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WhoThenNow7
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TAKE TRAINING AND PROSPEROUS OUT OF MONSTER HELMS!!
Three times in a row all training.. Seriously.. So ridiculous.
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Edited by ZOS_DaryaK on September 17, 2016 8:26PM Three times in a row all training.. Seriously.. So ridiculous.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You need more Training to be Prosperous.
On a serious note they already are removing those traits from drops in dungeons.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on September 17, 2016 8:00PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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WhoThenNow7✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »You need more Training to be Prosperous.
On a serious note they already are removing those traits from drops in dungeons.
lol thanks for the laugh.. Thank goodness they are though.0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, they are being removed from trials. They remain in dungeons.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information2 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, they are being removed from trials. They remain in dungeons.
I see no point in that. After all, Dungeons can be just as endgame as Trials.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Neither do I. But it's the way it is. This is the announcement:
And, yes, I've gotten a training piece on the PTS. I'm sure ZOS knows that these are undesirable traits; they exist solely to dilute the chance of getting what you want. It's the price they exact for a 100% drop rate, I suppose.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We have an update for you. We will be making the following changes to Trait attainability with the launch of Update 12:- Prosperous and Training will be removed as a valid Trait for all items that drop in Trials
- Valid Traits for Trials and Leaderboard rewards are as follows:
- Weapons – Infused, Powered, Precise, Defending, Sharpened, Charged, Decisive
- Armor – Infused, Divines, Well-Fitted, Reinforced, Sturdy
- Items drops in the overland and in dungeons will have a chance of dropping with all available Traits, including Impenetrable
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts with us on this subject. We appreciate how constructive this discussion has been, and the ideas shared.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
xX_NachtJager_xx✭✭✭I have gotten 6 nerieneth helms recently, every single one of them were training.....
In the other hand, the best shoulders I've gotten have been well fitted.....FmlCP460 Magsorc, Stamblade, Templar Healer, DK Tank. AKA the drunken nord0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Neither do I. But it's the way it is. This is the announcement:
And, yes, I've gotten a training piece on the PTS. I'm sure ZOS knows that these are undesirable traits; they exist solely to dilute the chance of getting what you want. It's the price they exact for a 100% drop rate, I suppose.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We have an update for you. We will be making the following changes to Trait attainability with the launch of Update 12:- Prosperous and Training will be removed as a valid Trait for all items that drop in Trials
- Valid Traits for Trials and Leaderboard rewards are as follows:
- Weapons – Infused, Powered, Precise, Defending, Sharpened, Charged, Decisive
- Armor – Infused, Divines, Well-Fitted, Reinforced, Sturdy
- Items drops in the overland and in dungeons will have a chance of dropping with all available Traits, including Impenetrable
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts with us on this subject. We appreciate how constructive this discussion has been, and the ideas shared.
Apparently they don't think Veteran Dungeons are proper endgame then, especially considering THE ENTIRE GAME IS ENDGAME with One Tamriel.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Neither do I. But it's the way it is. This is the announcement:
And, yes, I've gotten a training piece on the PTS. I'm sure ZOS knows that these are undesirable traits; they exist solely to dilute the chance of getting what you want. It's the price they exact for a 100% drop rate, I suppose.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We have an update for you. We will be making the following changes to Trait attainability with the launch of Update 12:- Prosperous and Training will be removed as a valid Trait for all items that drop in Trials
- Valid Traits for Trials and Leaderboard rewards are as follows:
- Weapons – Infused, Powered, Precise, Defending, Sharpened, Charged, Decisive
- Armor – Infused, Divines, Well-Fitted, Reinforced, Sturdy
- Items drops in the overland and in dungeons will have a chance of dropping with all available Traits, including Impenetrable
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts with us on this subject. We appreciate how constructive this discussion has been, and the ideas shared.
Apparently they don't think Veteran Dungeons are proper endgame then, especially considering THE ENTIRE GAME IS ENDGAME with One Tamriel.
It depends on how you define "endgame", but I don't think it is equivalent to "max level". In any case, ZOS never used that terminology, and there's no denying the trials are on a difficulty level all of their own. Normal trials are harder than every normal dungeon, and Veteran trials are much harder than even the hardest DLC Veteran dungeon. Even nMoL is more challenging for PUGs than most Veteran dungeons.
That said, I would very much like to see them tweak the drop tables somewhat and remove Training/Prosperous from the vet-mode loot table; I don't care if they leave it in the normal-mode loot table. Or at the very least cull the trait tables for headpieces that drop from Hard Mode kills.Edited by code65536 on September 17, 2016 8:55PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Neither do I. But it's the way it is. This is the announcement:
And, yes, I've gotten a training piece on the PTS. I'm sure ZOS knows that these are undesirable traits; they exist solely to dilute the chance of getting what you want. It's the price they exact for a 100% drop rate, I suppose.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We have an update for you. We will be making the following changes to Trait attainability with the launch of Update 12:- Prosperous and Training will be removed as a valid Trait for all items that drop in Trials
- Valid Traits for Trials and Leaderboard rewards are as follows:
- Weapons – Infused, Powered, Precise, Defending, Sharpened, Charged, Decisive
- Armor – Infused, Divines, Well-Fitted, Reinforced, Sturdy
- Items drops in the overland and in dungeons will have a chance of dropping with all available Traits, including Impenetrable
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts with us on this subject. We appreciate how constructive this discussion has been, and the ideas shared.
Apparently they don't think Veteran Dungeons are proper endgame then, especially considering THE ENTIRE GAME IS ENDGAME with One Tamriel.
It depends on how you define "endgame", but I don't think it is equivalent to "max level". In any case, ZOS never used that terminology, and there's no denying the trials are on a difficulty level all of their own. Normal trials are harder than every normal dungeon, and Veteran trials are much harder than even the hardest DLC Veteran dungeon. Even nMoL is more challenging for PUGs than most Veteran dungeons.
That said, I would very much like to see them tweak the drop tables somewhat and remove Training/Prosperous from the vet-mode loot table; I don't care if they leave it in the normal-mode loot table. Or at the very least cull the trait tables for headpieces that drop from Hard Mode kills.
My definition of endgame is basically the literal end of the game. I suppose in many ways ESO isn't going all endgame but it can certainly feel like it to many. When progression feels abhorrently lacking though it can definitely feel like the entire game is endgame.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on September 17, 2016 9:16PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »My definition of endgame is basically the literal end of the game.
Which means... what? Endgame literally means the end of the game. So what's the end?
When you can no longer progress by gaining levels? Very few would consider hitting Level 50 CR10 to be endgame. When you can no longer progress by gaining gear levels? Again, very few would consider hitting CR160 to as reaching endgame. When you hit the CP cap? When you run out of things to do in the storylines (defeated Bal, finished Gold, etc.) and are left with only repeatable content like dungeons, trials, and PvP?
In any case, all of this is an irrelevant segue. I don't care what you do and don't label as endgame because ZOS never claimed to use that label as the criteria for their drops. They are simply rewarding better loot tables to harder content, and the question is whether that's a fair reward system (maybe) and whether or not it'd be better with more granularity (e.g., keep trash traits in normal mode, remove them from vet mode).Edited by code65536 on September 17, 2016 9:56PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1 -
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »My definition of endgame is basically the literal end of the game.
Which means... what? Endgame literally means the end of the game. So what's the end?
When you can no longer progress by gaining levels? Very few would consider hitting Level 50 CR10 to be endgame. When you can no longer progress by gaining gear levels? Again, very few would consider hitting CR160 to as reaching endgame. When you hit the CP cap? When you run out of things to do in the storylines (defeated Bal, finished Gold, etc.) and are left with only repeatable content like dungeons, trials, and PvP?
In any case, all of this is an irrelevant segue. I don't care what you do and don't label as endgame because ZOS never claimed to use that label as the criteria for their drops. They are simply rewarding better loot tables to harder content, and the question is whether that's a fair reward system.
No they have actually acknowledged that those are "endgame" places and that is why they are removing those Traits. Yes it should be in Dungeons too (but not Delves) but alas I guess we cannot have everything... It may not say so in that post but it has been acknowledged as such, hence the reason they did it in the first place.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭I just wish they would weigh the Traits in favor of Reinforced and Well-Fitted, rather than Training and Prosperous. I don't mind them dropping, I just dislike them dropping so much. Making Divines a common drop is a pipe dream, so I'd settle for Reinforced dropping a bit more often than Divines.Edited by Mic1007 on September 17, 2016 11:17PM@Mic1007
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