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Who is your favorite Divine/God/Goddess In Elder Scrolls.

Thevampirenight
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Pretty much choose which one is your favorite out of all of them.
Edited by Thevampirenight on September 23, 2016 8:48AM
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Who is your favorite Divine/God/Goddess In Elder Scrolls. 124 votes

Akatosh
11%
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Jyggalag/Sheogorath
35%
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Talos
7%
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Mara
4%
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Dibella
12%
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Arkay/Stendarr
5%
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Julianos
3%
YulsJulianosTheDominionjeedrzej 4 votes
Kynareth
6%
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Zenithar
1%
GilvothAsardes 2 votes
Lorkhan
11%
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  • Vipstaakki
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    Jyggalag/Sheogorath
    "Cheese!" - Sheogorath
  • Bryanonymous
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    Mara
    Queue song Venus...
    https://youtu.be/NkcU2_Vs7Xw
    "She's got it, she's got it... Yea baby, she's got it..."
    Edited by Bryanonymous on September 23, 2016 8:55AM
  • Thevampirenight
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    Talos
    Queue song Venus...

    "She's got it, she's got it... Yea baby, she's got it..."

    Dibella is the elder scrolls version of Venus lol. Mara is the goddess of marriage basically. But yeah :D.
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  • Carbonised
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    Arkay and Stendarr aren't the same Aedra

    And your poll has the 9 divines aka the Aedra, along with 1 Daedra and 1 dead Aedra/Daedra.

    Would make more sense to have the Aedra in 1 poll and the Daedra in another.
  • Thevampirenight
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Arkay and Stendarr aren't the same Aedra

    And your poll has the 9 divines aka the Aedra, along with 1 Daedra and 1 dead Aedra/Daedra.

    Would make more sense to have the Aedra in 1 poll and the Daedra in another.

    I know, yeah my bad, I know when I made the poll I put the two gods of Mortals together. But yeah I should have seperated them but it only gives ten options and I should have merged Lorhkan and Talos together since Talos mattles and replaces Lorhkan. I'm sorry. Also Jyggalag is more Aedric since he is order itself. Also Sheogorath could be considered a god after the events of Oblivion because the character of Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion basically Becomes Sheogorath. Basically a mortal mantling and replacing Sheogorath. So thats the reason why I added Jygalagg/Sheogorath to the poll.
    Also Lorhkan is the reason why Nirn Exists. He got his heart cut out for it and is also worshiped by men and hated by elves. So another reason I had to add him. Also No reason why not to Talos since he is the future Ninth Divine.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on September 23, 2016 9:18AM
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  • ZunaRoath
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    Kynareth
    Kyne, obviously <3

    Dark clouds gather in the sky above.~
    Kyne weeps for joy at the beauty of the world.~
    Tears warm the ground and blossoms grow.~
    The sacred stone reveals the flowers of her tears.~
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    Nari War-Shield - Magicka Templar Healer
    Hronvir Winter-Winds - Tank Warden
    Zuna Ice-Bear - Stamina DK
  • Bryanonymous
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    Mara
    Queue song Venus...

    "She's got it, she's got it... Yea baby, she's got it..."

    Dibella is the elder scrolls version of Venus lol. Mara is the goddess of marriage basically. But yeah :D.

    It's 50/50. Dibella is beauty, Mara is love. Venus is both. But IMO, Love > Beauty
    Edited by Bryanonymous on September 23, 2016 9:01AM
  • Zedrian
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    Akatosh
    Imperial scum!
  • bottleofsyrup
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    Meridia.
  • Mojmir
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    nocturnal
  • AlienSlof
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    Jyggalag/Sheogorath
    Cheeeeeeeeese, Gromit!
    RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend, my Shining Light. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.
  • Carbonised
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Arkay and Stendarr aren't the same Aedra

    And your poll has the 9 divines aka the Aedra, along with 1 Daedra and 1 dead Aedra/Daedra.

    Would make more sense to have the Aedra in 1 poll and the Daedra in another.

    I know, yeah my bad, I know when I made the poll I put the two gods of Mortals together. But yeah I should have seperated them but it only gives ten options and I should have merged Lorhkan and Talos together since Talos mattles and replaces Lorhkan. I'm sorry. Also Jyggalag is more Aedric since he is order itself. Also Sheogorath could be considered a god after the events of Oblivion because the character of Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion basically Becomes Sheogorath. Basically a mortal mantling and replacing Sheogorath. So thats the reason why I added Jygalagg/Sheogorath to the poll.
    Also Lorhkan is the reason why Nirn Exists. He got his heart cut out for it and is also worshiped by men and hated by elves. So another reason I had to add him. Also No reason why not to Talos since he is the future Ninth Divine.

    Mate, you really got it all mixed up and quite wrong ...

    Lorkhan and Talos are not the same, and Talos does not "replace" Lorkhan in any way. Lorkhan is a divine back from the creation of Nirn, Talos is a mortal who took on emperorship and through CHIM ascended into godhood as a new divine.

    No Sheogorath is not a 'divine' nor an Aedra. He is a Daedra, always have, always will. and no Jyggalag is not 'Aedric' in any way. You confuse Daedra = evil and Aedra = good, that is not the case (just look at Meridia and Azura). Jyggalag WAS a Daedra, and he was transformed into Sheogorath. It's obscure what happened to him after the Shivering Isles DLC, but nowehere is it hinted at that Jyggalag exists today as a Daedra or Aedra.

    Again, there are 8 Divines or Aedra, at least in our timeline. 9 with the ascendacy of Talos.
    The Daedra are also finite and clearly defined.

    It is not being 'good' or 'evil' that defines whether a divine is a Daedra or Aedra. Aedra participated in the creation of the Mundus as directed by Lorkhan, and thus lost a part of their divine powers which they fused into creation. Daedra on the other hand did not participate in creation, and are therefore able to influence man and mer and Mundus itself more directly than Aedra.

    The only time a divine has changed was the transformation of Trinimac into Malacath by Boethiah. Lorkhan's origin as Daedra/aedra is also obscure. The rest are pretty clear (although one can argue that the divine Talos is not an Aedra either, since he did not participate in the construction of the Mundus).
    Edited by Carbonised on September 23, 2016 10:44AM
  • Cinbri
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    Lorkhan
    Where is option "Dagoth Ur"
    P.S.: How many survived Lorkhan's Maw? ;)
    Edited by Cinbri on September 23, 2016 10:51AM
  • BalticBlues
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    My favorite, Meridia, is missing on the list.
  • Khenarthi
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    Different characters will worship different deities. Most of mine are devoted to Rajhin or Baan Dar.
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  • Tyrusaran
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Arkay and Stendarr aren't the same Aedra

    And your poll has the 9 divines aka the Aedra, along with 1 Daedra and 1 dead Aedra/Daedra.

    Would make more sense to have the Aedra in 1 poll and the Daedra in another.

    I know, yeah my bad, I know when I made the poll I put the two gods of Mortals together. But yeah I should have seperated them but it only gives ten options and I should have merged Lorhkan and Talos together since Talos mattles and replaces Lorhkan. I'm sorry. Also Jyggalag is more Aedric since he is order itself. Also Sheogorath could be considered a god after the events of Oblivion because the character of Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion basically Becomes Sheogorath. Basically a mortal mantling and replacing Sheogorath. So thats the reason why I added Jygalagg/Sheogorath to the poll.
    Also Lorhkan is the reason why Nirn Exists. He got his heart cut out for it and is also worshiped by men and hated by elves. So another reason I had to add him. Also No reason why not to Talos since he is the future Ninth Divine.

    You bloody well forgot Meridia -_-
  • subtlezeroub17_ESO
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    Meridia makes more sense than Sheogorath...since she is an actual Aedra that got kicked out.

    She and Azura are actually quite decent. Meridia only wants to wipe out evil on nirn and will go through extreme lengths to do so most likely so she can repent for what she did. She is kinda manipulative but she typically looks out for the greater good.

    Azura protects her followers fiercely. Azura has little interests on the affairs of mortals. Tbh, She doesn't necessarily have any particular demands from her followers either. Protect her artifacts and don't be jerks is pretty much it.

    Both realms, mortals are quite welcome...if you can get there. Only thing is in Azuras moonshadow realm, you might be blinded by its beauty.
    Edited by subtlezeroub17_ESO on September 23, 2016 11:12AM
  • Abeille
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    Hermaeus Mora.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Khenarthi
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    Meridia makes more sense than Sheogorath...since she is an actual Aedra that got kicked out.

    As far as I know Meridia (Merid-Nunda) is Magna Ge, not Aedra. The Aedra are the beings who gave up part of themselves to form Nirn, and became the earth bones. She, like Magnus, is a celestial being and kept her own power.
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  • Carbonised
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    The schism between Aedra and Daedra is also a reflection of the overall schism between Anu (stasis) and Padomay (change), Padomay being connected to and sometimes being another name for Sithis.

    If you think of the old D&D alignment axis, the dicotomy between Aedra/Anu and Daedra/Padomay is more in line with Chaos - Lawful than Evil - Good.

    Thus, we have gods with an Anuic basis that are aligned with order, creation and stasis (the Aedra), and on the other side we have the Padomaic gods aligned with chaos, destruction(=unmaking) and change (the Daedra, Sithis and possibly Lorkhan).
    Edited by Carbonised on September 23, 2016 11:27AM
  • Thevampirenight
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    The schism between Aedra and Daedra is also a reflection of the overall schism between Anu (stasis) and Padomay (change), Padomay being connected to and sometimes being another name for Sithis.

    If you think of the old D&D alignment axis, the dicotomy between Aedra/Anu and Daedra/Padomay is more in line with Chaos - Lawful than Evil - Good.

    Thus, we have gods with an Anuic basis that are aligned with order, creation and stasis (the Aedra), and on the other side we have the Padomaic gods aligned with chaos, destruction(=unmaking) and change (the Daedra, Sithis and possibly Lorkhan).

    Jyglagag, Meridia and Malacath Could be considered Anuic in Nature. Jyglagag Became Sheogorath by a curse placed on him. Malacath was Created by a curse as well and he was an aedra. Malacath, Meridia and Sheogorath Could be considered More Anuic aligned Daedric princes. Jyglagag Is Order which is basically Anuic and Not Padomiac.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on September 23, 2016 11:46AM
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  • Carbonised
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    The schism between Aedra and Daedra is also a reflection of the overall schism between Anu (stasis) and Padomay (change), Padomay being connected to and sometimes being another name for Sithis.

    If you think of the old D&D alignment axis, the dicotomy between Aedra/Anu and Daedra/Padomay is more in line with Chaos - Lawful than Evil - Good.

    Thus, we have gods with an Anuic basis that are aligned with order, creation and stasis (the Aedra), and on the other side we have the Padomaic gods aligned with chaos, destruction(=unmaking) and change (the Daedra, Sithis and possibly Lorkhan).

    Jyglagag, Meridia and Malacath Could be considered Anuic in Nature. Jyglagag Became Sheogorath by a curse placed on him. So basically Malacath, Meridia and Sheogorath Could be considered More Anuic Daedric princes and are possibly not considered True daedric princes among the other daedra. Because their orgins do not come from Padomay himself like the other princes.

    While the origins and mythos of Trinimac/Malacath, Meridia and Jyggalag/Sheogorath are indeed somewhat more obscured and dualistic than the other Daedric Princes, they have always been classified as Daedra and not Aedra. Ultimately Meridia was probably, as Khenarthi wrote, Magna-Ge in origin, who then turned Daedric. And as for the obscure mythos of Jyggalag and Trinimac, at least Sheogorath and Malacath are fully and wholly Daedric (and Pandomaic) in nature.
  • Asardes
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    Zenithar
    I like doing business in games so I picked Zenithar. I'm an avowed atheist in real life but I can't help but notice that most of the daedra and their followers are just as bad as religious fanatics we have among us. Worm Cult is some sort of Daesh :)
    Edited by Asardes on September 23, 2016 11:52AM
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  • Carbonised
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    Asardes wrote: »
    I like doing business in games so I picked Zenithar. I'm an avowed atheist in real life but I can't help but notice that most of the daedra and their followers are just as bad as religious fanatics we have among us. Worm Cult is some sort of Daesh :)

    That goes for both Daedra and Aedra.

    The followers of Akatosh, for instance the Order of the Hour, are pretty fanatical too.

    Some would say the followers of Talos are quite militaristic too (some would even consider them terrorists, others freedom fighters, see the Skyrim storyline)

    And you have the Alessian Order that were followers of the 8 divines, and were pretty much as the Catholic Inquisition back in the days.

    The Thalmor are also devout worshipers of Auri-El (=Akatosh) while being quite fanatical.

    That said, the influence of the Aedra on Nirn is generally more subtle and less direct that the Daedric influences, see the above explanation of the difference between Aedra and Daedra in the creation of the Mundus for this explanation.
  • DMuehlhausen
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    Jyggalag/Sheogorath
    In all honesty this isn't as much slanted to Uncle Sheo as I thought it would be.
  • captainwolfos
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    HAIL HIRCINE.

    HAIL SITHIS.
    Enemy of Boob Plates
    For the Covenant! For the High King!
    Solo Player | PVEer | Not caring about PVP since 1992
    Spill some blood for me, dear brother
  • Asardes
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    Zenithar
    Carbonised wrote: »
    Asardes wrote: »
    I like doing business in games so I picked Zenithar. I'm an avowed atheist in real life but I can't help but notice that most of the daedra and their followers are just as bad as religious fanatics we have among us. Worm Cult is some sort of Daesh :)

    That goes for both Daedra and Aedra.

    The followers of Akatosh, for instance the Order of the Hour, are pretty fanatical too.

    Some would say the followers of Talos are quite militaristic too (some would even consider them terrorists, others freedom fighters, see the Skyrim storyline)

    And you have the Alessian Order that were followers of the 8 divines, and were pretty much as the Catholic Inquisition back in the days.

    The Thalmor are also devout worshipers of Auri-El (=Akatosh) while being quite fanatical.

    That said, the influence of the Aedra on Nirn is generally more subtle and less direct that the Daedric influences, see the above explanation of the difference between Aedra and Daedra in the creation of the Mundus for this explanation.

    There's some difference between being strict and enforcing rules (ex. Thalmor), being racist (ex. Stormcloaks) subservient to an evil race (Dragon Cult) and wanting the world to end in fire and brimstone by daedric invasion (Mythic Dawn, Worm Cult) or plague and pestilence (6th House).
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  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    No poll for SITHIS Viod take you all
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    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
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  • raidentenshu_ESO
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    Jyggalag/Sheogorath
    Hermaeus Mora
    Molag bal
    Hircine
  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    HAIL HIRCINE.

    HAIL SITHIS.

    ^

    I also like Malacath too. He's a pretty chill god.
    Carbonised wrote: »
    Asardes wrote: »
    I like doing business in games so I picked Zenithar. I'm an avowed atheist in real life but I can't help but notice that most of the daedra and their followers are just as bad as religious fanatics we have among us. Worm Cult is some sort of Daesh :)

    That goes for both Daedra and Aedra.

    The followers of Akatosh, for instance the Order of the Hour, are pretty fanatical too.

    I agree, this is why when I role play, I try to keep my prayers and my objectives private. If one wishes to worship a god/goddess that is their own business. Now if they desire to put their beliefs forcefully onto other peoples, that is something I try to avoid at all costs.

    But hey, the power struggle between worshipers of different sects has some pretty juicey stories. Like what we saw with Order of the Hour vs The Dark brotherhood of the Gold Coast.
    Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on September 23, 2016 3:50PM
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