Werewolf needs love

mr1sho

Okay I love being a werewolf but I feel like werewolf gets the short end of the stick Vamps can use their skills and passives while I have to slot werewolf to get just a little bit stam regen the plus the werewolf ultimate cost way more than bats and I'm not bashing vampires I have a vamp too I'm just saying werewolves should get the same love vamps get

Chrlynsch

Naw, werewolves get no negatives while in human form, and can be extremely powerful in form. They are pretty solid if they can fix the bugs/ a couple bad skill mechanics that they have.

UrQuan

With the right build (stamina build with good weapon damage & crit, and obviously skill points in all WW passives and using all of the active skills) popping into werewolf form is super powerful, and as long as there are plenty of targets around you can stay in WW form indefinitely.

Yeah, it used to be bad. It's not anymore. It hasn't been bad for quite some time.

Stovahkiin

I agree, werewolves have a right to love and marry just like the humans and mer do!!!

*re-reads post* Oh... Wait..

But in all seriousness, the last time I played (about a month ago) werewolves seemed pretty fine to me. If they get buffed much more then they would become too overpowered, especially since Zeni seems to have a thing for making things either too weak or too strong, often with little in between :P

Altaire

Werewolves just need worm medicine, and maybe antibiotics... They will eat anything!
Oh, and flea/tick powder. and does group leader have ta clean up after after a big fight/meal?

Can I get a butt scoot vidio link?

Altaire

Perfect

Thank you...

Surak73

Werewolfs have not downsides when in human form, while vampires have (fire, health regeneration). Somehow we have to balance for that.

dodgehopper_ESO

I'd like to see some alternative wereforms like a wereboar, werelion, werecroc, werebear, etc. I realize the art team might not want to dedicate the time to it, and perhaps the devs would want to make each one unique, but seriously how cool would it be?

Johngo0036

What are you smoking, WW is soooo OP at the moment.. when i see a stam dk change to WW i RUN...

You really have to know your [SNIP] when fighting a WW in PVP..... Seriously..
I cannot even fathom why you brought this up.

SantieClaws

Khajiit would prefer not to love any werewolves today with many thanks.

The last time that happened the smell it lingered for weeks. The nightmares for even longer.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Doctordarkspawn

Werewolf is allready really powerfull for the niche it is in, Stam DPS, who are allready the cream of the crop right now. if anything, vampire needs love because the passives and bonuses it gives have not been worth it for a loooooooooooooong time.

xRIVALENx

Werewolf is fine the way it is.. Last thing I want is to be taking poison damage while not in werewolf form.

leepalmer95

I always thought werewolf should get like 20% of the ww passives in human form and take like 10% of the poison damage.

Erock25

So werewolf seems very strong in PvP but I'm having trouble sustaining stamina. Any tips? Am I in a hole already because I use heavy armor and therefore have lower natural stamina regen?

leepalmer95

Erock25 wrote: »

So werewolf seems very strong in PvP but I'm having trouble sustaining stamina. Any tips? Am I in a hole already because I use heavy armor and therefore have lower natural stamina regen?

Heavy attack

Erock25

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

So werewolf seems very strong in PvP but I'm having trouble sustaining stamina. Any tips? Am I in a hole already because I use heavy armor and therefore have lower natural stamina regen?

Heavy attack

I do, anything else?

PS4_ZeColmeia

Let me lay out the comparison

Passives
[*] Vamp trades +10 regen for +15%flame damage done to you & -25% hp regen
[*] WW trades an ultimate slot for +15% regen
Resistances/damage done
[*] Vamps trades up to 33% reduction in damage done to you at under 50% health for -20% flame damage done to you &-50% hp regen
[*] WW trades transformation in form (can't access non-WW skills) for +18%weapon damage stat &+100%stam from Heavy Attacks


Considering all passives in either line and most people being in stage 4 vampirism. You have:
Vampire

1. +10% magicka regen (good)
2. +10% stamina regen (good)
3. -50% health regen *all the time (bad)
4. up to +33% damage reduction when under 50% (good)
5. only has magicka based heals (depends)
6. +25% fire damage done to you *all the time (bad)
7. No speed penalty in stealth (good)
8. -25% vampire skill cost reduction (good)
9. Full time access to all skills all the time (good)
   Vamp Skills
10. Unbreakable stealth ultimate PBAOE or PBAOE heals
11. channel heal: recover 15 ultimate over 3 s or +10% movement speed for 20s
12. +75% resist, blocks healing and magicka regen: +30% movement speed (will stack with channel) or does magicka PBAOE

vs

WW

1. +15% stamina regen *while transformation slotted (good)
2. +18% weapon damage *while in transformation (good)
3. +100% stamina from heavy attacks *while in transformation (good)
4. +9996 Spell and Physical resist *while in transformation (good)
5. +time in WW form and -ultimate cost for transformation *while transformation slotted (good)
6. access 2 heals either in magicka or stamina *while in transformation (good)
7. cannot access non-WW skills in WW form (bad...kinda)
8. +25% damage dealt to you *while in transformation (bad)
   WW skill trades
9. bleed: +bleed damage or 2 pets
10. AOE or +time in WW for each use
11. +weapon damage or magicka heal dot
12. fear: fear AOE at target or group major brutality bonus
13. knockdown: synergy for group +damage light attacks (increases bleed skill) or +damage to feared enemy (works with fear skill)
14. -healing recieved to target or stamina heal
    Other benefits
15. 3 armor sets dedicated to improving life in WW form

I think when you lay it out, it's pretty easy to see vamps have to trade the entire time and center yourself around being a vampire, while WW gets to choose when they trade. When WW trades, it only gets bonuses for the only negative of an Ultimate slot on one bar (after update 5 you don't!

There is exactly 2 skills in the Vampire line that don't have to trade for a negative aspect of within it's on skill and one of them is a channel and the other is an ultimate (takes an ultimate slot) that is very powerful, but is PB vs something like meteor that can be aimed with an AOE.

The only true benefit to Vamp is you really get an opportunity to mitigate damage if you minimize your negatives. Unfortunately that means Dunmer, Breton, and Nord make the best vamps for that reason. Khajiit & Bosmer also make great Vamps for the stealth trait. The other side benefit is you can be magicka and stamina while a vampire while WW leans very heavily to stamina although you can maybe hybrid it (but then have those issues).

It's pretty close, but a WW that knows what he is doing is insane while in WW form and doesn't have to deal with negatives when it's not convenient. Vamps have an entire fighter guild skill line that can hurt them more 100% of the time, in addition to being vunerable to the most common staff and elemental spell damage type, fire, 100% of the time.

Danksta

Johngo0036 wrote: »

What are you smoking, WW is soooo OP at the moment.. when i see a stam dk change to WW i RUN...

You really have to know your [SNIP] when fighting a WW in PVP..... Seriously..
I cannot even fathom why you brought this up.

I see people say this a lot and it honestly baffles me. As a pretty mediocre PvPer I can't remember the last time I was killed by a WW.

cjthibs

Danksta wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

What are you smoking, WW is soooo OP at the moment.. when i see a stam dk change to WW i RUN...

You really have to know your sh#t when fighting a WW in PVP..... Seriously..
I cannot even fathom why you brought this up.

I see people say this a lot and it honestly baffles me. As a pretty mediocre PvPer I can't remember the last time I was killed by a WW.

Jokes aside, I can seriously wreck faces in WW form.
Only downside is that I almost definitely will get killed after I take 4 or 5 of them with me.

You've got to be johnny-on-the-spot with the fears and DoT, pounce around to avoid as much CC as you can, and be prepared to eventually bite it because you make yourself a huge target and everyone wants to take the wolf down.

mr1sho

I just want access to more passives outside of WW form sheesh lol

Saturn

The only problems I have with werewolf at the moment are:
The fear ability, which still seems to have a cast time making it useless in most PvP situations where a fear without a cast time, like the nightblade one, shines.
The heal, which for some reason is still based in magicka and scales with magicka, even though the entire purpose of the werewolf is to be stamina based.

Werewolves are really squishy in PvP since they introduced poisons, but the trouble that gives could easily be solved by fixing the two skills mentioned above.

I don't really think werewolf needs a buff, but I would like to see the fear and heal skills fixed as they have been pretty useless the entire time, at least in PvP.

ScardyFox

Biggest buff it needs is aesthetically...

altemriel

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit would prefer not to love any werewolves today with many thanks.

The last time that happened the smell it lingered for weeks. The nightmares for even longer.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Dude, your posts are so super funny all the time , I love them Khajiit Speak ♥♥

UrQuan

Danksta wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

What are you smoking, WW is soooo OP at the moment.. when i see a stam dk change to WW i RUN...

You really have to know your [SNIP] when fighting a WW in PVP..... Seriously..
I cannot even fathom why you brought this up.

I see people say this a lot and it honestly baffles me. As a pretty mediocre PvPer I can't remember the last time I was killed by a WW.

Most of the times I've seen someone successfully going 1vX in Imperial City that person has been a werewolf. Mind you, I haven't been hanging out in any PVP areas since poisons got added to the game, so that might have had a significant effect on the viability of werewolves in PVP.

ZakuBeta

My only problem with the WW form is that the time is so short. I want to be a WW longer. Maybe freeze the timer when in combat, and make us have to rush when out of combat?

Also, on the list of pros/cons you forgot the stun effect that we impart on ourselves during transformation to and from WW.

UrQuan

ZakuBeta wrote: »

My only problem with the WW form is that the time is so short. I want to be a WW longer. Maybe freeze the timer when in combat, and make us have to rush when out of combat?

When you've got all of the passives you can stay in WW form indefinitely until you run out of targets.

mr1sho

Saturn wrote: »

The only problems I have with werewolf at the moment are:
The fear ability, which still seems to have a cast time making it useless in most PvP situations where a fear without a cast time, like the nightblade one, shines.
The heal, which for some reason is still based in magicka and scales with magicka, even though the entire purpose of the werewolf is to be stamina based.

Werewolves are really squishy in PvP since they introduced poisons, but the trouble that gives could easily be solved by fixing the two skills mentioned above.

I don't really think werewolf needs a buff, but I would like to see the fear and heal skills fixed as they have been pretty useless the entire time, at least in PvP.

I wish they give us a stam morph for the heals

Bobby_V_Rockit

I'm not very good at PvP but the only fight I've won on my own was killing a werewolf and its dire wolves... Also, I am a vampire

leepalmer95

WW has insane dmg and insane armour

It's only weakness is the heal.

Wolfchild07

I feel like the heal should be stam and the fear should be mag. They seem backwards to me.