ZoS TELL ME WHY THIS IS OK?

Rebornlogic · October 2016

why ZoS is it ok to have almost the whole pvp community running either mag DK , or Mag Sorc, running infinite dmg shields against all stam users.
is it fair ZoS, to be able to pop 20k dmg shields back to back with infinite magicka pool because of mutilple sets. dmg sheild really need to be nerfed ZoS. obviously its broken as hell thats why everyone you see running around dueling, and in cyrois running either a mag dk or mag sorc, poping dmg shields

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

Did.... Did I just go through a time warp? Nerf damage shields? Haven't they been through enough?

Rebornlogic · October 2016

oh and don't even try defending it on this post, because anyone that defends it obviously runs it. just want feedback from zos about this subject

Rebornlogic · October 2016

clap clap 20k shield up

Rebornlogic · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Did.... Did I just go through a time warp? Nerf damage shields? Haven't they been through enough?

im pretty sure they havnt , seen mag sorcs poping 25k+ with 45k magicka
1 sec to cast, bam 13k
1 sec to cast other bam 13 more

runagate · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Did.... Did I just go through a time warp? Nerf damage shields? Haven't they been through enough?

Yeah, it's an Order of the Hour skill. That's a stamina-based skill line, too. You can chain folks to the ground with gold glowing shackles, stop time, or take people back to 2014.

MasterSpatula · October 2016

Rebornlogic wrote: »

oh and don't even try defending it on this post, because anyone that defends it obviously runs it. just want feedback from zos about this subject

I would never even dream of trying to argue with anyone who thinks this is a valid argument.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

MajickDK is op what ?!

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

Each shield lasts 6 seconds. They will spend more magicka reapplying them so they don't take damage than they can expend trying to attack you. This really sounds like a L2P issue as there are ways you can get around this. Shield Breaker for instance. And there is a "star" you can put points into in the Champion System that will allow you to penetrate damage shields.

Rebornlogic · October 2016

dmg shields op

they need nerfed

Rebornlogic · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Each shield lasts 6 seconds. They will spend more magicka reapplying them so they don't take damage than they can expend trying to attack you. This really sounds like a L2P issue as there are ways you can get around this. Shield Breaker for instance. And there is a "star" you can put points into in the Champion System that will allow you to penetrate damage shields.

i do know how they work, i have a mag sorc and a stam sorc. i refuse to play my magicka sorc because the amount of dmg shields you can get. and with 45k max magicka pop vamp ulti, they almost die. pop shields 2 light attacks dead

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Rebornlogic wrote: »

why ZoS is it ok to have almost the whole pvp community running either mag DK , or Mag Sorc, running infinite dmg shields against all stam users.
is it fair ZoS, to be able to pop 20k dmg shields back to back with infinite magicka pool because of mutilple sets. dmg sheild really need to be nerfed ZoS. obviously its broken as hell thats why everyone you see running around dueling, and in cyrois running either a mag dk or mag sorc, poping dmg shields

Wait... Wait what? Infinite shields on a MagDK? How? O_O

Rebornlogic · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Rebornlogic wrote: »

why ZoS is it ok to have almost the whole pvp community running either mag DK , or Mag Sorc, running infinite dmg shields against all stam users.
is it fair ZoS, to be able to pop 20k dmg shields back to back with infinite magicka pool because of mutilple sets. dmg sheild really need to be nerfed ZoS. obviously its broken as hell thats why everyone you see running around dueling, and in cyrois running either a mag dk or mag sorc, poping dmg shields

Wait... Wait what? Infinite shields on a MagDK? How? O_O

its only 1 skill intead of 2, but the light armour skill morphed you can pop 10k with that one and has very fast animation

Osteos · October 2016

There is still a magicka dk out there?! This gives us hope!

runagate · October 2016

Osteos wrote: »

There is still a magicka dk out there?! This gives us hope!

I have one but it's a Soul Magic Phoenix/Vicious Death build for zergbusting.

Baconlad · October 2016

last i saw there were stam build running around everywhere...seems ur only bitching about the players you can't kill...like the ones who have build themselves to counter stam a proc-asaurus. now think about it...there are three main types of mitigation that zeni is pushing through to the different gears. outright mitigation via heavy armor/ impen/ blocking. dodging through medium armor passives/ stacking stamina/ shuffle. and bubble mitigation through harness magick/ healing ward. all classes/specs combine these main types of mitigation with healing save for mag sorc, who just pops more shields (and arguably NBs who can vanish).

i'll give you ONE guess as to which is the absolute most rediculous....figure it out? it comes as a 20+ second buff to dodge chance...shuffle and dodgerolling combination. you see, the problem is that no "bubble" skill gives me 20 seconds of 5k (roughly the damage of a light attack sustained in light armor) shield every couple of seconds refreshed. basically, i have no skill i can use that will outright ignore damage without me having to CAST a skill to ignore damage. stam gets if for one cast...for 20 seconds. my bubble equals about what 7-10k? (harness magick on a magplar) which gives me one animation cancel cycle of defense...thats HORRIBLE.

now i agree with dodge rolling, it a VERY reactive skill, you see an attack comming, you dodge roll/ block. and only stamina toons can reliably use it. in order for me a magplar to stand a chance in cyrodil, i HAVE to wear five heavy, i HAVE to put a sword and shield on, i HAVE to be a vampire for mistform, i cant use my bubble since it sucks compared to just eating damage and healing up. i havnt been able to wear light armor...(you know...the armor i as a mag user am supposed to use?) since around the orsinium patch. i mean don't get me wrong...i can throw on LA and hit like a mack truck...but i will not survive any stamina toon i come across.

the *** thing about this thread, is that stamina toons CAN stack weapon damage and stamina, ignoring magick completely, and be the most defensive thing on the field...and other than sorc? we're all left in the dust (and seriously...magsorc stacked for damage? does not do that great damage anywway...can't imagine if their defense were nerfed and they had to start fighting like templar/DK...no one would play them) the way mag classes in general should play is very similar to how sorcs play. but letting their MAGICK eat damage via DAMAGE SHIELDS!! like stamina toons rely on NOT getting hit at ALL by using STAMINA for dodgerolling and recasting shuffle!

so...instead of comming on here and bitching about mag players shielding up and not dieing...how about you show me an instance of one killing you...i for one believe that there needs to be a nerf to shuffle or removal. and there needs to be a lifting of the battlespirit debuff on damage shields, and a removal of the nerf to dodge rolling...

as far as healing? hell they should just take out battle spirit all together, reimplement the 1.5-1 health to mag/stam ratio, and nerf healing in PVE/PVP alltogether, i've run a few instances in PVE land recenly as a templar...and with one hand and sword, stacked blessed tree, major mending, and 1300 spell power/ 34k mag....i was pulling off 30k breath of life casts...that....is...dumb...my resto staff HoT was ticking for 4.5k a second....just dumb

Minalan · October 2016

Count to five after you see a Sorc shield, and then stun them with a KD. Use that short window to time burst. GG

Sorcs can only break two CC's.

Seriously, I know counting to five is really hard for the OP, but this thread is ridiculous.

GDOFWR420 · October 2016

Rebornlogic wrote: »

why ZoS is it ok to have almost the whole pvp community running either mag DK , or Mag Sorc, running infinite dmg shields against all stam users.
is it fair ZoS, to be able to pop 20k dmg shields back to back with infinite magicka pool because of mutilple sets. dmg sheild really need to be nerfed ZoS. obviously its broken as hell thats why everyone you see running around dueling, and in cyrois running either a mag dk or mag sorc, poping dmg shields

Now you know how magicka felt pre 1T

vyndral13preub18_ESO · October 2016

I agree. Nerf Shuffle.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

Lemme let you in on a secret, m'boy.

EVEN WHEN PVP WAS NEW, IT WASN'T BALLANCED. IT -CANT- BE BALLANCED. IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE BALLANCED, ALL BALLANCE CHANGES AND DESIGN MUST BE SOULY FOR COMPETATIVE PLAY. IT HAS NEVER BEEN, AND NEVER WILL BE, THIS WAY.

Now then. Quit complaining about it with that knowledge in mind.

Synfaer · October 2016

Give 2 naked PvP players a stick each and tell them to go at it....

Within 5 seconds one player will have a sharpened stick and the other will have two short dual wielded sharpened sticks

PvP will never be balanced.

thankyourat · October 2016

Lol I'm sure he was being sarcastic

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Synfaer wrote: »

Give 2 naked PvP players a stick each and tell them to go at it....

Within 5 seconds one player will have a sharpened stick and the other will have two short dual wielded sharpened sticks

PvP will never be balanced.

Lol, I love that example/scenario. It's so accurate and true.

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

Synfaer wrote: »

Give 2 naked PvP players a stick each and tell them to go at it....

Within 5 seconds one player will have a sharpened stick and the other will have two short dual wielded sharpened sticks

PvP will never be balanced.

Seems in this scenario the balance is created by the players. Both are given the same thing but use it in different ways.

strikeback1247 · October 2016

So people actually still play magdk and magsorc in PvP?

idk · October 2016

Rebornlogic wrote: »

oh and don't even try defending it on this post, because anyone that defends it obviously runs it. just want feedback from zos about this subject

When starting a thread on the forum one should expect discussion which would include differing opinions. The essential reason for the forums is discussion.

Zos has already responded to this subject and as such is unlikely to respond again. About 6 months ago Zos significantly reduced the time shields lasted. Their reasoning is they want players to choose between being more defensive or offensive in how they approached the game. The idea is the player needs to re-up the shield more often to keep the uptime and as such is not doing as much damage.

Further, there are defenses for stamina based characters such as shuffle, among other defenses, that faces the same type of criticism that you are bringing on shields.

There are means to counter most everything in this game, including shields. There is even a set bonus that is specifically designed to work against shields.

andreasranasen · October 2016

"Agree" if you're a Mag Sorc laughing at OP right now

ParaNostram · October 2016

I don't know if you've been actually paying attention OP, stamina is the meta, especially stam sorcs.

Enslaved · October 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Count to five after you see a Sorc shield, and then stun them with a KD. Use that short window to time burst. GG

Sorcs can only break two CC's.

Seriously, I know counting to five is really hard for the OP, but this thread is ridiculous.

Pretty much this. Fighting sorc/dk with shields has more to do with counting than anything else.

Mush55 · October 2016

Magic classes still pvp ????????????

Coatmagic · October 2016

Message to ZoS: Do whavever the bloody #3££ you want to PvP but quit screwing with PvE because of it!