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VO replacement?
KrewX
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So currently I dnt have the VO set or maelstrom weapons. I'm running robust agility jewelry 5 hundings 2lekis and 2 validreth/2kragh. So I'm thinking maybe I should do 3 viper jewelry, chest and legs, 2night mothers gaze swords/or daggers,hands,feet and belt. And my monster set validreth2 piece or kragh 2piece all divine. What do u guys think? This will be until I'm able to acquire maelstrom and VO jewelry and gear. This could be my pve/pvp gear to
Edited by KrewX on November 11, 2016 6:15PM 0
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭More details on your character please ... didn't list race, class, PvE/PvP, etc.0 -
KrewX✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »More details on your character please ... didn't list race, class, PvE/PvP, etc.
Ah im a redguard stam dk, im also going to make a stam sorc. Cp 425 atm.0 -
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✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »More details on your character please ... didn't list race, class, PvE/PvP, etc.
VO is in the headline. Are you really unsure on if he's asking for help in pve or pvp?3 -
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✭✭I had better luck using 5 night mothers gaze over hundings. My build when I finally beat vMA was 5 NMG 5 Spriggan and 2 Kragh1 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »More details on your character please ... didn't list race, class, PvE/PvP, etc.
VO is in the headline. Are you really unsure on if he's asking for help in pve or pvp?
Sorry about that, forum police ...2 -
LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭2x kragh 5x red mountain 5x tbs (easiest build to obtain by buying and crafting)
2x kragh 5x leviathan 5x red mountain
2x kragh 5x leviathan 5x hulking
2x kragh 5x leviathan 5x tbs
2x kragh 5x leviathan 5x NMG
2x kragh 5x leviathan 5x spriggan
Those are your best options without VO or msa weps.
You wanna wear leviathan + thief with almost any set to maintain a very high crit rate tbh. Especially as a redguard.Edited by LEGENDARYYY on November 11, 2016 8:19PMCP capped.
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✭✭Your current set up wil work just fine. I assume you won't be chasing high scores for now0 -
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✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »More details on your character please ... didn't list race, class, PvE/PvP, etc.
VO is in the headline. Are you really unsure on if he's asking for help in pve or pvp?
Sorry about that, forum police ...
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KrewX✭Yea @FLuFFyxMuFFiN I see that hundings is obsolete now compared to all these other sets. I was thinking about doing spriggan and nmg, but viper is just so good right now.0
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LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭Yea @FLuFFyxMuFFiN I see that hundings is obsolete now compared to all these other sets. I was thinking about doing spriggan and nmg, but viper is just so good right now.
Viper is terrible in pve compared to other sets. Its good in pvp but thats an entirely different scenario. Look at the builds I posted earlier. Anything else will put u far lower in dps.
I'll add a few more builds to that post now since u mentioned spriggan and nmg.Edited by LEGENDARYYY on November 11, 2016 6:35PMCP capped.
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Yea @FLuFFyxMuFFiN I see that hundings is obsolete now compared to all these other sets. I was thinking about doing spriggan and nmg, but viper is just so good right now.
Viper is terrible in pve compared to other sets. Its good in pvp but thats an entirely different scenario. Look at the builds I posted earlier. Anything else will put u far lower in dps.
I'll add a few more builds to that post now since u mentioned spriggan and nmg.
Viper is good in vMA, not so good in dungeons etc
If you are looking to replace the sustain given by vicious ophidian, marksman offers 8% cost reduction and 2 regen stats and comes in weapons and jewellery, mixed with viper and velidreth would be good enough to get through vma without sustain issuesPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
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kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NMG seems a little bit better than Hundings to me. I liked the TBS but couldn't make it work with monster helm and VO. VO and Viper worked good, but couldn't fit in monster set there either so I used 2 Hundings Daggers lying around.
Get yo butt over to stone falls and start farming like everyone else trying desperately to get the red mountain. Seeing good difference being able to use 2 x 5 piece sets and monster set.
I used NMG/Agility/Monster for long long time.
Getting the right weapons is gonna be a big problem with any of the drop sets, so try to work in crafted set.0 -
KrewX✭@LEGENDARYYY ic so viper nmg is more for pvp and vma im going to look into leviathan idk what that does. @kylewwefan isn't viper better than red mountain?0
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LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭SublimeSparo wrote: »LEGENDARYYY wrote: »Yea @FLuFFyxMuFFiN I see that hundings is obsolete now compared to all these other sets. I was thinking about doing spriggan and nmg, but viper is just so good right now.
Viper is terrible in pve compared to other sets. Its good in pvp but thats an entirely different scenario. Look at the builds I posted earlier. Anything else will put u far lower in dps.
I'll add a few more builds to that post now since u mentioned spriggan and nmg.
Viper is good in vMA, not so good in dungeons etc
If you are looking to replace the sustain given by vicious ophidian, marksman offers 8% cost reduction and 2 regen stats and comes in weapons and jewellery, mixed with viper and velidreth would be good enough to get through vma without sustain issues
I agree with your sustain build, having regen and reduction results in lower damage and thats when proc sets really help a lot (cause of no scaling). Viper probably works, but red mountain is superior to it by a large margin in almost every combat situation, thats why I won't agree on viper being a good set. It's rather average.Edited by LEGENDARYYY on November 11, 2016 8:00PMCP capped.
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LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭@LEGENDARYYY ic so viper nmg is more for pvp and vma im going to look into leviathan idk what that does. @kylewwefan isn't viper better than red mountain?
Viper > red mountain in pvp
Red mountain > viper in pve (average ~50% more dmg with meta rotations and much higher in dynamic combat)Edited by LEGENDARYYY on November 11, 2016 8:04PMCP capped.
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Number_51✭✭✭✭✭Can someone point this console pleb to a thread with hard numbers on Kra'gh vs. Veledreth vs. Valkyn Skoria etc.? As I said I'm on console so don't have addons/numbers to back it, but I tried Kra'gh (I think at your suggestion in another thread @LEGENDARYYY) and it felt like a pretty substantial DPS loss on my Imperial stam sorc. Maybe it's situational? Single target vs. multi-target, maybe it's my build, but all I know is that I can solo Craglorn anomalies with Skoria and not even get close with Kra'gh.0 -
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✭✭I'm also on PS4 so no idea of hard numbers. Viper seemed alright to me, but many say red mountain is better. IDK. Viper didn't seem terrible, just not great. Having fun time farming the mountain. Not.0 -
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✭✭Can someone point this console pleb to a thread with hard numbers on Kra'gh vs. Veledreth vs. Valkyn Skoria etc.? As I said I'm on console so don't have addons/numbers to back it, but I tried Kra'gh (I think at your suggestion in another thread @LEGENDARYYY) and it felt like a pretty substantial DPS loss on my Imperial stam sorc. Maybe it's situational? Single target vs. multi-target, maybe it's my build, but all I know is that I can solo Craglorn anomalies with Skoria and not even get close with Kra'gh.
Stam sorc - Stormfist in pve or Sellestrix. Krags tbh I don't rate at all. I just don't see the damage with it. Veli I love it. Love seeing it wipe something out for 25k+
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✭Khajiit agrees with the Harbinger about Stormfist. As a Stam Sorc you have a passive that buffs physical and shock damage, which is all Stormfist is. It procs (A LOT) and gives good damage numbers.
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LEGENDARYYY✭✭✭✭You can listen to me and pull 35k+ single target unbuffed without VO or msa weps , or you can listen to others and do lower with viper. Up to you in the end.
The fact that ppl dont see damage from kragh is mind boggling to me as I increased my vMSA score by 10k once I slotted it.
I do not have hard numbers but I have all stam gear in legendary, tested it all and I pull 40k single unbuffed on my stam sorc with kragh, red mountain and VO. I pull ~40k single unbuffed on my stam dk with kragh, leviathan and hulking aswell.
I'm also top30 (former top15) in vMSA on my stam sorc, which means I must be doing something right and have some clue in terms of builds right?
This is it for me in this thread. Good luck.Edited by LEGENDARYYY on November 12, 2016 11:48AMCP capped.
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭So currently I dnt have the VO set or maelstrom weapons. I'm running robust agility jewelry 5 hundings 2lekis and 2 validreth/2kragh. So I'm thinking maybe I should do 3 viper jewelry, chest and legs, 2night mothers gaze swords/or daggers,hands,feet and belt. And my monster set validreth2 piece or kragh 2piece all divine. What do u guys think? This will be until I'm able to acquire maelstrom and VO jewelry and gear. This could be my pve/pvp gear to
question also on which class?
me as nb with great dps withou any msa weapon
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after some tests I had around 35k dps with hunding and agility, then I changed this agility into viper and got 40k dpsEdited by Edziu on November 12, 2016 11:33AM0 -
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✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »More details on your character please ... didn't list race, class, PvE/PvP, etc.
VO is in the headline. Are you really unsure on if he's asking for help in pve or pvp?
Sorry about that, forum police ...
Apology not accepted
Then lets dance on red mountain :-)Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 12, 2016 12:04PM0 -
KrewX✭@LEGENDARYYY I'm runing kragh red mountain and nmg, I can't craft tbs yet. Also got viper for pvp and my dps is now through the roof!! U were right on redmountain being better for pve since it procs off of abilities1
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Edziu I like that build the viper with weapon enchant? And nmg would output more damage wouldn't it?
more exp friend told me nmg is better in dungs etc if nobody else have it because bonus from it dont stack, also if you are running solo, for example msa hundings is also better because you have instand dmg better on trash before reducings this armor
enchants for increase weapon and spell dmg by 350 for 5 sec and crushingEdited by Edziu on November 12, 2016 8:40PM0