I never asked to be apart of your group, don't punish me for it.

treytrey12 · October 2016

My rant is about the dungeon finder and the fact of being kicked from elitists groups for no apparent reason other then my lowly 30 champion rank.

It's dumb and the fact you have to wait fifteen minutes for the next queue makes you an even more hapless victim. I prefer group content and the atmosphere of dungeons, so I find myself chain running instances. Everything is scaled, so why do people act this way?

Vipstaakki · October 2016

treytrey12 wrote: »

My rant is about the dungeon finder and the fact of being kicked from elitists groups for no apparent reason other then my lowly 30 champion rank.

It's dumb and the fact you have to wait fifteen minutes for the next queue makes you an even more hapless victim. I prefer group content and the atmosphere of dungeons, so I find myself chain running instances. Everything is scaled, so why do people act this way?

People are mean. No other reason.

clocksstoppe · October 2016

Did you queue up for Craddle? Because you definitely don't belong there at 30CP.

WalksonGraves · October 2016

Vipstaakki wrote: »

treytrey12 wrote: »

My rant is about the dungeon finder and the fact of being kicked from elitists groups for no apparent reason other then my lowly 30 champion rank.

It's dumb and the fact you have to wait fifteen minutes for the next queue makes you an even more hapless victim. I prefer group content and the atmosphere of dungeons, so I find myself chain running instances. Everything is scaled, so why do people act this way?

People are mean. No other reason.

Or cp 30 is too low to beat the dungeon

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

Given the dungeons got buffed this patch, and resistances and health got raised, and you cannot possibly be using rubedite gear...I dont disagree with the choice to kick you.

Feelings aside, questing to get the CP isn't that hard or time consuming with the catch up mechanic. And until the scailing is fixed (Hopefully tomorrow, so we -can- actually stop being eliteist morons to do dungeons in reasonable ammounts of time) that's just the way it is.

treytrey12 · October 2016

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Did you queue up for Craddle? Because you definitely don't belong there at 30CP.

No, it was just CoH, I'm farming the Levi set from there.. This just killed my whole mood.

treytrey12 · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

treytrey12 wrote: »

My rant is about the dungeon finder and the fact of being kicked from elitists groups for no apparent reason other then my lowly 30 champion rank.

It's dumb and the fact you have to wait fifteen minutes for the next queue makes you an even more hapless victim. I prefer group content and the atmosphere of dungeons, so I find myself chain running instances. Everything is scaled, so why do people act this way?

People are mean. No other reason.

Or cp 30 is too low to beat the dungeon

It was CoH..

Erasure · October 2016

Veteran dungeons are scaled with the expectation of endgame gear, things like legendary cp160 weapons have more damage contribution than anything before them.

It's rude of them to instantly kick players, but perhaps you should train your character to be up to the challenge. Also, farming for gear before 160 is only going to grant you items that you'll outlevel later.

treytrey12 · October 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Given the dungeons got buffed this patch, and resistances and health got raised, and you cannot possibly be using rubedite gear...I dont disagree with the choice to kick you.

The difficulty of dungeons hasn't really changed, just some fights now drag on. Point being, it was a regular CoH run

clocksstoppe · October 2016

treytrey12 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Did you queue up for Craddle? Because you definitely don't belong there at 30CP.

No, it was just CoH, I'm farming the Levi set from there.. This just killed my whole mood.

They were just *** then.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

treytrey12 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Given the dungeons got buffed this patch, and resistances and health got raised, and you cannot possibly be using rubedite gear...I dont disagree with the choice to kick you.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Given the dungeons got buffed this patch, and resistances and health got raised, and you cannot possibly be using rubedite gear...I dont disagree with the choice to kick you.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Given the dungeons got buffed this patch, and resistances and health got raised, and you cannot possibly be using rubedite gear...I dont disagree with the choice to kick you.

The difficulty of dungeons hasn't really changed, just some fights now drag on. Point being, it was a regular CoH run

And until the scailing is fixed and hopefully the guys in dungeons get a resistance nerf, I dont really feel like running anyone below rubedite/rubedo/ancestor silk gear.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Drummerx04 · October 2016

I've grouped with enough bad players that I understand why they kicked you. I mean try doing vDirefrost keep when your other groupmates fail to break free or dodge the AOE. So they spend most of the fight dead or actually HEALING the boss! This is just too much stress for what should otherwise be a fairly relaxed albeit long fight.

Having said that, I'll usually give any player a chance. If you roll into my group at cp 30 and you are kicking ass, then you are welcome to stay.

Ankael07 · October 2016

Since youre cp30 doesnt that mean you will only get cp30 loot? That means you cant trade with them even if you get a piece they want so that must be the reason.

OrphanHelgen · October 2016

its not to be mean, by really, if you are a casual player, dont put time and effort in getting dps, are new to the game as well as very low cp, its a fact that you cannot clear veteran dungeon. Again, its not to be rude or anything, its just pure facts.

sigsergv · October 2016

treytrey12 wrote: »

My rant is about the dungeon finder and the fact of being kicked from elitists groups for no apparent reason other then my lowly 30 champion rank.

Sometimes group finder disbands just created groups, it's a known bug (I hope) and it has nothing to do with anyone CP level or something. It happens to me almost every day and it's really annoying.

It looks like this: screen message appears that group has formed and immediately appears message that PlayerName has disbanded it.

Phica_Lovic · October 2016

sigsergv wrote: »

treytrey12 wrote: »

My rant is about the dungeon finder and the fact of being kicked from elitists groups for no apparent reason other then my lowly 30 champion rank.

Sometimes group finder disbands just created groups, it's a known bug (I hope) and it has nothing to do with anyone CP level or something. It happens to me almost every day and it's really annoying.

It looks like this: screen message appears that group has formed and immediately appears message that PlayerName has disbanded it.

Known bug if you queue solo, and get a premade. (It happoens because a group of say 2-3 queue and pop as a single person, the solo queuer (you) gets kicked for being the "5th man")

/bug it

Phica_Lovic · October 2016

treytrey12 wrote: »

My rant is about the dungeon finder and the fact of being kicked from elitists groups for no apparent reason other then my lowly 30 champion rank.

It's dumb and the fact you have to wait fifteen minutes for the next queue makes you an even more hapless victim. I prefer group content and the atmosphere of dungeons, so I find myself chain running instances. Everything is scaled, so why do people act this way?

Like everyone else said, all of the veteran dungeons have been buffed (some pretty hard, some not so much). At CP30, I would recommend you DO NOT queue for a random veteran dungeon. I would recommend that you stick to the normal randoms for a little while longer. If you want to do pledges, they ARE able to be done on normal, with no bonus. Find a lowbie guild, or make friends.

I did the 3 pledges last night after reset and aside from my 561+ cp buddy and I, the other two were CP160 on the dot, and CP149. Even then, I was hesitant to take the CP149 because he couldn't even wear rubedite or end-level gear, let alone 160 stuff.

3rd point: No reason for a cp30 to farm anything. You WILL out-level it. Probably sooner than later.

That being said, I am sorry for your experience in all this. Stick it through, quest a bit more, and you will surely enjoy the game.

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Vaoh · October 2016

Here's some important advice you should really consider OP!
- ***If possible, Quest or Grind to CP160 first. You will then get all of your drops at max level and be much stronger/more accepted in groups. If not, your Leviathon set will be very underleveled when you do reach CP160 as well***
- Do not queue for Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, White Gold Tower, or Imperial City Prison. Those are the more difficult dungeons you aren't ready for! If in Cradle or Ruins, you will absolutely get kicked.
- Best to run dungeons on Normal in your situation. All Veteran really provides is purple jewelry and a shot at 2x Undaunted Keys

Hope it helps!

Davor · October 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not to be mean, by really, if you are a casual player, dont put time and effort in getting dps, are new to the game as well as very low cp, its a fact that you cannot clear veteran dungeon. Again, its not to be rude or anything, its just pure facts.

If that is the case then why not explain why you got booted out? Being booted out with no explanation is just RUDE.

Pepper8Jack · October 2016

There is simply no excuse for this behavior, regardless of dungeon.

Battle leveling was introduced for this reason. No, that does not mean a cp10 will be as effective as a cp 160 or cp 561 or what have you, but that does not mean they will be unable to complete the content at their rank.

I personally have run all of the DLC dungeons with people well under the cap plenty of times. The last time I ran vet CoS was with a 110 healer, a 210 dps, myself and 531 tank. Neither the healer nor the other dps had even run normal, so I had to explain the mechanics of every fight. We only wiped on velidreth, and after they had sufficient chance to learn the mechanics of the fight, we cleared it.

Point being, any sense of "you need to be cp ____" for any vet dungeon is either elitist nonsense or a complete and utter lack of competence that leads the individual to depend on their fellow 531s to clear the dungeon. I will never accept any argument that can essentially be boiled down to "they can't do it because they haven't done enough grinding."

WalksonGraves · October 2016

So your argument is math is overcome by the power of hope? Gl getting through a dps race mechanic with your scrappy band of misfits.

Davor · October 2016

You know what is funny? Almost all of us are geek and nerds here playing the game. Back in my time we would get picked on or worse, bullied because were not strong enough. And now in fake world, Nerds and Geeks are treating real life nerds and geeks like we use to be treated in school for not being strong enough.

How ironic. We are not good enough in the real word but then treat people EXACTLY the same in a fake world. How shameful.

ThePonzzz · October 2016

To piggyback off the OP, even when it's not about gear, just pledges. If an elitist gets the hint you've never done the dungeon (you do the story) or you don't know the ins or outs of the bosses, you get kicked. I've not done many gold pledges because I didn't do them right away. So now I'm behind the curve and have to find legitimately new groups or people accepting of a newbie to the dungeon. Even my PvE guilds have moved to the elitist mindset. "Looking for experienced 561 CP only!"

Edit to add: And I get it. I hate wasting time. I know they want to get in and out. But it just sucks. LFG finder needs a checkbox for newbies.

bellanca6561n · October 2016

The developers have never stopped trying to make ESO more and more multiplayer with various well considered schemes. None has been perfect of course...to understate things. ESO is not City of Heroes.

When they'd set the dungeon level to the lowest member of the party it felt as if everyone was recruiting one lower level player and then packing the rest with VR-Max players.

It was one and done. And being in the same guild didn't matter due to the nature of guilds in this game.

At least people would tell me why I was about to get kicked, along the hard game facts behind it. Usually an apology was included. Disappointing but easier to move on from.

The best you can hope for in life is a good apology.

You should have gotten one.

Just remember, though it can be difficult to do at times, that harsh experiences will always be disproportionately memorable, but not typical. There are many wonderful, full featured people playing this game.

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It's why I take so many screen shots. When you feel that nasty total body tingle after getting snubbed or dissed, it's good to have those pictures at hand

DivinityDay · October 2016

Just because you can Q for something doesn't mean you are geared for it. Farming for any piece below CP160 is absurd as your only concern should be what you get after CP160.

Anything with a Vet before is that, a Veteran instance and being below CP160 is not being a Veteran. Aside from that, yes ppl suck and mainly the "elite" ppl.

treytrey12 · October 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not to be mean, by really, if you are a casual player, dont put time and effort in getting dps, are new to the game as well as very low cp, its a fact that you cannot clear veteran dungeon. Again, its not to be rude or anything, its just pure facts.

"Casual" What does that even mean?

I play 2-3 hours every other day when I can, and sometimes through the weekend. That would make me a "part time" player of course that does not determine my skill in the game.

Unfortunately my career consumes most of my time in real life, the last thing I need in a video game is being judged before i'm even given a chance to show myself. I'm not a teenager like I was 7 years ago where I could play from sun up to sun down to have max CP, furthermore its worth mentioning that I have literally done many of the instances listed here without issue, this group in part was just a bunch of ***. In-fact, I just finished a veteran dungeon prior to making this comment.

Davor · October 2016

treytrey12 wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

its not to be mean, by really, if you are a casual player, dont put time and effort in getting dps, are new to the game as well as very low cp, its a fact that you cannot clear veteran dungeon. Again, its not to be rude or anything, its just pure facts.

"Casual" What does that even mean?

I play 2-3 hours every other day when I can, and sometimes through the weekend. That would make me a "part time" player of course that does not determine my skill in the game.

Unfortunately my career consumes most of my time in real life, the last thing I need in a video game is being judged before i'm even given a chance to show myself. I'm not a teenager like I was 7 years ago where I could play from sun up to sun down to have max CP, furthermore its worth mentioning that I have literally done many of the instances listed here without issue, this group in part was just a bunch of ***. In-fact, I just finished a veteran dungeon prior to making this comment.

Don't worry about it. They are trying to shame you for not being nerdy/geeky/dorky enough as they are. Quite sad isn't it we are not Nerdish enough to play with. Again, how pathetic can some people go and make excuses for it?

All it takes is "sorry we don't want to play with low level characters right now" and we can understand that. But nope, people need to make excuses. Sheesh.

Diminish · October 2016

I think many of you are missing the point of this thread. The point is, the OP was kicked, and then subsequently punished by ZoS (15 minute queue timer) for doing absolutely NOTHING wrong. The OP simply used in-game tools to try and play the game. ZoS needs to get off their asses and fix Activity Finder. I've complained about it, the OP has complained about it, and so have MANY others. You should not be penalized for being kicked or disbanded from a group. Period.

Slurg · October 2016

It was really rude of them to kick you without telling you why. Whether you deserved to be kicked or not is a different issue, but I agree with some others that your time would be better spent doing other non-group-dungeon content to get to CP 160. Then you can use the gear you will eventually get to farm in dungeon runs for a long time.

Also: If you prefer the dungeon atmosphere it shouldn't be too tedious to use the public dungeons to level. No one can kick you out of those.

Slurg · October 2016

Diminish wrote: »

I think many of you are missing the point of this thread. The point is, the OP was kicked, and then subsequently punished by ZoS (15 minute queue timer) for doing absolutely NOTHING wrong. The OP simply used in-game tools to try and play the game. ZoS needs to get off their asses and fix Activity Finder. I've complained about it, the OP has complained about it, and so have MANY others. You should not be penalized for being kicked or disbanded from a group. Period.

While all of this is true, I don't see ZOS even acknowledging there is a problem,
let alone telling us they are working on a fix for it. So all the OP can do at this point is to try not to be a victim of the group tool mechanics. It stinks but I don't see it getting changed faster than it would take for the OP to get to CP 160.