Maelstrom weapon traits, My-Interpretation of「Smart loot」

MaxwellC

Please @Wrobel make a smart system for the loot like who in the world uses a powered maelstrom maul or a charged maelstrom maul. Powered increases your healing done which isn't exactly useful for a 2H I mean maybe a sword if you wanted to theory craft with blood thirst but especially a charged maul like it's already a 100% chance to occur why have it charged?!
I was so excited when I saw the maul but then I get ZOS'd when I see the bloody trait
@ZOS_GinaBruno

SublimeSparo

My powered maul is awesome, makes those rally burst healz OP man, it so awesome i literally only use this offensive weapon for healing on my back bar.
Obviously working as intended.
And my entire collection of vMA weapons that i possess in charged are, well, just *** amazing for collecting dust

Nifty2g

that isn't what smart loot means

MaxwellC

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

Nifty2g

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

Banana

No idea loot would be a better name for it.

Haquor

Nifty2g wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

He is a player. Collectively that is who decides what trait is more usefull.

Are you arguing that a powered maul is an effective weapon trait compared to sharpened/precise or even nirn? That would be for some very random build that in no way justifies even an even distributiom of powered 2h weapons in the loot table.

I mean seriously. You dont have to be a genius to determine that some weapon type/trait combinations are pure garbage. Get off that high horse.

SublimeSparo

Lets be honest;
Offensive weapons should only drop in Sharpened, Precise, Nirnhoned
Resto in Powered, Precise, Defending
Tanking... well they should just remove the s&b if you ask me, or put it in the 8th round chest

And it would still take many runs to get what you need even reduced to those

Nifty2g

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

He is a player. Collectively that is who decides what trait is more usefull.

Are you arguing that a powered maul is an effective weapon trait compared to sharpened/precise or even nirn? That would be for some very random build that in no way justifies even an even distributiom of powered 2h weapons in the loot table.

I mean seriously. You dont have to be a genius to determine that some weapon type/trait combinations are pure garbage. Get off that high horse.

Lol don't bring that customer knows right attitude to an MMO that will get you nowhere as opinions of other customers will outweigh your argument

I am arguing that a powered maul will serve its use somewhere, more healing afterall which can be useful in PvP with some odd build which I can almost guarantee you some people are doing. There are far more people in the ESO population than what you think are either settling for a trait and making a build around it, or are going for a unique build. So how about you get off your high horse

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Lets be honest;
Offensive weapons should only drop in Sharpened, Precise, Nirnhoned
Resto in Powered, Precise, Defending
Tanking... well they should just remove the s&b if you ask me, or put it in the 8th round chest

And it would still take many runs to get what you need even reduced to those

I for one like Decisive and Infused on my offensive and defensive weapons. I also like Defending on them too, I have also used Powered

Can you guess my role?

Open your eyes instead of trying to pigeonhole everything to benefit yourselves

Haquor

Nifty2g wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

He is a player. Collectively that is who decides what trait is more usefull.

Are you arguing that a powered maul is an effective weapon trait compared to sharpened/precise or even nirn? That would be for some very random build that in no way justifies even an even distributiom of powered 2h weapons in the loot table.

I mean seriously. You dont have to be a genius to determine that some weapon type/trait combinations are pure garbage. Get off that high horse.

Lol don't bring that customer knows right attitude to an MMO that will get you nowhere as opinions of other customers will outweigh your argument

I am arguing that a powered maul will serve its use somewhere, more healing afterall which can be useful in PvP with some odd build which I can almost guarantee you some people are doing. There are far more people in the ESO population than what you think are either settling for a trait and making a build around it, or are going for a unique build. So how about you get off your high horse

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Lets be honest;
Offensive weapons should only drop in Sharpened, Precise, Nirnhoned
Resto in Powered, Precise, Defending
Tanking... well they should just remove the s&b if you ask me, or put it in the 8th round chest

And it would still take many runs to get what you need even reduced to those

I for one like Decisive and Infused on my offensive and defensive weapons. I also like Defending on them too, I have also used Powered

Can you guess my role?

Open your eyes instead of trying to pigeonhole everything to benefit yourselves

Good one. So the tiny percentage of people who want to use a powered maul in pvp (ample im sure!) should have an equal chance of recieving that to the detriment of the vast majority that want sharpened? Ok now i understand.

The first three words of the second part of your post says all you need to. 'I for one'.

Juhasow

Token system is the only reasonable way to make this work correctly. For exampleYou get 1 token for each completed vMA and You can exchange 30-50 tokens for any weapon You want with any trait, so You can still drop maelstorm weapons from last chest but if You'll not succed lot of times to get one You dream off then You'll be rewarded for hard trying. For now it's really frustrating and daunting to go on vMA and count only on blind luck

Vildebill

Just give us the token system already so we can choose ourselves.

Wait, what did I just say...

Nifty2g

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

He is a player. Collectively that is who decides what trait is more usefull.

Are you arguing that a powered maul is an effective weapon trait compared to sharpened/precise or even nirn? That would be for some very random build that in no way justifies even an even distributiom of powered 2h weapons in the loot table.

I mean seriously. You dont have to be a genius to determine that some weapon type/trait combinations are pure garbage. Get off that high horse.

Lol don't bring that customer knows right attitude to an MMO that will get you nowhere as opinions of other customers will outweigh your argument

I am arguing that a powered maul will serve its use somewhere, more healing afterall which can be useful in PvP with some odd build which I can almost guarantee you some people are doing. There are far more people in the ESO population than what you think are either settling for a trait and making a build around it, or are going for a unique build. So how about you get off your high horse

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Lets be honest;
Offensive weapons should only drop in Sharpened, Precise, Nirnhoned
Resto in Powered, Precise, Defending
Tanking... well they should just remove the s&b if you ask me, or put it in the 8th round chest

And it would still take many runs to get what you need even reduced to those

I for one like Decisive and Infused on my offensive and defensive weapons. I also like Defending on them too, I have also used Powered

Can you guess my role?

Open your eyes instead of trying to pigeonhole everything to benefit yourselves

Good one. So the tiny percentage of people who want to use a powered maul in pvp (ample im sure!) should have an equal chance of recieving that to the detriment of the vast majority that want sharpened? Ok now i understand.

The first three words of the second part of your post says all you need to. 'I for one'.

Healers use either (on restoration and destruction): infused, powered, defending - precise not often needed
Tanks use either: infused, powered, defending

Small population, you're right!

DRXHarbinger

Nifty you must be trolling bro. You're starting to sound indoctrinated. Powered maul has a use lol. 7% on that rally. 70 extra health on a 1k heal.

Sunburnt_Penguin

Nifty2g wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

He is a player. Collectively that is who decides what trait is more usefull.

Are you arguing that a powered maul is an effective weapon trait compared to sharpened/precise or even nirn? That would be for some very random build that in no way justifies even an even distributiom of powered 2h weapons in the loot table.

I mean seriously. You dont have to be a genius to determine that some weapon type/trait combinations are pure garbage. Get off that high horse.

Lol don't bring that customer knows right attitude to an MMO that will get you nowhere as opinions of other customers will outweigh your argument

I am arguing that a powered maul will serve its use somewhere, more healing afterall which can be useful in PvP with some odd build which I can almost guarantee you some people are doing. There are far more people in the ESO population than what you think are either settling for a trait and making a build around it, or are going for a unique build. So how about you get off your high horse

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Lets be honest;
Offensive weapons should only drop in Sharpened, Precise, Nirnhoned
Resto in Powered, Precise, Defending
Tanking... well they should just remove the s&b if you ask me, or put it in the 8th round chest

And it would still take many runs to get what you need even reduced to those

I for one like Decisive and Infused on my offensive and defensive weapons. I also like Defending on them too, I have also used Powered

Can you guess my role?

Open your eyes instead of trying to pigeonhole everything to benefit yourselves

Good one. So the tiny percentage of people who want to use a powered maul in pvp (ample im sure!) should have an equal chance of recieving that to the detriment of the vast majority that want sharpened? Ok now i understand.

The first three words of the second part of your post says all you need to. 'I for one'.

Healers use either (on restoration and destruction): infused, powered, defending - precise not often needed
Tanks use either: infused, powered, defending

Small population, you're right!

He/she was specifically referring to powered maul...

Dubhliam

Whether some trait is useful or not is not the question here.

If every weapon and armor always dropped with useful traits, this game would become a ghost town quickly.
This is an MMO. Loot tables have to be diluted to make for a lasting game experience.

If all drops had good traits, the only way to expand on the longevity of the game would be to reduce the drop rate from 100% to 50% or lower.
In my opinion, it is better to have a powered maul than no maul at all.

Your logic is self centered, and you are missing out on the big picture.
It is a clear example of people not being careful what they wish for.

And FFS stop saying Smart Loot, there is no such thing.

Alucardo

I don't mind powered because I use 2h as a buff bar, but charged does seem pretty redundant on a Maelstrom weapon.

Judgedread101071

It IS smart!!
You never get what you need so they keep you in the game grinding hehehehe.

Haquor

Nifty2g wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

He is a player. Collectively that is who decides what trait is more usefull.

Are you arguing that a powered maul is an effective weapon trait compared to sharpened/precise or even nirn? That would be for some very random build that in no way justifies even an even distributiom of powered 2h weapons in the loot table.

I mean seriously. You dont have to be a genius to determine that some weapon type/trait combinations are pure garbage. Get off that high horse.

Lol don't bring that customer knows right attitude to an MMO that will get you nowhere as opinions of other customers will outweigh your argument

I am arguing that a powered maul will serve its use somewhere, more healing afterall which can be useful in PvP with some odd build which I can almost guarantee you some people are doing. There are far more people in the ESO population than what you think are either settling for a trait and making a build around it, or are going for a unique build. So how about you get off your high horse

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Lets be honest;
Offensive weapons should only drop in Sharpened, Precise, Nirnhoned
Resto in Powered, Precise, Defending
Tanking... well they should just remove the s&b if you ask me, or put it in the 8th round chest

And it would still take many runs to get what you need even reduced to those

I for one like Decisive and Infused on my offensive and defensive weapons. I also like Defending on them too, I have also used Powered

Can you guess my role?

Open your eyes instead of trying to pigeonhole everything to benefit yourselves

Good one. So the tiny percentage of people who want to use a powered maul in pvp (ample im sure!) should have an equal chance of recieving that to the detriment of the vast majority that want sharpened? Ok now i understand.

The first three words of the second part of your post says all you need to. 'I for one'.

Healers use either (on restoration and destruction): infused, powered, defending - precise not often needed
Tanks use either: infused, powered, defending

Small population, you're right!

Healers do not use a powered 2h. I know it is complex... but this is the topic of the thread. Intelligent loot.

Haquor

Alucardo wrote: »

I don't mind powered because I use 2h as a buff bar, but charged does seem pretty redundant on a Maelstrom weapon.

Then craft it. Certain options should not be polluting the loot table. Period.

CultOfMMO

Nifty2g wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Nifty2g
I know what they meant by it, this is my interpretation of it mate so no need to come and explain what they meant by smart loot.

who are you to decide what trait is more useful than others?

trash tier player, top tier troll

MaxwellC

@Nifty2g
No need to get all angry about it, I can decide what I believe in my opinion is a useful trait; I highly doubt you use a powered maul in PvP as you so claim to do but rather you're making that claim. I'm tired of receiving the same to me non-useful offensive traits for a maul each and every week. Like I said before what is the purpose for a charged maul? Charged increases it's chances of occurring so why would you need it for something that has a 100% chance to occur?

You act like I can't have a opinion w/e man, I'd prefer you to leave this post if you wanna continue that type of voice.

Dymence

Alucardo wrote: »

I don't mind powered because I use 2h as a buff bar, but charged does seem pretty redundant on a Maelstrom weapon.

Pretty sure it doesn't work like that. Traits should function 'real time', meaning if you cast rally on your powered 2h (for example) and swap to a bar that doesn't have the powered trait, the healing from the HoT is not boosted. The burst heal does though, if you meant that specifically.

CPTRutt

In my opinion, they should remove charged from the traits that can drop on vma weapons. The enchant is already guarenteed to proc. Charged is the most useless trait you could possibly get. I do not mind getting defending, powered, nirn, or any of the other none sharpened traits. The table as is right now though adds longevity to vma. If we all got what we wanted of rip, then vma would be obsolete.

MaxwellC

@CPTRutt
Yeah I agree with you there, this thread is mainly do to how annoying getting what is my 10th maul with a trait that is not useful, I've received a ton of charged 2 powered, 1 infused, and 1 defending so far. Charged to me needs to be out right removed from the trait table of maul and powered as Drx pointed out the added bonuses is insignificant (70 points) but some attempt to argue otherwise.

jakeedmundson

i don't have a problem with the dilution of traits.... but traits like charged and powered have no business on these items... charged literally does NOTHING at all and powered is worthless for any item in this place.

let us choose which weapon TYPE we want at the end but keep the random trait drop. i've run this place multiple times and i've never seen ONE staff... and not a single sharpened item but i could at least keep trying for it if i could get the staff i'm looking for...

its been bow after bow after bow after shield after shield etc.... i have no use for that.

LordCoventry

Hi!

just sayin' i love vMSA, but the end chest loot seems sooo fixed.
done the trial many times for fun/ testing setup..
Lately i have been doing 20-30 round just for pure farming purposes, using daggers as a stam sorc.

I'm getting all sorts of weapons with good or bad traits, but not a single dagger/axe sharpened or even presise. Is it just me feeling like your getting everything else except what you/I need, or what your using while doing vMSA?

illuminati confirmed ^^