*Remove racial passives / let us choose passives*

Mady

This would:

• eliminate an 'op' race
• lead to equal races
• add more variety
• improve hybrid builds
• fulfill the 'play how you want and what you want' - promise
• not change the meta
• make Argonians to the master race because....tails....

Make races just a visual thing. Like.... Orcs are ugly....you know.

Rename the passives, so it kinda fits the lore.

Zenimax could still sell race changes, but instead of the race they would let you change your passives.
They would probably sell more of those changes than race changes now.

altemriel

nope

Funkopotamus

Heck no!

wth?

UltimaJoe777

Mady wrote: »

This would:

• eliminate an 'op' race
• lead to equal races
• add more variety
• improve hybrid builds
• fulfill the 'play how you want and what you want' - promise
• not change the meta
• make Argonians to the master race because....tails....

Make races just a visual thing. Like.... Orcs are ugly....you know.

Rename the passives, so it kinda fits the lore.

Zenimax could still sell race changes, but instead of the race they would let you change your passives.
They would probably sell more of those changes than race changes now.

You kind of contradicted yourself there. Races, even in single-player games, have passives relative to their race's background. Letting people pick and mix will indeed break lore.

mb10

Nah



For a million reasons.

iam117

Mady wrote: »

This would:

• eliminate an 'op' race
• lead to equal races
• add more variety
• improve hybrid builds
• fulfill the 'play how you want and what you want' - promise
• not change the meta
• make Argonians to the master race because....tails....

Make races just a visual thing. Like.... Orcs are ugly....you know.

Rename the passives, so it kinda fits the lore.

Zenimax could still sell race changes, but instead of the race they would let you change your passives.
They would probably sell more of those changes than race changes now.

this would make OP builds worse than they already are. you can play how you want, pick your race and go from there. if you want min/max, pick the race with the passives your looking for accordingly

arkansas_ESO

I honestly see no reason why people would be opposed to this, doesn't change the meta at all while allowing for you to choose the race that you like instead of the race that works the best for your build.

UltimaJoe777

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

I honestly see no reason why people would be opposed to this, doesn't change the meta at all while allowing for you to choose the race that you like instead of the race that works the best for your build.

Because it breaks lore. That alone is reason enough. The Elder Scrolls doesn't have races just so you can min/max.

OrphanHelgen

Im a main orc, I need something positive for looking like that ;D Give me physical penetration instead of 4% melee dmg plox

UltimaJoe777

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Im a main orc, I need something positive for looking like that ;D Give me physical penetration instead of 4% melee dmg plox

So you'd prefer 4% Penetration? Nah, I'd rather have the damage.

altemriel

nope, just nope !!!



anyone want some sweetrols?? Or good cheese from uncle Sheo?


We have got plenty of good food!!!

Abeille

Sure. But change the name and the setting of the game too, so it is not TES anymore.

arkansas_ESO

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

I honestly see no reason why people would be opposed to this, doesn't change the meta at all while allowing for you to choose the race that you like instead of the race that works the best for your build.

Because it breaks lore. That alone is reason enough. The Elder Scrolls doesn't have races just so you can min/max.

Gameplay>lore. Having racials in the single player games made sense because you weren't competing with anybody else, but in an MMO like ESO you are. As an avid fan of the single player games, I'd much rather be able to make my orc a mage without severely gimping myself than to preserve the "sanctity of the lore."

bebynnag

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Im a main orc, I need something positive for looking like that ;D Give me physical penetration instead of 4% melee dmg plox

So you'd prefer 4% Penetration? Nah, I'd rather have the damage.

insert smutty joke about how much of a diffrence 4% can make.....

bebynnag

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

I honestly see no reason why people would be opposed to this, doesn't change the meta at all while allowing for you to choose the race that you like instead of the race that works the best for your build.

Because it breaks lore. That alone is reason enough. The Elder Scrolls doesn't have races just so you can min/max.

Gameplay>lore. Having racials in the single player games made sense because you weren't competing with anybody else, but in an MMO like ESO you are. As an avid fan of the single player games, I'd much rather be able to make my orc a mage without severely gimping myself than to preserve the "sanctity of the lore."

or you could try looking at it from a different perspective,

most people when making a magic build go with max magic & magic passives, i get the reasons for this & do it myself.

but making for example a magic woodelf (cant remember orc passives off by heart) you get extra stam, stam recovery, reduce poison &/or disease damage increase damage from stealth.

in any situation that little bit of extra stam/recovery can actually be a life saver. reduce damage from poison - how can this ever be a bad thing? increase damage from stealth works on magic skills too (i had a woodelf hybrid 4 a while, dark flare from stealth is nasty)

a lot of the racial damage buffs are feasable for either mag or stam, some are very specifically one or the other... personally i would prefer that racial damage passives be re-worked slightly, so Khajit becomes increase inc crit chance; redguard restore stam OR mag on melee, high elf & dark elf, add poison or disease into the frost/flame/shock etc etc

(just woke up and im trying to think. this is a bad combo off 2 make coffee)

Daemons_Bane

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

I honestly see no reason why people would be opposed to this, doesn't change the meta at all while allowing for you to choose the race that you like instead of the race that works the best for your build.

Because it breaks lore. That alone is reason enough. The Elder Scrolls doesn't have races just so you can min/max.

Gameplay>lore. Having racials in the single player games made sense because you weren't competing with anybody else, but in an MMO like ESO you are. As an avid fan of the single player games, I'd much rather be able to make my orc a mage without severely gimping myself than to preserve the "sanctity of the lore."

No.. Gameplay does not brush aside Lore in this case, just so people can min/max stuff

DRXHarbinger

Riiiiggghhhtttt. So every stam player can choose.

Max stam 10%.
Crit chance 8%
Stam recovery 10%

Good one.

Mady

It's not that lore breaking when it's already in the lore....

Orc Mage

Bosmer Sorcerer

Khajiit Sorcerer apprentice

Nord Sorcerer apprentice

Nord Mage

Imperial Enchanter

etc....

laksikus

Mady wrote: »

It's not that lore breaking when it's already in the lore....

Orc Mage

Bosmer Sorcerer

Khajiit Sorcerer apprentice

Nord Sorcerer apprentice

Nord Mage

Imperial Enchanter

etc....

Thats lore for people. Like those chars you can make in eso a orc mage Too.
That doesnt change the fact that race affinities are lore and you want to break them

AlnilamE

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Riiiiggghhhtttt. So every stam player can choose.

Max stam 10%.
Crit chance 8%
Stam recovery 10%

Good one.

Yeah, that's what the OP means by "add more variety".

I like that you have to make choices in this game.

Abeille

Mady wrote: »

It's not that lore breaking when it's already in the lore....

Orc Mage

Bosmer Sorcerer

Khajiit Sorcerer apprentice

Nord Sorcerer apprentice

Nord Mage

Imperial Enchanter

etc....

It is not lore breaking to have a person of one race do something that isn't what their race is inclined to do.

It is lore breaking to an individual to have a set of racials that are not of their race.

A better suggestion is to put the soft caps back in the game. That way, with the right setup (on in-universe terms, "the and dedication"), any race can do anything without losing their identity.

Yes I will keep insisting on the soft caps.

DRXHarbinger

AlnilamE wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Riiiiggghhhtttt. So every stam player can choose.

Max stam 10%.
Crit chance 8%
Stam recovery 10%

Good one.

Yeah, that's what the OP means by "add more variety".

I like that you have to make choices in this game.

It would never achieve variety. It would give nothing else but pure stam and pure magika. May as well make that the only choice you need on toon creation.

Joysheeped

I don't think it is lore breaking for a character of a certain race having another race's racial paasives.

Anyway, I would love to heal as a Khajiit without being gkicked so I say yes : D

arkansas_ESO

puffytheslayer wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

I honestly see no reason why people would be opposed to this, doesn't change the meta at all while allowing for you to choose the race that you like instead of the race that works the best for your build.

Because it breaks lore. That alone is reason enough. The Elder Scrolls doesn't have races just so you can min/max.

Gameplay>lore. Having racials in the single player games made sense because you weren't competing with anybody else, but in an MMO like ESO you are. As an avid fan of the single player games, I'd much rather be able to make my orc a mage without severely gimping myself than to preserve the "sanctity of the lore."

or you could try looking at it from a different perspective,

most people when making a magic build go with max magic & magic passives, i get the reasons for this & do it myself.

but making for example a magic woodelf (cant remember orc passives off by heart) you get extra stam, stam recovery, reduce poison &/or disease damage increase damage from stealth.

in any situation that little bit of extra stam/recovery can actually be a life saver. reduce damage from poison - how can this ever be a bad thing? increase damage from stealth works on magic skills too (i had a woodelf hybrid 4 a while, dark flare from stealth is nasty)

a lot of the racial damage buffs are feasable for either mag or stam, some are very specifically one or the other... personally i would prefer that racial damage passives be re-worked slightly, so Khajit becomes increase inc crit chance; redguard restore stam OR mag on melee, high elf & dark elf, add poison or disease into the frost/flame/shock etc etc

(just woke up and im trying to think. this is a bad combo off 2 make coffee)

I have no issues with being able to choose certain racials, I just don't think they should be so closely tied to appearance. If you want to run bosmer racials on your magic sorc, then by all means go for it, but I'd very much like the ability to have altmer racials on my orc mage.

arkansas_ESO

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Riiiiggghhhtttt. So every stam player can choose.

Max stam 10%.
Crit chance 8%
Stam recovery 10%

Good one.

This is an entirely different issue in that there's only two-three really competitive sets of racials, with the rest being strictly inferior to these two or three.

Mady

Since the passives would get renamed, it would not be lore breaking at all.
And a lot of them don't even have a name that is particular for their race.
If there's an Orc that wants to learn Magic, why shouldn't he do that, if he has an 'Elemental Talent'?

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Riiiiggghhhtttt. So every stam player can choose.

Max stam 10%.
Crit chance 8%
Stam recovery 10%

Good one.

This could be balanced by cutting the bonus in half as you choose more passives out of the stamina pool.

So you choose a stamina passive. And if you choose another stamina passive it's only 50% of the bonus. Something like that.

Abeille

Mady wrote: »

Since the passives would get renamed, it would not be lore breaking at all.
And a lot of them don't even have a name that is particular for their race.
If there's an Orc that wants to learn Magic, why shouldn't he do that, if he has an 'Elemental Talent'?

A will to learn and a natural talent are two different things.

Orcs do not have a natural talent for magic. They can have the will to learn, but they are not born with a natural talent for it like a Breton or an Altmer.

Which is why soft caps are still the most lore-friendly option.

Lumenn

The only thing that gets me about the lore in this particular game is the pick and choose, while the rest of the lore doesn't make it. Bosmer used to get a plus in alteration and alchemy, they have an aptitude for magicka(mainly illusion. Spinners use magicka) great at stealth and bows. None of the magicka made it. (i do wish instead of adding max stamina we got regen magicka. Dark elves get max of both and we get regen of both but /shrug) There are things about all the races this way. (i just know more about the bosmer. My personal favorite for spellswords) so it's selective lore. I love lore. I read all the books etc in case there's something I didn't know. I hate lore of convenience.

Asardes

They did a pretty good job with 2.5 racial passives change buffing some races that were at a clear disadvantage and making them more viable. Racial balance is mostly important in PvP. The initially proposed Khajiit change (+6% stamina) was dropped exactly because the race would have indeed become too strong compared to the others. Now you have a lot of choice both for stamina and magicka builds:

Magicka builds: Altmer, Dunmer (got buffed), Breton and even Argonian (got buffed)
Stamina builds with burst/sustain: Redguard, Bosmer (got buffed), Khajiit
Tankier stamina builds: Imperial, Orc (got buffed), Nord (got buffed)

The problem right now it's not racial passives, but stamina builds being stronger than magicka ones due to synergy with certain gear, and even downright exploits with that gear (ex. viper's sting with quick bar change from bow to melee)

seebra

oh hell naw

UltimaJoe777

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

I honestly see no reason why people would be opposed to this, doesn't change the meta at all while allowing for you to choose the race that you like instead of the race that works the best for your build.

Because it breaks lore. That alone is reason enough. The Elder Scrolls doesn't have races just so you can min/max.

Gameplay>lore. Having racials in the single player games made sense because you weren't competing with anybody else, but in an MMO like ESO you are. As an avid fan of the single player games, I'd much rather be able to make my orc a mage without severely gimping myself than to preserve the "sanctity of the lore."

Gameplay IS lore. This whole game cares more about its lore than the fact it's an MMO. Unfortunately, it also skates on thin ice at times to do things like One Tamriel. Flat-out breaking lore though? Never gonna happen. You may not care about the lore, but plenty of others do. This is The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited, not The Elder Scrolls Online: Races Unlimited.