STAMINA DK TANK - Redguard vs Nord

MacCait

Hey guys. I have some questions for the experienced players out there, especially players who are experienced Dragonknight Tanks...

I am going to race change my DK for use as a STAMINA TANK, and am considering either Redguard or Nord. I've narrowed it down between Redguard and Nord, so I am not interested in other race choices such as the Imperial. Although the 12% bonus to health is nice, I feel the stamina regen of Redguards or the damage reduction and 9% Max health of Nords would be a better choice.

I mainly Nightblade in PvP, so this is really aimed at Trials tanking, though I might like to take it into PvP now and again for something different.

So my choice is coming down to the Adrenaline Passive of 3% stamina back every 5 seconds, 9% regen, and 10% Max Stamina on Redguards for great sustain vs the 6% Damage reduction, 6% Max Stamina, and 9% Max health on Nords.

I am questioning how effective (overal) is that Nord 6% damage reduction?

So my two questions are:

1. I know there are some great players who have done a lot of testing and maths regarding stats and damage. I am wondering if anyone has ever done any solid testing on the 6% damage reduction on Nords. Any links to relevant data/discussions etc would be awesome.

2. Which do you feel would be better for a DK Stamina Tank, Redguard or Nord?... and specifically why?

I would appreciate any insights you may have based on your experience.
Thanks

DarkLord

I know you are not interested, but as you are looking for a Trial Tank I say it anyway......Imperial.

Deanationables

Of those two I'd roll Redguard. Personally My Two Dragonknights ended up being: Bosmer(My Stamknight) and Argonian(Magicknight).

MacCait

DarkLord wrote: »

I know you are not interested, but as you are looking for a Trial Tank I say it anyway......Imperial.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Imperial, but have two already

UrbanMonk

OP Argonian Mag/Stam Tank.

AmberLaTerra

For a tank from those 2 options Nord hands down, the damage reduction is simply better then anything the redguard has to offer. As a tank HP and Damage mitigation are much more of a priority then stamina regain and max stam.

Though I would agree with @Darklord and say Imperial all the way. The extra HP and occasional heals from red diamond balance out the damage mitigation in the long run from my in game experience and Imperials do get a better stam bonus allowing you to build HP with less lost to max stam.

Edit: There is a reason I made my nord into a DPS from a tank, the Imperial just performs better. She was originally my first tank

kojou

I run a Nord and a Bosmer DK Tank. The Nord I use in situations when things are going to hit a lot harder and the Bosmer when resource management is more of an issue.

I like the combination of Nord and Eternal Yokeda, but that is just me.

xRIVALENx

Redguard solely for the Adrenaline Passive. That being said all my tanks are Khajiit and are quite efficient at maintaining resources regardless.


Never underestimate the power of the Khajiit

DarkLord

MacCait wrote: »

DarkLord wrote: »

I know you are not interested, but as you are looking for a Trial Tank I say it anyway......Imperial.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Imperial, but have two already

Lol ok then, I hope one of them is a Tank, because that's what Imperials were made for
His Race passive are mostly Tanking skills, it would be a waste using them for anything else.

karldavy149b16_ESO

MacCait wrote: »

Hey guys. I have some questions for the experienced players out there, especially players who are experienced Dragonknight Tanks...

I am going to race change my DK for use as a STAMINA TANK, and am considering either Redguard or Nord. I've narrowed it down between Redguard and Nord, so I am not interested in other race choices such as the Imperial. Although the 12% bonus to health is nice, I feel the stamina regen of Redguards or the damage reduction and 9% Max health of Nords would be a better choice.

I mainly Nightblade in PvP, so this is really aimed at Trials tanking, though I might like to take it into PvP now and again for something different.

So my choice is coming down to the Adrenaline Passive of 3% stamina back every 5 seconds, 9% regen, and 10% Max Stamina on Redguards for great sustain vs the 6% Damage reduction, 6% Max Stamina, and 9% Max health on Nords.

I am questioning how effective (overal) is that Nord 6% damage reduction?

So my two questions are:

1. I know there are some great players who have done a lot of testing and maths regarding stats and damage. I am wondering if anyone has ever done any solid testing on the 6% damage reduction on Nords. Any links to relevant data/discussions etc would be awesome.

2. Which do you feel would be better for a DK Stamina Tank, Redguard or Nord?... and specifically why?

I would appreciate any insights you may have based on your experience.
Thanks

i have a few dk tanks here are the races i use argonian redgaurd imperial breton with no real preference altho im totally loving my argonian cus that passive for potions is AWESOME and enables me to use looted pots instead of crafted tri pots

i run alot of perma block builds on all of my tanks ... so i always tend to go heavy into magika as constitution passive generates enough stam to maintain taunt but thats my style of play yours may differ

Asmael

For mitigation calculations, you can check this thjread out.

For short, this extra mitigation is multiplicative, thus the effects are actually extremely small for tanks, as they already have various mitigation tools. The Rugged passive is best on characters having poor base mitigation. I wouldn't expect more than 2% mitigation on an endgame build.

Redguard offers you the extra sustain thru melee attacks, which includes Heroic Slash & Puncture, so you'll get the bonus fairly often. However, tank DKs usually don't have much trouble sustaining their stamina, so...

None of those to would be my pick I'm probably biased because argonians look so sexy, but yeah, argonians would be my pick (or Imperial, but not cool looking enough). Most races work well for tanks.

MacCait

Thanks for the input so far guys...

It is definately between a Redguard or Nord though. So as I said, other races are not an option. I have all those including an Argonian.

It is also specificaly a STAMINA tank, not magicka based

karldavy149b16_ESO

MacCait wrote: »

Thanks for the input so far guys...

It is definately between a Redguard or Nord though. So as I said, other races are not an option. I have all those including an Argonian.

It is also specificaly a STAMINA tank, not magicka based

most stamina dk tanks i run trials with made the swap from stam to magika because of the sturdy trait ...

but yeah if your adamant in being stamina naturally redguard would be your better choice of your 2 prefered races .. cus lets face it if it really got to the point where that 5% mitigation is the difference between wiping or winning there are other issue not on the tank

my redgaurd dk also as the other option of going dps aswell which yeah great for solo play or other stuff where a tank isnt required like the last boss in vicp for example

Maotti

My tank is a Nord DK. And he does fine i think.

Caff32

Of the two choices, I'd go Nord. The stamina regen of the Redguard isn't a big deal since you'll be blocking so often anyway. The Nord passives provide more utility, IMO.

That said, I have an imperial and can tank anything.

MacCait

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Thanks for the input so far guys...

It is definately between a Redguard or Nord though. So as I said, other races are not an option. I have all those including an Argonian.

It is also specificaly a STAMINA tank, not magicka based

most stamina dk tanks i run trials with made the swap from stam to magika because of the sturdy trait ...

but yeah if your adamant in being stamina naturally redguard would be your better choice of your 2 prefered races .. cus lets face it if it really got to the point where that 5% mitigation is the difference between wiping or winning there are other issue not on the tank

my redgaurd dk also as the other option of going dps aswell which yeah great for solo play or other stuff where a tank isnt required like the last boss in vicp for example

Some good points thanks.

I didn't really understand why the Sturdy trait on gear (reduction cost to blocking) would in itself warrant a change to magicka...

Is Magicka tanking on DK preffered to Stamina tanking?

ssewallb14_ESO

I'd go Redguard for PvE tanking. You will have more sustain from Adrenaline rush and the Max Stam indirectly through helping hands. Both of these things work while blocking, and this will give you more resources to focus on utility. Min-Maxing mitigation stats isn't necessary for any content in this game, it's more about the group utility you can provide while still being able to pull mobs and hold aggro.

But as others have said race isn't as important for the tank role as it would be for a dps or healer, as long as your race contributes something it should be fine.

MacCait

Thanks for all the comments guys

MacCait

Asmael wrote: »

For mitigation calculations, you can check this thjread out.

For short, this extra mitigation is multiplicative, thus the effects are actually extremely small for tanks, as they already have various mitigation tools. The Rugged passive is best on characters having poor base mitigation. I wouldn't expect more than 2% mitigation on an endgame build.

Redguard offers you the extra sustain thru melee attacks, which includes Heroic Slash & Puncture, so you'll get the bonus fairly often. However, tank DKs usually don't have much trouble sustaining their stamina, so...

None of those to would be my pick I'm probably biased because argonians look so sexy, but yeah, argonians would be my pick (or Imperial, but not cool looking enough). Most races work well for tanks.

Great link. Thanks!!

Xsorus

If you're planning on doing any health regen build (which is actually viable this patch in my opinion) you'll want Nord or Orc

otherwise do Redguard