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  • vamp_emily
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    AD,

    DC just gave you a big cheer and a slow clap. In 3 hours you managed to finally take Alessia farm.


    Edited by vamp_emily on April 24, 2018 2:07AM

    If you want a friend, get a dog.
    AW Rank: Grand Warlord 1 ( level 49)

  • Caleb_Kadesh
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    vamp_emily wrote: »
    AD,
    DC just gave you a big cheer and a slow clap. In 3 hours you managed to finally take Alessia farm

    Woohoo, success at last.
    (It's the small things in life, AD is life.)
  • vamp_emily
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    vamp_emily wrote: »
    AD,
    DC just gave you a big cheer and a slow clap. In 3 hours you managed to finally take Alessia farm

    Woohoo, success at last.
    (It's the small things in life, AD is life.)

    Were you online last night? If so, what the heck were you all doing? I think I logged in around 6:30pm and EP took Roe and only needed Ash to get Emp. We spent several hours trying to find their weak spot and then also trying to defend Ash. We flagged Chal, bleakers, Roe and a few times tried for Ales but failed. Within that time frame AD did nothing. I think I may have seen a resource flagged once or twice but other than that it was almost like AD wanted EP to get emp.

    DC was cheering when they seen AD take the Allesia farm, and was hoping they would flag allessia to split EP up. But a few minutes later the farm was red again. I think the game changed when AD flagged BRK with 10 sieges, that helped out a lot.

    Edited by vamp_emily on April 24, 2018 8:51PM

    If you want a friend, get a dog.
    AW Rank: Grand Warlord 1 ( level 49)

  • Lumsdenml
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    vamp_emily wrote: »
    vamp_emily wrote: »
    AD,
    DC just gave you a big cheer and a slow clap. In 3 hours you managed to finally take Alessia farm

    t it was almost like AD wanted EP to get emp.

    Naw, all of AD were just on their DC alts (or the DC were not on their AD alts, whichever way this goes).
    In game ID: @KnightOfTacoma
    Main: Black Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50/CP 2160 Nightblade NA PC - Grand Master Crafter, adventurer and part time ganker. Rank 35 - Palatine Grade 1
    PVP Main:Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Rank 29 - Brigadier Grade 1 - Ravenwatch veteran. Blood for the Pact!
    Guild: The Disenfranchised - ZZ!
    Obituary:
    RIP Priest of Tacoma - EP Lvl 22 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the Garden of Shadows.
    RIP.Viscount of Tacoma - EP Lvl 18 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the war.
    RIP. Squire of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Knahaten Flu.
    RIP Reaper of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Consumption.
    RIP Sovereign of Tacoma - EP Lvl 32 NightBlade NA PC Kyne - Lost at The Battle of Brindle, December 13, 2018.
    RIP Dauphin of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC Kyne - Overdosed on Skooma.
    RIP Wraith of Tacoma - EP Lvl 10 Dragon Knight NA PC - Eaten by a dragon.
    RIP Red Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died at the Battle of Chalmen, March 18th, 2021.
    RIP Maharajah of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Lost in a sandstorm.
    RIP Vampire Of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Sorcerer NA PC - Fell asleep in the sun. RIP
  • Valen_Byte
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    I was on. Right up until I saw (and idgaf about naming and shaming) Alwreck, on his ep, helping a group of ad take brindle. After watching for a bit, sure enough, those ad are former ep. So it would seem the rotten DC that went to EP are now playing on AD at least a little.

    I dont understand how you are all oblivious to what is going on there. I only play once or twice a week now and I can see it. Its the same people. Over and over and over.
    ***Dixon Kay MagDK FORMER EMPEROR***Deca Dix MagDK FORMER EMPORER***Valonious MagPlar FORMER EMPEROR***
    GM of BYTE
    MAY YOUR DEATHS BE SWIFT, AND YOUR LOAD SCREENS LONG.
    And alien tears will fill for him, Pity’s long-broken urn, For his mourners will be outcast men, And outcasts always mourn
  • Razier
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    Valen_Byte wrote: »
    I was on. Right up until I saw (and idgaf about naming and shaming) Alwreck, on his ep, helping a group of ad take brindle. After watching for a bit, sure enough, those ad are former ep. So it would seem the rotten DC that went to EP are now playing on AD at least a little.

    I dont understand how you are all oblivious to what is going on there. I only play once or twice a week now and I can see it. Its the same people. Over and over and over.

    So let's analyze this a bit more.

    "Alwreck, on his ep, " - > Alec only has EP toons in nonvet.
    "helping a group of ad take brindle" -> Riding around rping, didn't help them take it. Holy Knights of Brindle. You must have missed the memo that Brindle is our holy lands.

    "After watching for a bit, sure enough, those ad are former ep" -> So.... 1 of them? Unless you got some more names since you don't give a *** about naming and shaming.

    "the rotten DC that went to EP are now playing on AD" -> Fake news. Also, this statement is ignorant in general since people faction hop all of the time. Besides why would any of us want to fight for AD lmao

    You're complaining about something that happens literally all of the time. Factions work together, ALL of the time. Complaining about two people at Brindle who decided not to attack the AD there because they saw a friend is just stupid. AD and DC worked together just the other day to dethrone EP. It's what factions do. It's what they've always done. Stop complaining about nothing, like Gabe, and stay in your lane.


    Saint of Brindle
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
  • gabriebe
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    I might complain, but find someone else who does as much about getting out of bad situations as I do. You guys hailed Inforno as the savior of EP the minute he decide to organize the pugs. Maybe it's something you should have done instead of just moping and circlejerking around Brindle wondering why EP isn't winning anything, ever. Easier to blame the pugs wranglers on the other side than your own laziness.

    Oh, and maybe one day I'll get a thank you for leading a group, emping you and then holding it for 8 hours until you got back from work because it's something you had almost accomplished on Xbox but bitter that you never did. Low expectations, I guess. But I won't complain.


    Edited by gabriebe on April 25, 2018 12:31AM
    Former Empresses: Saliva Bortschion (MagBlade), Janet From Finance (PvP MagSorc), Carla Swagan (Tank DK), Estelle Born (StamBlade), Enya Arsenal (MagPlar), Anita Nurse (Magplar Healer), Bearback Brigitte (Magden), Rachel Justice (MagDK), Nicole From Payroll (Stamden), Bailiff Belinda (PvE MagSorc), Féline Dion (StamDK), Septic Tank Tina (Necro Tank)

    The runts: The Trolly Spirit (Tank Sorc), Floods-Your-Basement (Warden Healer) Dinah Asthma (Magcro), Total Top Tony (Stamcro)

    The traitor
    s: Janis Javelin (Stamplar, EP), Barbecue Becky (Magblade Healer, AD)

    PvE: Gryphon Heart, Immortal Redeemer, Flawless Conqueror


    GM: Animal Control



  • Razier
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    gabriebe wrote: »
    I might complain, but find someone else who does as much about getting out of bad situations as I do. You guys hailed Inforno as the savior of EP the minute he decide to organize the pugs. Maybe it's something you should have done instead of just moping and circlejerking around Brindle wondering why EP isn't winning anything, ever. Easier to blame the pugs wranglers on the other side than your own laziness.

    Oh, and maybe one day I'll get a thank you for leading a group, emping you and then holding it for 8 hours until you got back from work because it's something you had almost accomplished on Xbox but bitter that you never did. Low expectations, I guess. But I won't complain.


    "You guys hailed Inforno as the savior of EP" Uhhh.... No, no one did lmao
    "Maybe it's something you should have done instead" I lead pugs for two weeks after I switched factions, emping the first week. A few weeks of being a zerglord is enough.

    "Oh, and maybe one day I'll get a thank you for leading a group, emping you" If I recall correctly I thanked you about 5 times that very day.

    "you had almost accomplished on Xbox but bitter that you never did." Played on PS4 not Xbox. Close there tho, close.

    "But I won't complain." NO WAY, WHAAATTTT?
    Saint of Brindle
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
  • Adenoma
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    OH GOD HE GOT THE CONSOLE WRONG.
    Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma
  • Razier
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    As an entire PVP
    Adenoma wrote: »
    OH GOD HE GOT THE CONSOLE WRONG.

    Ughh thank you, finally, someone who realizes it's a big deal getting them wrong.
    PS4>Xbone don't @ me

    Pls don't make me a Sadzier :'(
    Saint of Brindle
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
  • Stovahkiin
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    Lovely night with EP as usual :) (hope you can actually read the chat box :x )
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    Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!
  • MajBludd
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    So, they went from obsessing over Bruma to Brindle on EP?

    I Guess EP loves RP
  • Lumsdenml
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    MajBludd wrote: »
    So, they went from obsessing over Bruma to Brindle on EP?

    I Guess EP loves RP

    Well, when you are constantly at a pop disadvantage, you go for comedy...
    In game ID: @KnightOfTacoma
    Main: Black Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50/CP 2160 Nightblade NA PC - Grand Master Crafter, adventurer and part time ganker. Rank 35 - Palatine Grade 1
    PVP Main:Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Rank 29 - Brigadier Grade 1 - Ravenwatch veteran. Blood for the Pact!
    Guild: The Disenfranchised - ZZ!
    Obituary:
    RIP Priest of Tacoma - EP Lvl 22 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the Garden of Shadows.
    RIP.Viscount of Tacoma - EP Lvl 18 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the war.
    RIP. Squire of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Knahaten Flu.
    RIP Reaper of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Consumption.
    RIP Sovereign of Tacoma - EP Lvl 32 NightBlade NA PC Kyne - Lost at The Battle of Brindle, December 13, 2018.
    RIP Dauphin of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC Kyne - Overdosed on Skooma.
    RIP Wraith of Tacoma - EP Lvl 10 Dragon Knight NA PC - Eaten by a dragon.
    RIP Red Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died at the Battle of Chalmen, March 18th, 2021.
    RIP Maharajah of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Lost in a sandstorm.
    RIP Vampire Of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Sorcerer NA PC - Fell asleep in the sun. RIP
  • Valen_Byte
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    Razier, I’ll throw another name out. Yours, you where there on your ad. Yes Alreck did help take it. Several people came to help and he, not you or anyone from ad, ganked them all so that you could pvdoor it. You aren’t fooling anyone who is paying attention. Scrubs the lot of ya. No one cares what side people play on, just play fair. Ya right lol
    ***Dixon Kay MagDK FORMER EMPEROR***Deca Dix MagDK FORMER EMPORER***Valonious MagPlar FORMER EMPEROR***
    GM of BYTE
    MAY YOUR DEATHS BE SWIFT, AND YOUR LOAD SCREENS LONG.
    And alien tears will fill for him, Pity’s long-broken urn, For his mourners will be outcast men, And outcasts always mourn
  • Razier
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    Valen_Byte wrote: »
    Razier, I’ll throw another name out. Yours, you where there on your ad. Yes Alreck did help take it. Several people came to help and he, not you or anyone from ad, ganked them all so that you could pvdoor it. You aren’t fooling anyone who is paying attention. Scrubs the lot of ya. No one cares what side people play on, just play fair. Ya right lol

    I do not have an AD. I have never had an AD toon. Ask literally anyone.
    Saint of Brindle
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
  • Adenoma
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    Come to Shor. All the old BwB veterans have migrated there.
    Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma
  • Valen_Byte
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    Razier wrote: »
    Valen_Byte wrote: »
    Razier, I’ll throw another name out. Yours, you where there on your ad. Yes Alreck did help take it. Several people came to help and he, not you or anyone from ad, ganked them all so that you could pvdoor it. You aren’t fooling anyone who is paying attention. Scrubs the lot of ya. No one cares what side people play on, just play fair. Ya right lol

    I do not have an AD. I have never had an AD toon. Ask literally anyone.

    Hmm well hard to keep track what faction you and your buddies play on. Im sure I saw you there in one color or the other. Still, same people playing the same little games in lowbie.
    ***Dixon Kay MagDK FORMER EMPEROR***Deca Dix MagDK FORMER EMPORER***Valonious MagPlar FORMER EMPEROR***
    GM of BYTE
    MAY YOUR DEATHS BE SWIFT, AND YOUR LOAD SCREENS LONG.
    And alien tears will fill for him, Pity’s long-broken urn, For his mourners will be outcast men, And outcasts always mourn
  • Razier
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    Valen_Byte wrote: »
    Razier wrote: »
    Valen_Byte wrote: »
    Razier, I’ll throw another name out. Yours, you where there on your ad. Yes Alreck did help take it. Several people came to help and he, not you or anyone from ad, ganked them all so that you could pvdoor it. You aren’t fooling anyone who is paying attention. Scrubs the lot of ya. No one cares what side people play on, just play fair. Ya right lol

    I do not have an AD. I have never had an AD toon. Ask literally anyone.

    Hmm well hard to keep track what faction you and your buddies play on. Im sure I saw you there in one color or the other. Still, same people playing the same little games in lowbie.

    Hard to keep track? How do you keep track of literally anything then? We play EP. I switched factions once from DC to EP where I've been for 6 months.

    "Im sure I saw you there in one color or the other."
    Lmao. I wasn't there, I heard about what happened from the people who were there. Please stop spreading false information, and, complaining about nothing. We paid for this game, we will play it as we see fit. Got a problem with the real faction swappers? Take it up with ZoS. They've showed us time and time again they don't give two ***.
    Saint of Brindle
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
  • kringled_1
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    Lumsdenml wrote: »
    MajBludd wrote: »
    So, they went from obsessing over Bruma to Brindle on EP?

    I Guess EP loves RP

    Well, when you are constantly at a pop disadvantage, you go for comedy...

    At least in prime time, EP hasn't been at a pop disadvantage (on average) for many weeks now.
  • Fur_like_snow
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    Adenoma wrote: »
    Come to Shor. All the old BwB veterans have migrated there.

    got kind of excited when i read this so i hopped on Shor but the map was 90% yellow with a group sitting at the EP gates waiting for anyone to jump down. Sewers was a ghost town but i guess that is pretty much all campaigns.
  • casparian
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    Adenoma wrote: »
    Come to Shor. All the old BwB veterans have migrated there.

    got kind of excited when i read this so i hopped on Shor but the map was 90% yellow with a group sitting at the EP gates waiting for anyone to jump down. Sewers was a ghost town but i guess that is pretty much all campaigns.

    Shor is like that most days until prime time. AD and EP tend to trade emp, and DC has virtually no presence outside of prime time (except on the weekends, when its the opposite problem -- DC dominates outside of prime time on Saturday and Sunday).

    But during prime time, Shor has excellent PVP.
    7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.
  • Lumsdenml
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    kringled_1 wrote: »
    Lumsdenml wrote: »
    MajBludd wrote: »
    So, they went from obsessing over Bruma to Brindle on EP?

    I Guess EP loves RP

    Well, when you are constantly at a pop disadvantage, you go for comedy...

    At least in prime time, EP hasn't been at a pop disadvantage (on average) for many weeks now.

    Hmmmmm.... that would be a welcome change...
    In game ID: @KnightOfTacoma
    Main: Black Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50/CP 2160 Nightblade NA PC - Grand Master Crafter, adventurer and part time ganker. Rank 35 - Palatine Grade 1
    PVP Main:Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Rank 29 - Brigadier Grade 1 - Ravenwatch veteran. Blood for the Pact!
    Guild: The Disenfranchised - ZZ!
    Obituary:
    RIP Priest of Tacoma - EP Lvl 22 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the Garden of Shadows.
    RIP.Viscount of Tacoma - EP Lvl 18 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the war.
    RIP. Squire of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Knahaten Flu.
    RIP Reaper of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Consumption.
    RIP Sovereign of Tacoma - EP Lvl 32 NightBlade NA PC Kyne - Lost at The Battle of Brindle, December 13, 2018.
    RIP Dauphin of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC Kyne - Overdosed on Skooma.
    RIP Wraith of Tacoma - EP Lvl 10 Dragon Knight NA PC - Eaten by a dragon.
    RIP Red Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died at the Battle of Chalmen, March 18th, 2021.
    RIP Maharajah of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Lost in a sandstorm.
    RIP Vampire Of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Sorcerer NA PC - Fell asleep in the sun. RIP
  • Lumsdenml
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    Adenoma wrote: »
    Come to Shor. All the old BwB veterans have migrated there.

    got kind of excited when i read this so i hopped on Shor but the map was 90% yellow with a group sitting at the EP gates waiting for anyone to jump down. Sewers was a ghost town but i guess that is pretty much all campaigns.

    That sounds less than promising...
    In game ID: @KnightOfTacoma
    Main: Black Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50/CP 2160 Nightblade NA PC - Grand Master Crafter, adventurer and part time ganker. Rank 35 - Palatine Grade 1
    PVP Main:Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Rank 29 - Brigadier Grade 1 - Ravenwatch veteran. Blood for the Pact!
    Guild: The Disenfranchised - ZZ!
    Obituary:
    RIP Priest of Tacoma - EP Lvl 22 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the Garden of Shadows.
    RIP.Viscount of Tacoma - EP Lvl 18 Dragon Knight NA PC Kyne - Lost in the war.
    RIP. Squire of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Knahaten Flu.
    RIP Reaper of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died of Consumption.
    RIP Sovereign of Tacoma - EP Lvl 32 NightBlade NA PC Kyne - Lost at The Battle of Brindle, December 13, 2018.
    RIP Dauphin of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC Kyne - Overdosed on Skooma.
    RIP Wraith of Tacoma - EP Lvl 10 Dragon Knight NA PC - Eaten by a dragon.
    RIP Red Knight of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Died at the Battle of Chalmen, March 18th, 2021.
    RIP Maharajah of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Templar NA PC - Lost in a sandstorm.
    RIP Vampire Of Tacoma - EP Lvl 50 Sorcerer NA PC - Fell asleep in the sun. RIP
  • gabriebe
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    I could be standing in the middle of 50 EPs and they'll all say they're helping the underdogs, that they're all solo and that they don't zerg. It is kind of a meme at this point. Like don't get me wrong I don't mind people having numbers, but if I'm running in the middle of 50 people I'm not pretending to small-scale.
    Former Empresses: Saliva Bortschion (MagBlade), Janet From Finance (PvP MagSorc), Carla Swagan (Tank DK), Estelle Born (StamBlade), Enya Arsenal (MagPlar), Anita Nurse (Magplar Healer), Bearback Brigitte (Magden), Rachel Justice (MagDK), Nicole From Payroll (Stamden), Bailiff Belinda (PvE MagSorc), Féline Dion (StamDK), Septic Tank Tina (Necro Tank)

    The runts: The Trolly Spirit (Tank Sorc), Floods-Your-Basement (Warden Healer) Dinah Asthma (Magcro), Total Top Tony (Stamcro)

    The traitor
    s: Janis Javelin (Stamplar, EP), Barbecue Becky (Magblade Healer, AD)

    PvE: Gryphon Heart, Immortal Redeemer, Flawless Conqueror


    GM: Animal Control



  • Adenoma
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    @Fur_like_snow , live for prime time. It’s so good in Shor. EP and AD have been on this weird, totally unintended emp trade because of their relative daytime presences. I’m not entirely unbiased in this because I’m emp right now, so I’ve directly benefitted, but I don’t like that as a status quo. Otherwise, I’ve had months of really good small scale when I’ve played during the day and awesome pvp during prime time.
    Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma
  • Stridig
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    5 days. So sad.
    Enemy to many
    Friend to all
  • ColoursYouHave
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    Stridig wrote: »
    5 days. So sad.

    On the positive side, we're not far from 400 pages. This thread could really use a rez.
  • vamp_emily
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    I must say I am very entertaining.

    I went back a few days ago in the old BwB thread looking for a video. Some of the stuff I said was so funny. :) This is one post made me laugh a little.
    @Vyle_Byte
    Night capping is one thing you cant say about AD on BWB. DC has done it, yep. Not AD. Large groups? Yeah that totally happens, and mainly when something is being hit, we all seem to run to defend. But night capping? lol Nah man, so not true.

    My response:
    One thing I can say about AD is their mouths get big when they are over populated.

    Crying about night capping? /facepalm

    Now just go steal another scroll instead of earning it the right way.

    This pic i posted is still true several years later:
    ep.jpg


    I think i need to make a new pic for AA. :)


    Edited by vamp_emily on May 1, 2018 1:41PM

    If you want a friend, get a dog.
    AW Rank: Grand Warlord 1 ( level 49)

  • Vyle_Byte
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    Stop bringing me into this thread, I was done 100 pages ago and I still am. Find someone else to quote. Also, Em, thanks for reminding me why I started to despise you, with that "go steal another scroll" *** after I poured my heart out tryin to explain how much we didn't agree with it. Yep years later that one still stings. Yeah you so funny.

    I want no part of KYNE, BwB is dead and I barely even pvp anymore so please stop bringin me in here.
    Member of the Old Guard
    Mother of the Byte Family
    Vyle Byte||Ivana Byte||Vyible Byte||Hakate Vampler Former EMPRESS BWB||Haan Zolo {Retired} (He swung first)||Lunari ||Wardyn Chalyk Tahno||Dirti Dianah||Bonnie||
    Viva la Byte
  • Beaverton
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    Nice emp defense at Ash last night EP!
    Chook (fill in the blank) or Chookana (likewise): I learn more by dying so teach me some more!
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