Magika Sorc Amberplasm in PvP build?

Swainburg

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

RNG on the amberplasm pieces has been horrible. Wish it were BOE

You can trade it with any group members you grind with. If anyone needs a grinding partner on AD or DC EU then feel free to pm me. I'm on holiday for the next week though.

Sorry mr sandwich I'm NA Ps4 but I'd love to.

psychotic13

Using drinks is just as good if not better, I'm using x5 kags x5 alchemist and x3 willpower, the health bonuses from the sets account for the missing health from not using food

Hankrabbit

psychotic13 wrote: »

Using drinks is just as good if not better, I'm using x5 kags x5 alchemist and x3 willpower, the health bonuses from the sets account for the missing health from not using food

Amberplasm gives you nearly the same regeneration as a drink in one set bonus. i think that's much better then using a drink, especially on Magsorc, because you have to stack max magicka for your shields.

lynog85

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

My friend in game put me onto this set. His build is 5x amberplasm, 3x willpower, 1 kena, 1 bloodspawn, 1 vma staff. His magicka regen is 1500 with no atro mundus and his stam regen is about 1200. Because his regen is so good he runs mage mundus so has about 40k magicka with around 2700 spell damage. Apparently he still runs out of magicka but with 1200 stam regen you can dark deal till the cows come home. I'm in the process of farming it, got all the divines, just need infused legs and chest

Don't go into PvP with no impen. You will be demolished

Minalan

lynog85 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

My friend in game put me onto this set. His build is 5x amberplasm, 3x willpower, 1 kena, 1 bloodspawn, 1 vma staff. His magicka regen is 1500 with no atro mundus and his stam regen is about 1200. Because his regen is so good he runs mage mundus so has about 40k magicka with around 2700 spell damage. Apparently he still runs out of magicka but with 1200 stam regen you can dark deal till the cows come home. I'm in the process of farming it, got all the divines, just need infused legs and chest

Don't go into PvP with no impen. You will be demolished

Unless you stack shields, pretty much this...

Swainburg

I think as a general consensus, this is in fact a good set. I'll probably replace seducer with it.
Something like this?

Head (will do testing on most helpful monster helm - if sustain isnt a problem i'll go 2 kena)
Chest amberplasm
Shoulders (monster piece)
Arms amberplasm
Belt amberplasm
Legs amberplasm
Feet amberplasm
Ring willpower
Ring willpower
Neck willpower
Destro - Maelstrom or master's destro if I can get it
Resto - Doesn't matter much to me. Maelstrom if I can get it.

Im going to try to get all impen, but I don't feel like grinding WgT, for one piece. I feel like I should just call myself shield stacker and never get ganked.

Im going to aim for 2k magicka recovery.

Skills:
Destro
Frags, destructive touch, velocious curse, streak, endless fury, and meteor. Typical burst dps bar.

Resto
Healing ward, harness magicka, surge, hardened ward, Dark conversion, and probably overload as ulti.

Overload bar
Some defensive stuff: probably boundless storm, streak harness magicka and whatever else. Defensive rune every 2 minutes. Flex spots really.

Thats all. Suggestions?

Draven147

That sounds like an awesome plan. 2k recovery will not be hard to do at all. I'm running 5 julianos 3 transmutation and willpower jewelery and my recovery is 1700ish, so with 5 amberplasm it should not be a problem.

What I would like to do is run 5 julianos and 5 amberplasm and see what/where that puts me at. Its gonna be tough to get the amberplasm jewls from vet mazz but i think it will be worth it.

Swainburg

Draven147 wrote: »

That sounds like an awesome plan. 2k recovery will not be hard to do at all. I'm running 5 julianos 3 transmutation and willpower jewelery and my recovery is 1700ish, so with 5 amberplasm it should not be a problem.

What I would like to do is run 5 julianos and 5 amberplasm and see what/where that puts me at. Its gonna be tough to get the amberplasm jewls from vet mazz but i think it will be worth it.

The only problem i think i have with two 5 piece sets is there is no monster helm.

Draven147

Yeah that's what I keep coming back to as well. Especially with all the new sets coming into play next month as well. So many choices and so much theory crafting coming up in the coming weeks.

Swainburg

Draven147 wrote: »

Yeah that's what I keep coming back to as well. Especially with all the new sets coming into play next month as well. So many choices and so much theory crafting coming up in the coming weeks.

I think im gonna have to play around and test to see if I need engine guardian eith amber, because as much as I love monster sets, I also want to do amberplasm + vicious death for the fun of the explosion.

Draven147

Swainburg wrote: »

I think im gonna have to play around and test to see if I need engine guardian eith amber, because as much as I love monster sets, I also want to do amberplasm + vicious death for the fun of the explosion.

That would be a really good combo and who doesn't like seeing the explosions haha sooo satisfying. Although I like to run 2 pieces of heavy armor (usually pants and chest) on my sorc in pvp for the extra survive-ability. I don't know if it actually helps or not but I feel a little safer roaming around cyrodiil and that's why I prefer the crafted sets. I'd like to run julianos and vicious death but the cost of the jewelry is a little absurd at the moment so I am waiting for it to come down. I did run vicious and elegant for a few weeks and had a blasty with it but I could not be left alone. Way way way too squishy, but it sure was fun. Expensive on the repairs from all the deaths but what's a sorc to do?

AverageJo3Gam3r

Imo if you run vicious death you need to go full burst. VD+alchemist is the way to go. Otherwise, you won't kill stuff fast enough to justify VD.

cschwingeb14_ESO

FYI, Amberplasm does NOT drop with impen. None of the Mazz or CoS sets do. You can go with jewelry of course, but that doesn't help you when you want to run elegance.

As a sorc I think you're better off running Dark Deal with transmutation than double stacking shields, no-impen and Amberplasm (ie, elegance+transmutation, and dark deal occasionally). I did try vicious death+ Amberplasm. That combo was good on defense, but not enough damage even when my overloads did connect.

FriedEggSandwich

lynog85 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

My friend in game put me onto this set. His build is 5x amberplasm, 3x willpower, 1 kena, 1 bloodspawn, 1 vma staff. His magicka regen is 1500 with no atro mundus and his stam regen is about 1200. Because his regen is so good he runs mage mundus so has about 40k magicka with around 2700 spell damage. Apparently he still runs out of magicka but with 1200 stam regen you can dark deal till the cows come home. I'm in the process of farming it, got all the divines, just need infused legs and chest

Don't go into PvP with no impen. You will be demolished

Yeah I wouldn't. I currently wear 6 impen in pvp. I am a convert

Malamar1229

I will be posting a new pvp build after the update. Have some kinks to work out first

-Makkir

Malamar1229

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

My friend in game put me onto this set. His build is 5x amberplasm, 3x willpower, 1 kena, 1 bloodspawn, 1 vma staff. His magicka regen is 1500 with no atro mundus and his stam regen is about 1200. Because his regen is so good he runs mage mundus so has about 40k magicka with around 2700 spell damage. Apparently he still runs out of magicka but with 1200 stam regen you can dark deal till the cows come home. I'm in the process of farming it, got all the divines, just need infused legs and chest

Don't go into PvP with no impen. You will be demolished

Yeah I wouldn't. I currently wear 6 impen in pvp. I am a convert

So here's my take- The problem with Impen is that, for a magicka sorc, it does NOTHING for you once you apply a damage shield. Thats 7 wasted traits if you use shields. You are much better off running a gank counter such as defensive rune or radiant magelight and using traits that will actually play to your strengths.


-Makkir

FriedEggSandwich

Malamar1229 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

My friend in game put me onto this set. His build is 5x amberplasm, 3x willpower, 1 kena, 1 bloodspawn, 1 vma staff. His magicka regen is 1500 with no atro mundus and his stam regen is about 1200. Because his regen is so good he runs mage mundus so has about 40k magicka with around 2700 spell damage. Apparently he still runs out of magicka but with 1200 stam regen you can dark deal till the cows come home. I'm in the process of farming it, got all the divines, just need infused legs and chest

Don't go into PvP with no impen. You will be demolished

Yeah I wouldn't. I currently wear 6 impen in pvp. I am a convert

So here's my take- The problem with Impen is that, for a magicka sorc, it does NOTHING for you once you apply a damage shield. Thats 7 wasted traits if you use shields. You are much better off running a gank counter such as defensive rune or radiant magelight and using traits that will actually play to your strengths.


-Makkir

I run defensive rune on my overload bar. I run impen because of the way I have chosen to build for pvp; underlying tankiness to take the panic out of a ward cast. I also only have 20cp in bastion choosing to put the remaining cp into hardy and ele defender. I wanted to reduce my reliance on my ward, only casting it to give me a quick break from incoming damage. I got bored trying to keep my ward up 100% of the time, it's just not realistic to try. Yeah impen is wasted as soon as you cast a ward but it pays its due for the rest of the time. I also refuse to put my ward on my front bar, would much rather have streak there instead and impen helps to make this work. I really noticed a difference after switching to impen and I wouldn't go back now.

Minalan

How much impending can you get from using four or five small pieces?

Is that even worth considering?

FriedEggSandwich

Minalan wrote: »

How much impending can you get from using four or five small pieces?

Is that even worth considering?

Each piece of impen grants 250 crit resist iirc, maybe slightly more, it's not affected by large or small pieces; just a flat value. With 6 pieces I have over exactly 1548 crit resist with no cp in resistant.

Berenhir

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

How much impending can you get from using four or five small pieces?

Is that even worth considering?

Each piece of impen grants 250 crit resist iirc, maybe slightly more, it's not affected by large or small pieces; just a flat value. With 6 pieces I have over exactly 1548 crit resist with no cp in resistant.

That's about 14% overall damage reduction from critical hits assuming an average critical damage value of 170%, which is lowered by 23,5% with your crit resistance.
Most sorcs forget that whenever the incoming damage is higher than their shield strength, the overflow damage can crit.

Thus impen is beneficial even for shield stacking sorcs, if they ever have to drop their shield while in Cyrodiil. It's only useless if you never ever get hit for more than your shield strength when CE buffed.

It's somehow the same with people putting all points in Bastion and forgetting about ele defender, hardy and thick skinned, which lowers the incoming damage before shields are even touched.

Often the same people that cry about how bad the state of their sorcs is though.

Swainburg

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

FYI, Amberplasm does NOT drop with impen. None of the Mazz or CoS sets do. You can go with jewelry of course, but that doesn't help you when you want to run elegance.

Im sorry, I was actually misinformed I thought it did drop impen.

I was thinking to keep with the sustain theme, and go 5 magnus's gift, 5 amberplasm, 1 maelstrom. My goal is 2000k regen and 2500 spell damage unbuffed. I'll put impen on my magnus' gift, yes?

Swainburg

Swainburg wrote: »

Draven147 wrote: »

Yeah that's what I keep coming back to as well. Especially with all the new sets coming into play next month as well. So many choices and so much theory crafting coming up in the coming weeks.

I think im gonna have to play around and test to see if I need engine guardian eith amber, because as much as I love monster sets, I also want to do amberplasm + vicious death for the fun of the explosion.

Vicious death was more of a joke than an actual usable set in this setup as I quickly realized it's not viable... Unless maybe for the 4 piece bonuses.

Just wanted to see people explode.

jhharvest

Vicious death is great for defending keeps. Just use it with cold fire ballistas / oil. Or my other use is to proc power enchant and Kena and then drop curse, wrath and meteor on the group. You're fairly likely to kill someone if it's a bunch of pugs pushing in.

Berenhir

jhharvest wrote: »

Vicious death is great for defending keeps. Just use it with cold fire ballistas / oil. Or my other use is to proc power enchant and Kena and then drop curse, wrath and meteor on the group. You're fairly likely to kill someone if it's a bunch of pugs pushing in.

Even better with VD: drop a negate on the breach while your buddy is oiling, then hand out wrath/fury like hotcakes. One wrath to drop them all!

Minalan

Berenhir wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

How much impending can you get from using four or five small pieces?

Is that even worth considering?

Each piece of impen grants 250 crit resist iirc, maybe slightly more, it's not affected by large or small pieces; just a flat value. With 6 pieces I have over exactly 1548 crit resist with no cp in resistant.

That's about 14% overall damage reduction from critical hits assuming an average critical damage value of 170%, which is lowered by 23,5% with your crit resistance.
Most sorcs forget that whenever the incoming damage is higher than their shield strength, the overflow damage can crit.

Thus impen is beneficial even for shield stacking sorcs, if they ever have to drop their shield while in Cyrodiil. It's only useless if you never ever get hit for more than your shield strength when CE buffed.

It's somehow the same with people putting all points in Bastion and forgetting about ele defender, hardy and thick skinned, which lowers the incoming damage before shields are even touched.

Often the same people that cry about how bad the state of their sorcs is though.

The class isn't quite unplayable, but it certainly needs some serious quality of life improvements. Many are equally tired of the 'git gud' crowd (usually other classes) telling everyone how they're playing sorc wrong.

If the streak cost increases weren't so severe, it wouldn't be nearly as bad an issue. A stam player would have to work harder for their 'macro-slice' than hitting their gap closer once or twice, and then animation cancelling a handful of attacks while flying through the air...

And you have to admit, a 14% damage reduction from a 12-15K crit probably isn't going to save you. Keep the shields up high.

Berenhir

Minalan wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

How much impending can you get from using four or five small pieces?

Is that even worth considering?

Each piece of impen grants 250 crit resist iirc, maybe slightly more, it's not affected by large or small pieces; just a flat value. With 6 pieces I have over exactly 1548 crit resist with no cp in resistant.

That's about 14% overall damage reduction from critical hits assuming an average critical damage value of 170%, which is lowered by 23,5% with your crit resistance.
Most sorcs forget that whenever the incoming damage is higher than their shield strength, the overflow damage can crit.

Thus impen is beneficial even for shield stacking sorcs, if they ever have to drop their shield while in Cyrodiil. It's only useless if you never ever get hit for more than your shield strength when CE buffed.

It's somehow the same with people putting all points in Bastion and forgetting about ele defender, hardy and thick skinned, which lowers the incoming damage before shields are even touched.

Often the same people that cry about how bad the state of their sorcs is though.

The class isn't quite unplayable, but it certainly needs some serious quality of life improvements. Many are equally tired of the 'git gud' crowd (usually other classes) telling everyone how they're playing sorc wrong.

If the streak cost increases weren't so severe, it wouldn't be nearly as bad an issue. A stam player would have to work harder for their 'macro-slice' than hitting their gap closer once or twice, and then animation cancelling a handful of attacks while flying through the air...

And you have to admit, a 14% damage reduction from a 12-15K crit probably isn't going to save you. Keep the shields up high.

Well, compared to my magblade playing my magsorc feels like being superman

The 14% does stack though with 15% hardy, 50% radiant magelight and up to 33% vampire. The moment you are most vulnerable to crits is when you are ganked. Many stamblades are also cloaking before ambushing/surprise attacking in battle. Most Ambush/Incap combos don't even bring me into executioner range.
So yes shields are important, but a balanced approach to incoming damage reduction is way superior.

Swainburg

Minalan wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

How much impending can you get from using four or five small pieces?

Is that even worth considering?

Each piece of impen grants 250 crit resist iirc, maybe slightly more, it's not affected by large or small pieces; just a flat value. With 6 pieces I have over exactly 1548 crit resist with no cp in resistant.

That's about 14% overall damage reduction from critical hits assuming an average critical damage value of 170%, which is lowered by 23,5% with your crit resistance.
Most sorcs forget that whenever the incoming damage is higher than their shield strength, the overflow damage can crit.

Thus impen is beneficial even for shield stacking sorcs, if they ever have to drop their shield while in Cyrodiil. It's only useless if you never ever get hit for more than your shield strength when CE buffed.

It's somehow the same with people putting all points in Bastion and forgetting about ele defender, hardy and thick skinned, which lowers the incoming damage before shields are even touched.

Often the same people that cry about how bad the state of their sorcs is though.

The class isn't quite unplayable, but it certainly needs some serious quality of life improvements. Many are equally tired of the 'git gud' crowd (usually other classes) telling everyone how they're playing sorc wrong.

If the streak cost increases weren't so severe, it wouldn't be nearly as bad an issue. A stam player would have to work harder for their 'macro-slice' than hitting their gap closer once or twice, and then animation cancelling a handful of attacks while flying through the air...

And you have to admit, a 14% damage reduction from a 12-15K crit probably isn't going to save you. Keep the shields up high.

Kind of off topic.
I know many sorcs wear seducer, but what it the switch was made over to magnus' for the potential streak cost negate? Would that be better?

Malamar1229

@Swainburg

The flat cost reduction of streak is better if you are spamming abilities.

Most of the time you have to unlearn what you've done in previous MMOs and start your build and gear selection with your playstyle. There wont be a BiS in PVP or a one stat to stack. You have to build these things around your playstyle.

I move a lot and sometimes I loosely use Streak. I like having the cost reduction of seducer because I am constantly spamming skills and get the greater bang for my buck with that stat.

Same argument goes with impen. If you are good at reapplying shields like me, then you might find it useless despite the other arguments in this thread. Its boring, unegaging gameplay but its one of our strengths. I do about 12 percent into hardy/ele defender instead of going full Bastion.

I had some post DB footage up on youtube showcasing a seducer build. You can youtube search my sorc Makkir to find them. When I am at a PC again I will upate my signature with the link.

AverageJo3Gam3r

I main a mDK so I only play on my sorc when I'm fed up and need a break. Msorc feels so powerful after playing mDK. But I see everyone using seducer. Isn't this a mistake? Shouldn't I instead spec into offense? Msorc isn't good at sustained damage, so the spike damage needs to be high enough to actually burst people down. Seems like willpower+julianos/kags+2pc torugs+1 kena seems like a better setup.

Can any expert msorcs weigh in?

Minalan

I'm with Makkir. Seducer is almost a must have after dark brotherhood when some fool at ZOS idecided to increase our magicka costs by about 10% across the board.

Mix seducer with some other DPS focus set with jewelry (elegance, arcane willpower, Cyrodiil light, grace of the ancients, etc) and it balances out. Sustain versus damage.