wtf, crown sale is over?

WalksonGraves

I checked every day on xbox and they were always full price, way to screw your players.

DahliaNight

@WalksonGraves It probably didn't happen on Xbox one yet?

Paulington

Xbox did not receive a Crown Sale this time around, however I think that's down to Microsoft and not ZOS.

Hopefully you guys get one soon!

MissBizz

Check the dev tracker. Earlier Gina made a comment that it wouldn't happen on Xbox, at least not at the same time.

ThePaleItalian

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I checked every day on xbox and they were always full price, way to screw your players.

That is based on Microsoft, not ZOS. Which sucks because I know it was very popular with PS4 players like myself.

vamp_emily

That is messed up, why does Microsoft have anything to do with what ZOS charges for their crowns?

Paulington

vamp_emily wrote: »

That is messed up, why does Microsoft have anything to do with what ZOS charges for their crowns?

Much for the same reason why Zenimax do not offer character transfers I would expect; contractual obligations.

I would expect that were it up to ZOS, they'd happily let you transfer from XB1/PS4 to PC or vice versa. The issue is that it's clearly not in Microsoft or Sony's interest for them to let you transfer away from their platforms because they earn a lot of money from Crown sales and such, letting you transfer away is lost revenue.

There's going to be a ton of law/contracts here that govern pricing of things. Even if ZOS want to have a sale, Microsoft may block it for one reason or another.

WalksonGraves

great no zombie horse for me

vamp_emily

Paulington wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

That is messed up, why does Microsoft have anything to do with what ZOS charges for their crowns?

Much for the same reason why Zenimax do not offer character transfers I would expect; contractual obligations.

I would expect that were it up to ZOS, they'd happily let you transfer from XB1/PS4 to PC or vice versa. The issue is that it's clearly not in Microsoft or Sony's interest for them to let you transfer away from their platforms because they earn a lot of money from Crown sales and such, letting you transfer away is lost revenue.

There's going to be a ton of law/contracts here that govern pricing of things. Even if ZOS want to have a sale, Microsoft may block it for one reason or another.

Wow, so Microsoft gets a percentage of money from the crown sells for using their platform?

So glad I did not buy a xbox.

WalksonGraves

vamp_emily wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

That is messed up, why does Microsoft have anything to do with what ZOS charges for their crowns?

Much for the same reason why Zenimax do not offer character transfers I would expect; contractual obligations.

I would expect that were it up to ZOS, they'd happily let you transfer from XB1/PS4 to PC or vice versa. The issue is that it's clearly not in Microsoft or Sony's interest for them to let you transfer away from their platforms because they earn a lot of money from Crown sales and such, letting you transfer away is lost revenue.

There's going to be a ton of law/contracts here that govern pricing of things. Even if ZOS want to have a sale, Microsoft may block it for one reason or another.

Wow, so Microsoft gets a percentage of money from the crown sells for using their platform?

So glad I did not buy a xbox.

You realize this game barely run on ps right?

ThePaleItalian

Paulington wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

That is messed up, why does Microsoft have anything to do with what ZOS charges for their crowns?

Much for the same reason why Zenimax do not offer character transfers I would expect; contractual obligations.

I would expect that were it up to ZOS, they'd happily let you transfer from XB1/PS4 to PC or vice versa. The issue is that it's clearly not in Microsoft or Sony's interest for them to let you transfer away from their platforms because they earn a lot of money from Crown sales and such, letting you transfer away is lost revenue.

There's going to be a ton of law/contracts here that govern pricing of things. Even if ZOS want to have a sale, Microsoft may block it for one reason or another.

Which sucks and this is true. I played on PC, even have the loyalty mount, costume and ice wraith pet, but I didnt transfer over to PS4 and now all of that is stuck on my PC account. It sucks, but I missed my chance, I hope one day they can open it back up. I would take it in a heart beat on my PS4 account.

CJohnson81

There was also a Fallout sale happening at this time on Xbox. Remember that Microsoft has to treat all publishers equally. Fallout had primo store real estate, front page splash, banner ad on the first screen of the dashboard, etc. They also have to allow other publishers to compete (plus the range of different publishers is good for Microsoft's store sales). Since Fallout was in whatever sale program Microsoft was offering, they likely couldn't also include ESO, or Doom, etc.

WalksonGraves

CJohnson81 wrote: »

There was also a Fallout sale happening at this time on Xbox. Remember that Microsoft has to treat all publishers equally. Fallout had primo store real estate, front page splash, banner ad on the first screen of the dashboard, etc. They also have to allow other publishers to compete (plus the range of different publishers is good for Microsoft's store sales). Since Fallout was in whatever sale program Microsoft was offering, they likely couldn't also include ESO, or Doom, etc.

That is not how things work. Plus I doubt anyone who wants fallout doesn't already have it. The rating was 9 at launch due to hype when the game was a 6. Not to mention both publishers you mention work for the same parent company.

jedtb16_ESO

CJohnson81 wrote: »

There was also a Fallout sale happening at this time on Xbox. Remember that Microsoft has to treat all publishers equally. Fallout had primo store real estate, front page splash, banner ad on the first screen of the dashboard, etc. They also have to allow other publishers to compete (plus the range of different publishers is good for Microsoft's store sales). Since Fallout was in whatever sale program Microsoft was offering, they likely couldn't also include ESO, or Doom, etc.

um... eso fallout and doom are all published by bethesda

Beardimus

Every previous tine this happened, the sale reached all platforms within a few weeks. Just stock up when it does

UrQuan

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

CJohnson81 wrote: »

There was also a Fallout sale happening at this time on Xbox. Remember that Microsoft has to treat all publishers equally. Fallout had primo store real estate, front page splash, banner ad on the first screen of the dashboard, etc. They also have to allow other publishers to compete (plus the range of different publishers is good for Microsoft's store sales). Since Fallout was in whatever sale program Microsoft was offering, they likely couldn't also include ESO, or Doom, etc.

um... eso fallout and doom are all published by bethesda

Which was exactly his point. If Fallout had a sale, and Microsoft wants to allow other publishers to compete they wouldn't want to allow other Bethesda-related games, like ESO or Doom, to go on sale as well because it wouldn't be fair to other publishers who want to do sales.

Prof_Bawbag

Paulington wrote: »

Xbox did not receive a Crown Sale this time around, however I think that's down to Microsoft and not ZOS.

Hopefully you guys get one soon!

What makes you say that? That you think it was down to MS and not ZoS?

jircris11

vamp_emily wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

That is messed up, why does Microsoft have anything to do with what ZOS charges for their crowns?

Much for the same reason why Zenimax do not offer character transfers I would expect; contractual obligations.

I would expect that were it up to ZOS, they'd happily let you transfer from XB1/PS4 to PC or vice versa. The issue is that it's clearly not in Microsoft or Sony's interest for them to let you transfer away from their platforms because they earn a lot of money from Crown sales and such, letting you transfer away is lost revenue.

There's going to be a ton of law/contracts here that govern pricing of things. Even if ZOS want to have a sale, Microsoft may block it for one reason or another.

Wow, so Microsoft gets a percentage of money from the crown sells for using their platform?

So glad I did not buy a xbox.

actually sony does th same, it is how they make their money off of the store.

Prof_Bawbag

Edit: I quoted the wrong post, so removed the quoted comment. Apologies.

alexkdd99

vamp_emily wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

That is messed up, why does Microsoft have anything to do with what ZOS charges for their crowns?

Much for the same reason why Zenimax do not offer character transfers I would expect; contractual obligations.

I would expect that were it up to ZOS, they'd happily let you transfer from XB1/PS4 to PC or vice versa. The issue is that it's clearly not in Microsoft or Sony's interest for them to let you transfer away from their platforms because they earn a lot of money from Crown sales and such, letting you transfer away is lost revenue.

There's going to be a ton of law/contracts here that govern pricing of things. Even if ZOS want to have a sale, Microsoft may block it for one reason or another.

Wow, so Microsoft gets a percentage of money from the crown sells for using their platform?

So glad I did not buy a xbox.

The same for ps4. Anytime a game is created and sold the platform owner gets a percentage of the sales for the game. Would only make sense for digital content to be the same.

CJohnson81

UrQuan wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

CJohnson81 wrote: »

There was also a Fallout sale happening at this time on Xbox. Remember that Microsoft has to treat all publishers equally. Fallout had primo store real estate, front page splash, banner ad on the first screen of the dashboard, etc. They also have to allow other publishers to compete (plus the range of different publishers is good for Microsoft's store sales). Since Fallout was in whatever sale program Microsoft was offering, they likely couldn't also include ESO, or Doom, etc.

um... eso fallout and doom are all published by bethesda

Which was exactly his point. If Fallout had a sale, and Microsoft wants to allow other publishers to compete they wouldn't want to allow other Bethesda-related games, like ESO or Doom, to go on sale as well because it wouldn't be fair to other publishers who want to do sales.

Thanks for the backup. That's exactly what I meant. In the digital retail space, sales teams are always vying for visibility. Microsoft has to manage that industry-wide. I wouldn't be surprised if the Fallout sale was locked in as a priority over ESO (because it's arguably a more successful franchise and brings more money to the MS store than just a crown sale). Check out the store now, they are advertising the trip contest. That's a much bigger driver to moving units than selling crowns to people who already have the game. We'll get our sale eventually, but it seems like the focus at xbox at the moment is getting new players.

KaleidoscopeEyz

Gina said it would be coming to all platforms. It's probably just behind.

NewBlacksmurf

Notice how everyone has pitch forks at Xbox.

Perhaps it's that ZOS didn't submit the request on time or just forgot.

Xbox does waaay more discounts for developers than PS4 digitally week over week.
Most of the time it's PS4 who misses out.

Prob not best to blame anyone unless we know or sure which we don't as that wasn't given in Gina's responses and you can't draw any logical conclusions from it because her first comment was that it's for all platforms. Then she never responded which is unusual. Days later she commented that's it's not for Xbox one....realize that exact same time Fallout 4 discounted the game and all dlc so it can be concluded that it's not that Xbox or Microsoft who doesn't allow discounts but perhaps some other situation that's unclear to us and maybe even ZOS.

CJohnson81

I agree. Purely specualtion on my part having worked in digital retail. Really my point was that it's not some great conspiracy to screw over ESO's xbox players. The lack of a sale can pretty easily be explained away by any circumstance under the "that's business" category - be it planned or a late submission, or any other mundane reason. Gina said we'd get one eventually - and at that point we can all comment on the QQ from PC and PS4 players that they don't have one.

Paulington

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Xbox did not receive a Crown Sale this time around, however I think that's down to Microsoft and not ZOS.

Hopefully you guys get one soon!

What makes you say that? That you think it was down to MS and not ZoS?

This @Prof_Bawbag:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We regret that we inadvertently announced that there would be a sale on Xbox for ESO. These promotions are always at the discretion of our partners, and not something that we directly control. When we have more information we can share, we will let you know.

Prof_Bawbag

Paulington wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Xbox did not receive a Crown Sale this time around, however I think that's down to Microsoft and not ZOS.

Hopefully you guys get one soon!

What makes you say that? That you think it was down to MS and not ZoS?

This @Prof_Bawbag:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We regret that we inadvertently announced that there would be a sale on Xbox for ESO. These promotions are always at the discretion of our partners, and not something that we directly control. When we have more information we can share, we will let you know.

That Could relate to Bethesda or even Zenimax. Find it hard to believe that a retailer would pass up the opportunity to make prices more attractive for their customers. After all, retailers are more in the habit of squeezing manufacturers for better and lower prices for both higher profit margins and a more attractive pricing. That comment could literally mean anything. Don't see why ZoS would even consider MS as a 'partner'. MS is a retailer and has nothing whatsoever to do with Bethesda etc.

The usual is happening in this thread, everyone attacking MS when they're in possession of no facts whatsoever. It's the same when people post their thoughts on why digital games on store fronts (LIVE and PSN) cost more than their brick and mortar equivalents. No one other than the publishers, Sony and MS are privy to that. As witnessed by the comment you posted yourself, even the devs aren't privy to that information.