Stating the obvious: The drop rate for Perfect Roe is ridculously low.

Bryanonymous

Compare this gold mat to the others, and unlike Alloy, Wax, Rosin, and Kuta, this stuff does not last. It's more comparable to Columbine as a commodity, however the effort to get it is incredibly time consuming with a much lower drop rate than other gold mats.

We all know ZoS only added this in so their crown store XP scrolls would not be considered P2W, but could their agenda in discouraging Roe farming be any more obvious? Seriously, at the rate they are consumed, they should have a much higher drop rate compared to other gold mats, or at least a comparable rate to the time it takes to farm the necessary raws to get one.

Please, all you expert fisherman, tell us how long it takes you to farm 200 raw ore vs how long it takes you to farm enough fish for 1 Perfect Roe. I'm very interested in hearing about the time difference.

AtAfternoon

Bryanonymous wrote: »

We all know ZoS only added this in so their crown store XP pots would not be considered P2W, but could their agenda in discouraging Roe farming be any more obvious?

Didn't psijic ambrosia exist before the crown store? Or did they change the drop chance after the introduction of the crown store? I genuinely don't remember.

Bryanonymous

AtAfternoon wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

We all know ZoS only added this in so their crown store XP pots would not be considered P2W, but could their agenda in discouraging Roe farming be any more obvious?

Didn't psijic ambrosia exist before the crown store? Or did they change the drop chance after the introduction of the crown store? I genuinely don't remember.

They were added at around the same time I believe. There was a provisioning revamp, and also news about the crown store with the subscription b2p change. Seems the two were likely planned at the same time.

method__01

about 1 every 300-400 fishes iirc

Elsonso

Back when I cared, it was running about 0.8% drop rate.

As it competes directly with the Crown Scrolls, and as marketing probably wants more Crown Scrolls sold, who knows what the drop rate is now. Maybe they dropped it, maybe they left it the same.

jedtb16_ESO

method__01 wrote: »

about 1 every 300-400 fishes iirc

generally get 1 to 60-70 fish

RedReaver

After nearly 10k fish I would estimate the drop rate is around 1 in 100. Now just because I say 1 in 100 doesn't mean I've never gone 500 fish without a roe nor have I never gone 500 metal without an alloy. I do believe they are similar in drop rate.
I would have to say fishing feels more profitable than farming raw materials, the only issue is it's slightly harder to sell perfect roe as quickly as alloys.
Farming materials in Craglorn might be better than fishing but since other farmers slow you down it can be less reliable plus you may find mostly wood/cloth of less value.
I would at the very least say they are definitely comparable and the drop rate isn't that bad since it takes very little effort to fish and 100 fish doesn't take very long to get.

KochDerDamonen

Perfect Roe makes, ehm, Psijic Ambrosia(an xp buff, at best good for grinding new characters/champion points) and a couple odd food recipes which are situational at best and not worthwhile in general. A real luxury

I don't think I need to explain gold upgrade materials.

Carbonised

So many myths regarding RNG and refining. It just nevers ceases to surprise me.

Roe ratio is more like 1 out of 50-70. That's what the research tells, and also my own experiece filleting thousands of thousands of fish.

Last batch of fish I filleted netted me around 9 roes. That's 36 Ambrosia, each selling for 3.7k right now. I don't really think that's too little by far.

Exp is pretty useless as it is. There's an easy to reach CP cap, there's constantly a festival like Witches, New Year's etc. So if you're too lazy to fish your own roes, suck it up and pay for the Ambrosia. They're really cheap. Couple of thousand gold each is nothing, compared to the cost of everything else, just look at potions.

And roe isn't used in "a couple of recipes" like someone said, it has exactly 2 uses. Ambrosia, or Orzoga's Bear Haunch food recipe. Considering the costs of roe, the recipe is pretty much useless, as there are plenty of food recipes that are a lot cheaper, and have similar effects. Just look at the new ones from witches festival and New Year's.

Alucardo

It's weird. I can get 1 roe in my first 25 fish, but after that it's 1 every 100, then 1 every 200. Eventually I stop getting them until I pack up and try again the next day which then yields the same results. It's almost like roe drop rates are in a controlled RNG environment.

jedtb16_ESO

Alucardo wrote: »

It's weird. I can get 1 roe in my first 25 fish, but after that it's 1 every 100, then 1 every 200. Eventually I stop getting them until I pack up and try again the next day which then yields the same results. It's almost like roe drop rates are in a controlled RNG environment.

my experiences tells me... stop at 210

Junipus

With the passives for improved chance of extracting materials from raw materials I can normally get around 1 gold temper in every 200 raw material.

After doing enough fishing to get all DC zones, Kenarthi's Roost, Grahtwood, Greenshade and all but 2 fish achievements I decided to fillet all my saved white fish. While I can't remember the exact number I believe it was somewhere around 4800 fish and got 56 perfect Roe. This works out to be about 1.2% which for something without passives isn't too bad, especially when considering the plethora of XP bonuses that have been around since Psijic Ambrosia was introduced.

method__01

so im either unlucky

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

method__01 wrote: »

about 1 every 300-400 fishes iirc

generally get 1 to 60-70 fish

hmm guess its random,tbh i gave up,i only fish when absolute nothing to do or with new toons

KochDerDamonen

Carbonised wrote: »

So many myths regarding RNG and refining. It just nevers ceases to surprise me.

Roe ratio is more like 1 out of 50-70. That's what the research tells, and also my own experiece filleting thousands of thousands of fish.

Last batch of fish I filleted netted me around 9 roes. That's 36 Ambrosia, each selling for 3.7k right now. I don't really think that's too little by far.

Exp is pretty useless as it is. There's an easy to reach CP cap, there's constantly a festival like Witches, New Year's etc. So if you're too lazy to fish your own roes, suck it up and pay for the Ambrosia. They're really cheap. Couple of thousand gold each is nothing, compared to the cost of everything else, just look at potions.

And roe isn't used in "a couple of recipes" like someone said, it has exactly 2 uses. Ambrosia, or Orzoga's Bear Haunch food recipe. Considering the costs of roe, the recipe is pretty much useless, as there are plenty of food recipes that are a lot cheaper, and have similar effects. Just look at the new ones from witches festival and New Year's.

I'd assumed that the new blood recipe took ambrosia cause it was gold, also basically useless and not worth the roe in most cases

NewBlacksmurf

Never seen one in real life. Ever. Not even on traders after the reduction that was said it wasn't a reduction

Iselin

Expect the demand to increase and sale of crown XP pots to go up now that everyone has gotten used to double XP for the past 3 weeks.

Where have we seen this kind of marketing before?

Elsonso

Iselin wrote: »

Expect the demand to increase and sale of crown XP pots to go up now that everyone has gotten used to double XP for the past 3 weeks.

Where have we seen this kind of marketing before?

Actually, I found it somewhat annoying. I was getting gear for new characters. My most recent character started at Level 4 and ended yesterday at Level 13 when I hit the 100 Skull mark for the character. This meant that I was never done getting current level gear because by the time I got that new pauldron, I needed new stuff in all the other slots.

outsideworld76

1500 fish, only 2 roe. Fishing is not worth the effort, but it's the only thing in the game that doesn't suffer from the lag.

Funkopotamus

I have had days when I received 2 roe out of 400 fish.. Then I have received 3 out of 60 fish so random is random.. The 2% drop rate is about right I think..

Folks we are not going to have a game for very long if ZOS are only allowed to sell used socks in the crown store..

code65536

@Preyfar can comment on how many ambrosia he was able to craft as a side effect of his push for Master Angler...

Darethran

I was getting around 1 perfect roe for every 60 fish, before the update.

Now, it's bang on 1 in 400 fish. It's a right pain in the arse.

Lord_Eomer

I agree, rate is ridiculous low.

bottleofsyrup

It's supposed to be rare.

Carbonised

Roe droprate is still ~ 1.5 % despite some people having bad RNG. Still these faulty claims. Half of you have no idea about what you're stating, yet have the audacity to do so anyway.

I guess your bad luck is countered by my last fishing episode of about 350 fish that ended up with 8 roes.

1.5 % is 1.5 % and roe drop rate is actually perfectly fine, so don't go about trying to make it look like it's atrociously low when it isn't.

Prof_Bawbag

I've gutted over 900 fish and haven't had a single one, so nope, the drop rate isn't "perfectly fine" for everyone. On the xbox it felt like i got one every 200 fish, on the PS4 I don't even waste my time fishing any more. It's been farcical. I'd rather spend my time watching paint dry than waste another second of my life doing a very mundane task in a game with zero reward. I was more likely to achieve the title master angler before even getting a roe. That's how bad it was.

Carbonised

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I've gutted over 900 fish and haven't had a single one, so nope, the drop rate isn't "perfectly fine" for everyone. On the xbox it felt like i got one every 200 fish, on the PS4 I don't even waste my time fishing any more. It's been farcical. I'd rather spend my time watching paint dry than waste another second of my life doing a very mundane task in a game with zero reward.

Either you're lying or just having bad rng. Either way you're providing no evidence for your claim. I have fished extensively for about a year in game. I have gotten all fishing achievements in the game (including all DLC) cept AD areas. I have probably caught about 10k fish in total as a rough estimate. And my RNG goes up and down, but still I get plenty of roes on a consistent basis. That's my proof. Yours is just a statement. And yes, even if you did get 0 roes from a bunch of 900 fish that's still very much within the realms of possibility with a 1.5 % drop. RNG is RNG.

Prof_Bawbag

Carbonised wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I've gutted over 900 fish and haven't had a single one, so nope, the drop rate isn't "perfectly fine" for everyone. On the xbox it felt like i got one every 200 fish, on the PS4 I don't even waste my time fishing any more. It's been farcical. I'd rather spend my time watching paint dry than waste another second of my life doing a very mundane task in a game with zero reward.

Either you're lying or just having bad rng. Either way you're providing no evidence for your claim. I have fished extensively for about a year in game. I have gotten all fishing achievements in the game (including all DLC) cept AD areas. I have probably caught about 10k fish in total as a rough estimate. And my RNG goes up and down, but still I get plenty of roes on a consistent basis. That's my proof. Yours is just a statement. And yes, even if you did get 0 roes from a bunch of 900 fish that's still very much within the realms of possibility with a 1.5 % drop. RNG is RNG.

Why would i lie about something in-game? What have i possibly got to gain out of lying about fishing in a game? That's a hilarious statement. I'm not here to convince you of the authenticity of my statement, I merely typed it to give my experience. If that's not good enough for you, let my comment pass you by.

Edit: If it would make you feel better, I can give to my 900-odd fish, but I don't have any roe to give you.

Bryanonymous

Just want to point out that my complaint was not over the fact that a gold mat is rare, but just how rare it is vs the time you get when consuming it. Think about it... 1 roe can make 4 xp pots which last 2 hours combined. Ok. So you consume them, then they are gone within hours. Meanwhile, when you use the other gold mats, the armor lasts potentially a lifetime, or until the cap is raised. Considering something lasts almost infinitely longer, should not the time to get it be much longer as well? And this complaint is more over the roe itself... where is our gold recipe that actually matters? Xp and some other regen for gold are pretty lame. It just feels like golden provisioning needs more.

SickDuck

Roe is pretty sure around 1%. That's not that bad at all. If you do the Master Angler you will get a lifetime supply easily. Apart from that roe and ambrosia both very cheap -in fact the potion costs less than the money you make during a half hour grind.

agegarton

Perfect Roe is well documented as roughly 1:100 - you might get lucky as see more like 1:80 - but of course, you might unlucky and not see one for a very, very long time. That's how the RNG works in this game. It's not per player or account, but by source.

The real issue isn't the drop rate, actually. It's the fact that fishing is extremely dull as a mini game, and it takes too long. There's no CP to speed it up, no passive to heighten the reward.

Like most crafting skill lines in the game, it's just been kind of left to languish. It won't be long before ESO is just about grinding dungeons or a repetitive PVP game.

Junipus

agegarton wrote: »

Perfect Roe is well documented as roughly 1:100 - you might get lucky as see more like 1:80 - but of course, you might unlucky and not see one for a very, very long time. That's how the RNG works in this game. It's not per player or account, but by source.

The real issue isn't the drop rate, actually. It's the fact that fishing is extremely dull as a mini game, and it takes too long. There's no CP to speed it up, no passive to heighten the reward.

Like most crafting skill lines in the game, it's just been kind of left to languish. It won't be long before ESO is just about grinding dungeons or a repetitive PVP game.

What do you mean "won't be long"....?

Fishing used to have no perfect Roe and would only happen if you chased the Master Angler achievement, one of the most unconnected achievements in game. They added Roe so people would fish more and to help lift it's profile among the myriad of things to do but then reduced the drop rate once they introduced more XP pots and scrolls into the Crown Store so they could claim that there was nothing P2W since you could craft the same items in game. It's the same reason they introduced the new recipe, cipher and dust.

Fishing might be dull compared to raiding or PvP, but it's meant to be. Fishing in real life normally doesn't involve the staged melodramatics on Discovery Channel and fishing in game is normally a nice and relaxing way of unwinding after PvP rage or vMA rage.