Stamina vampire

Syiccal

Am I the only stamblade that would like to see a stam version of bat swarm .would be nice to use as currently it's pointless

iRogue32

I wouldn't recommend asking for stamina buffs on the forums. It never ends well.

Syiccal

Yea I did wonder how long it would be.
Both morphs do very little for stam classes the only real reason nightbkade shadow become vamps is for stealth speed so would be nice to have a few stam morphs.

Unsent.Soul

Syiccal wrote: »

Am I the only stamblade that would like to see a stam version of bat swarm .would be nice to use as currently it's pointless

You already get the stealth speed, recovery, and dmg reduction. For a stamina class using vampire, I'd say thats more than enough.

Syiccal

Yea but magika classes get all that also.but they also get skills and choices of ults that do magic dmg and so increase via cp

KaleidoscopeEyz

Filthy bloodsuckers should be cleansed with fire.

Khaos_Bane

Absolutely ! @Wrobel must have simply forgotten to give that skill to STA as well.

iRogue32

Vampire is designed for magicka builds just like werewolf is meant for stamina. In my opinion. bats does not need a stam morph.

acw37162

Woah woah woah;

You want to have cake and eat it to.

I am also 150% certain stam blades do not need a passive buff.

Syiccal

Ww for stam is not the best choice for pvp especially as a nightblade

Khaos_Bane

Syiccal wrote: »

Yea but magika classes get all that also.but they also get skills and choices of ults that do magic dmg and so increase via cp

Please make sure that you get a bubble based on STA as well. @Wrobel already tried once and thought it was a really good idea. That way you can have a lot of defence, STA for blocking, STA for roll-dodge, AND BUBBLE.

Because we all know STA should have the HIGHEST DPS, the best mitigation, and the best defensive skills. So all that has to be worked on next is get a slight buff to Vigor so you HEAL better than MAG as well.

Syiccal

I'm all about balance and personally can't see an issue with have a stam morph of bats that does poison or disease dmg.
Just for record I also have a magika sorc

iRogue32

Syiccal wrote: »

I'm all about balance and personally can't see an issue with have a stam morph of bats that does poison or disease dmg.
Just for record I also have a magika sorc

Do not confuse balance with having a stam skill for each magicka skill. Stamina is already overperforming in pvp compared to most magickas builds. They do not need this buff.

Syiccal

Not sure I would call it a buff but a bit more choice as most stam blades are using strikes or dawnbreaker.be fun when weapon ults come to xbox just for a change to the go to ults we use now

nihonseanb14_ESO

Great idea.

They should also have Magika morphs for WW skills. And that 15% stam boost? Yeah, why not just make it 7.5% stam/7.5% Magika?

Any other ideas on things that work well now, but we can screw up anyway?

Siphoneer

Lol lets just delete Magicka entirely

Mojmir

there's a reason for a character named hurricane wrobel,I don't think vamp is part of his template.

JamieAubrey

Oh yeah, give stam users something else to use

kongkim

Then we need a magic Werewolf also.. And o think not.

DRXHarbinger

Who uses stam vamps anyway in pvp....one heavy fire staff with prismatic glyph. ...Goodbye. if you can't pop a shield which you can't against dawnbreaking zergs....goodbye again.

What they probably should have done from the start is have 2 strains of each disease. One focusing on magika and stam with separate abilities and weaknesses.

Knootewoot

Syiccal wrote: »

Yea I did wonder how long it would be.
Both morphs do very little for stam classes the only real reason nightbkade shadow become vamps is for stealth speed so would be nice to have a few stam morphs.

Then, as a magicka stamblade, i would like to have a morph for bow that does spell damage. Also a magicka morph of Vigor would be nice. And while we're at it, I want a morph for werewolf that scaled of spellpower and passives that regenerate 15% magicka.

Alucardo

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Filthy bloodsuckers should be cleansed with fire.

In a few more updates and CP cap increases they'll be able to completely negate the fire damage weakness. There will be literally no reason not to go Vamp, unless you're running a health regen build or want to look sexy.

ListerJMC

I'd like to see some stamina options for vampires, but since werewolves are very stamina-oriented I can't see it happening unless they made werewolves more magicka-friendly which I doubt they'd do. Vampire passives are still useful for stamina users at least, doesn't seem to be the case for magicka werewolves by my understanding.

Alucardo

ListerJMC wrote: »

I'd like to see some stamina options for vampires, but since werewolves are very stamina-oriented I can't see it happening unless they made werewolves more magicka-friendly which I doubt they'd do. Vampire passives are still useful for stamina users at least, doesn't seem to be the case for magicka werewolves by my understanding.

I ran into a magsorc who used the Werewolf ult as a defensive tactic. When he was nearly dead he popped werewolf and perma healed until help arrived. On a magicka class, the WW heal is extremely strong, it also gives them extra resistances to tank you for a bit longer.
At first I kinda laughed at him, but when he healed through all my damage until his group arrived, I'm pretty sure he was the one laughing.

ListerJMC

Alucardo wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I'd like to see some stamina options for vampires, but since werewolves are very stamina-oriented I can't see it happening unless they made werewolves more magicka-friendly which I doubt they'd do. Vampire passives are still useful for stamina users at least, doesn't seem to be the case for magicka werewolves by my understanding.

I ran into a magsorc who used the Werewolf ult as a defensive tactic. When he was nearly dead he popped werewolf and perma healed until help arrived. On a magicka class, the WW heal is extremely strong, it also gives them extra resistances to tank you for a bit longer.
At first I kinda laughed at him, but when he healed through all my damage until his group arrived, I'm pretty sure he was the one laughing.

I've never heard of a magicka class using lycanthropy as part of their build, so I have to say that's pretty neat someone found successful use for it - I'm glad it's not entirely pointless for magicka then! They have no damage capabilities as magicka though, do they? One of these days I'll actually try it out, I keep forgetting to.

Alucardo

ListerJMC wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I'd like to see some stamina options for vampires, but since werewolves are very stamina-oriented I can't see it happening unless they made werewolves more magicka-friendly which I doubt they'd do. Vampire passives are still useful for stamina users at least, doesn't seem to be the case for magicka werewolves by my understanding.

I ran into a magsorc who used the Werewolf ult as a defensive tactic. When he was nearly dead he popped werewolf and perma healed until help arrived. On a magicka class, the WW heal is extremely strong, it also gives them extra resistances to tank you for a bit longer.
At first I kinda laughed at him, but when he healed through all my damage until his group arrived, I'm pretty sure he was the one laughing.

I've never heard of a magicka class using lycanthropy as part of their build, so I have to say that's pretty neat someone found successful use for it - I'm glad it's not entirely pointless for magicka then! They have no damage capabilities as magicka though, do they? One of these days I'll actually try it out, I keep forgetting to.

Yeah his damage is quite low as a Werewolf, so he didn't even bother. Just used it defensively to avoid dying long enough for his group members to come to the rescue. The heal is rather expensive for stamina builds, so they can't spam it, but on a magicka class you can heal yourself quite a lot. Between the heal, fear and extra resistances I just couldn't burst him down.
I gotta give him props though. It worked.

runagate

I have both a magicka DK healer/shielder who uses WW self-heal on occasion (bitten in the wild, didn't even intend to be an argonian WW but rolled with it long ago) as well as a dunmer stamDK vampire. For a dunmer the drawbacks for using vamp aren't so bad although the benefits aren't so good, either, but I wanted to experiment with a particular kind of zerbball-busting build I'd dreamt up. Works pretty well. I suppose the poisonous cloud morph would once have worked well with Mighty but given a DK's ability to use Ultimates to restore resources it does what it's meant to.

Notably, neither is OP and that's just fine. They're good at the niche they were intended for.

dodgehopper_ESO

iRogue32 wrote: »

Vampire is designed for magicka builds just like werewolf is meant for stamina. In my opinion. bats does not need a stam morph.

To be fair, Werewolves have a magicka skill for the self heal. I'm pretty sure all Ults scale with stam/mag, the problem is the difference in WD/SD if I understand correctly.

dodgehopper_ESO

Alucardo wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I'd like to see some stamina options for vampires, but since werewolves are very stamina-oriented I can't see it happening unless they made werewolves more magicka-friendly which I doubt they'd do. Vampire passives are still useful for stamina users at least, doesn't seem to be the case for magicka werewolves by my understanding.

I ran into a magsorc who used the Werewolf ult as a defensive tactic. When he was nearly dead he popped werewolf and perma healed until help arrived. On a magicka class, the WW heal is extremely strong, it also gives them extra resistances to tank you for a bit longer.
At first I kinda laughed at him, but when he healed through all my damage until his group arrived, I'm pretty sure he was the one laughing.

I've never heard of a magicka class using lycanthropy as part of their build, so I have to say that's pretty neat someone found successful use for it - I'm glad it's not entirely pointless for magicka then! They have no damage capabilities as magicka though, do they? One of these days I'll actually try it out, I keep forgetting to.

Yeah his damage is quite low as a Werewolf, so he didn't even bother. Just used it defensively to avoid dying long enough for his group members to come to the rescue. The heal is rather expensive for stamina builds, so they can't spam it, but on a magicka class you can heal yourself quite a lot. Between the heal, fear and extra resistances I just couldn't burst him down.
I gotta give him props though. It worked.

When overcharging was available I actually made really fun use of werewolf on a magic character. I've been wondering lately if a tanky pelinal-wearing mage could get away with going werewolf. I don't know how great it would be but I have been curious.

dodgehopper_ESO

Alucardo wrote: »

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Filthy bloodsuckers should be cleansed with fire.

In a few more updates and CP cap increases they'll be able to completely negate the fire damage weakness. There will be literally no reason not to go Vamp, unless you're running a health regen build or want to look sexy.

This has annoyed me a long time. It is my hope they create a non-monster skill line that is mutually exclusive, just to give a reason for us to not be monsters.

Birdovic

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

I'd like to see some stamina options for vampires, but since werewolves are very stamina-oriented I can't see it happening unless they made werewolves more magicka-friendly which I doubt they'd do. Vampire passives are still useful for stamina users at least, doesn't seem to be the case for magicka werewolves by my understanding.

I ran into a magsorc who used the Werewolf ult as a defensive tactic. When he was nearly dead he popped werewolf and perma healed until help arrived. On a magicka class, the WW heal is extremely strong, it also gives them extra resistances to tank you for a bit longer.
At first I kinda laughed at him, but when he healed through all my damage until his group arrived, I'm pretty sure he was the one laughing.

I've never heard of a magicka class using lycanthropy as part of their build, so I have to say that's pretty neat someone found successful use for it - I'm glad it's not entirely pointless for magicka then! They have no damage capabilities as magicka though, do they? One of these days I'll actually try it out, I keep forgetting to.

Yeah his damage is quite low as a Werewolf, so he didn't even bother. Just used it defensively to avoid dying long enough for his group members to come to the rescue. The heal is rather expensive for stamina builds, so they can't spam it, but on a magicka class you can heal yourself quite a lot. Between the heal, fear and extra resistances I just couldn't burst him down.
I gotta give him props though. It worked.

When overcharging was available I actually made really fun use of werewolf on a magic character. I've been wondering lately if a tanky pelinal-wearing mage could get away with going werewolf. I don't know how great it would be but I have been curious.

sounds like a funny idea, its definetly something nobody expects.
But with Tamriel One sets incoming, the gap between "only-stam" and "only-mag" is even greater -> even harder to make Pelinal work well once again.
I really start wondering, what ZOS introduced Pelinal for..."to give ideas of what we could do but is only possible with 3600 cp?"