animation cancelling is probably the gap here

Lmfao it absolutely is not, you have no idea what you're talking about

Mister_DMC

It's a rotation issue, likely you're executing it too slowly and letting your dots run out. Just keep practicing and you'll slowly improve. People always fail to realize it takes a looooong time to master this game.

Jarryzzt

I've only just begun to test this particular build/gear setup, but my first few tries tonight I could barely push past 20k, and maybe half that vs. "live" opponents (dungeon bosses). To be sure, I was wearing purple armour/glyphs (but gold weapons), and my magicka only came out to 45k vs. 48k shown in the parses, so that probably means something. I'm also not using an "optimal" race, which is, let's say, 10% of DPS plus or minus, and my LA weave sometimes gets stuck due to an old controller. So let us suppose in a perfect situation I could push into the mid 20s or maybe even a bit higher...but that's not mid 30s by a lot.

I am having doubts that it is a rotation issue, in part as it is a very small and simple rotation with minimal weaving (comparatively speaking). The only big rotational issue I can think of is the timing of the trap, which needs to arm itself, and the crit damage boost. But the uptime should be high enough for that to be worth +/- a couple of thousand...I don't know. I need to test more.

One thing that stands out to me from the parses in the thread is that spell power is listed at ~2600 while mine - with that gear/glyphs and Mage - is at just under 2200 unbuffed. If that 2600 number is unbuffed then there's one big source of the difference right there, though I haven't a clue where 400 points would have disappeared into if I'm using the same weapons and nearly the same damage glyphs.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Alite wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

glennsfono wrote: »

I must be doing something unbelievably wrong here. I've copied your exact build, minus the vma staff due to needing a good vma build in order to clear vma to acquire said staff. However, despite copying your exact equipment, skills, and rotation, I'm getting 18k dps with the rotation going smoothly, 15k when missing hits and being clunky. How am I virtually mirroring your exact claim, yet at 50% your dps?

Thats what always happens when we casuals mimic hardcore folk. Animation cancelling is probably the gap here

Lmfao it absolutely is not, you have no idea what you're talking about

Actually I do probably should have said “light and heavy attack weaving” but its the same thing. Someone animation cancelling (weaving) will obviously get much higher DPS. Have you ever noticed how many people run BiS gear but barely 15k dps? I suspect you have no idea what you’re talking about.

glennsfono

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Actually I do probably should have said “light and heavy attack weaving” but its the same thing. Someone animation cancelling (weaving) will obviously get much higher DPS. Have you ever noticed how many people run BiS gear but barely 15k dps? I suspect you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The fact still stands that no amount if light attacks nor heavy attacks, even with their animations canceled, will give 20k+ dps from those attacks alone.

Bobby_V_Rockit

glennsfono wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Actually I do probably should have said “light and heavy attack weaving” but its the same thing. Someone animation cancelling (weaving) will obviously get much higher DPS. Have you ever noticed how many people run BiS gear but barely 15k dps? I suspect you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The fact still stands that no amount if light attacks nor heavy attacks, even with their animations canceled, will give 20k+ dps from those attacks alone.

True (unless 1 light attack Per Second does 20k, which it does not), so why is there such a disparity between Meta builds DPS?

SquareSausage

So does 5 piece aether actually inhibit off balance from happening?

thedude33

Will craft some of the new stuff and try it out. Was previously using Overload but think I will switch to something like this. Not sure about no heals though. I would probably drop the mage skill and add Matriach.

Masel

SquareSausage wrote: »

So does 5 piece aether actually inhibit off balance from happening?

Nope. Concussion and aether work just fine together.

anfmofo

Hey man, pleased you managed to post an update for latest patch. This build has been amazing since you first posted and I love that you keep updating it. To be fair all your guides are precise and i'm sure it takes loads of effort.

Looking forward to testing it out.

H3X0R

Did i miss it there is no cp allocation or mundas info? Also been using your builds and i love them.

Hostee

Nope i'm completely at a loss for CP allocation for this build as well as mundas stone....

SBC

Hostee wrote: »

Nope i'm completely at a loss for CP allocation for this build as well as mundas stone....

8 seconds into the video shows the allocation he used.

Bobby_V_Rockit

SBC wrote: »

Hostee wrote: »

Nope i'm completely at a loss for CP allocation for this build as well as mundas stone....

8 seconds into the video shows the allocation he used.

Video is outdated, 690cp and Infallible Aether armour. Does not match description in post

Hostee

I’m curious as to why you have vMA staff on the back bar ? If I understand the rotation correct you only light attack before each AoE and do the bulk of your staff damage with the mechanical acuity staff when you heavy attack. Sorry if my question is dumb but I’m still pretty new to the game. I did get my maelstrom lightning staff last night so I’m not completely hopeless lol

Masel

Hostee wrote: »

I’m curious as to why you have vMA staff on the back bar ? If I understand the rotation correct you only light attack before each AoE and do the bulk of your staff damage with the mechanical acuity staff when you heavy attack. Sorry if my question is dumb but I’m still pretty new to the game. I did get my maelstrom lightning staff last night so I’m not completely hopeless lol

The buff carries over to the other bar. You cast elemental blockade on the back bar and retain the buff when you go on the front bar where you attack. With a lightning staff it empowers every tick of the channeled staff attack by the flat amount, which makes it really strong.

Hostee

Masel92 wrote: »

Hostee wrote: »

I’m curious as to why you have vMA staff on the back bar ? If I understand the rotation correct you only light attack before each AoE and do the bulk of your staff damage with the mechanical acuity staff when you heavy attack. Sorry if my question is dumb but I’m still pretty new to the game. I did get my maelstrom lightning staff last night so I’m not completely hopeless lol

The buff carries over to the other bar. You cast elemental blockade on the back bar and retain the buff when you go on the front bar where you attack. With a lightning staff it empowers every tick of the channeled staff attack by the flat amount, which makes it really strong.

Oh okay that totally makes sense if the buff carries over to your main bar. Thank you for the explanation.

Hostee

One last question. What is the BiS gear for this build? I don’t think mechanical acuity and necro are the best but maybe I’m wrong?

Bobby_V_Rockit

Hostee wrote: »

One last question. What is the BiS gear for this build? I don’t think mechanical acuity and necro are the best but maybe I’m wrong?

Same question, how is Mechanical Acuity better than moondancer or infallible aether? Cheers

Hostee

Nobody knows what’s BiS for this build?

Bobby_V_Rockit

Hostee wrote: »

Nobody knows what’s BiS for this build?

Well at least in what capacity. It is nice having mevhanical avuity proc all of a sudden and ALL yor aoe (liquid lightning, blockade, curse etc) all do crit damage, but not sure how that compares to willpower a monster set and asylum staff over extended durationo

Masel

I will do testing for this build on Sunday and then update it based on what I find on the pts. Many things ate buggy there so it is not clear whether it'll stay the same until it hits live

Masel

Updated for Summerset PTS. Not a lo changed, but the build got more powerful because necropotence contributes to heavy attacks normally now, stacking magicka all the way > BiS for magsorc

Asardes

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...