What's the deal with Necropotence jewelry?

Transairion

Nobody likes pets, and flat magicka usually isn't good by itself... yet Necropotence Jewelry (PC NA) is either being listed for 150k+ (500k+ for gold) or not listed at all. I was even outright told today by someone who's been doing Trials practically nonstop that Necropotence Jewelry is something they'd just been trashing en mass...

So what's the deal? Almost all the other upscaled sets have crashed prices and are super easy to find listed, yet the incredibly niche Necropotence is being listed like some top-tier set rarely? Am I missing something? I thought this set would be easy to get at bargin-basement prices...

Decado

Honestly? Someone made a build video using it

That's almost always guaranteed to jack up the price of things if someone known makes s build
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Reorx_Holybeard

With the change of the 5 piece set bonus to flat Magicka it ends up being notably better than the old %bonus. So it is relatively good for a pet/shield Sorc build. Effectively the 5th bonus is giving you the equivalent of 400 Spell Damage. Other sets may be better but its still pretty good.

Transairion

With the change of the 5 piece set bonus to flat Magicka it ends up being notably better than the old %bonus. So it is relatively good for a pet/shield Sorc build. Effectively the 5th bonus is giving you the equivalent of 400 Spell Damage. Other sets may be better but its still pretty good.

That wouldn't jack up the price that high though, given there's like 4 players other than me who actually use that specific a pet build (and Necropotence's 5-peice is nonfunctional without a pet, so DK's and Templars can't even use the set period)

It's super niche, and all the armor/weapons are basically trash-tier sales (like 500 gold) yet the jewellery is not. The only other sets this way are the ones, as far as I know, are considered broken OP at the moment.

Something's not adding up to useless to majority = high price somehow. Are people just not listing them and vendoring immediately?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

What I don't get is why people are so anti-max magicka. I use all magicka enchants and love it. When you get above 40k magic you end up hitting about 98% to 99% as hard as a spell power build, and have a 10 to 20% bigger gas tank.

Izaki

Same thing with Elegant Swords on Xbox EU. 1.5 Million for one Purlple Precise Elegant Sword. Only Overload Sorcs can use that sword. I mean if it was gold, i'd understand 500k and would probably buy it, because its a rare item. But when its purple quality... Nah I'd rather farm for Moondancer as that set is better all together.

Ch4mpTW

It's all hype oriented. Once the hype cools down things, prices will simmer. Epic quality Elegance rings were going for 250k or higher consistently not too long ago, and yet now I'm seeing them all over the place for 30k-50k. Lol.

Reorx_Holybeard

Transairion wrote: »

With the change of the 5 piece set bonus to flat Magicka it ends up being notably better than the old %bonus. So it is relatively good for a pet/shield Sorc build. Effectively the 5th bonus is giving you the equivalent of 400 Spell Damage. Other sets may be better but its still pretty good.

That wouldn't jack up the price that high though, given there's like 4 players other than me who actually use that specific a pet build (and Necropotence's 5-peice is nonfunctional without a pet, so DK's and Templars can't even use the set period)

It's super niche, and all the armor/weapons are basically trash-tier sales (like 500 gold) yet the jewellery is not. The only other sets this way are the ones, as far as I know, are considered broken OP at the moment.

Something's not adding up to useless to majority = high price somehow. Are people just not listing them and vendoring immediately?

Yah, perhaps its just overvalued then. The DLC just came out and the first few people to get CP160 Necropotence items just overvalued them and put them at a high price, because who knows what the price of a new item like that should be. The economy will eventually normalize the price but this takes time (I'm sure someone more familiar with economic theory could explain this, I find it all rather fascinating).

psychotic13

It hasn't been out long it's going to be steep at first, supply & demand.

WuffyCerulei

If you know how to use pets properly and effectively, they can be useful. Like the Twilight Matriarch. That gives an awesome group heal, and the Clannfear can tank mobs, albeit you gotta heal him every so often.

Lord_Wrath

I understand supply and demand but these prices are beyond rational.

psychotic13

Not really, this is what the gold VD Jewelery was like when that first got released.

Transairion

psychotic13 wrote: »

Not really, this is what the gold VD Jewelery was like when that first got released.

Not really comparable: one is/was a PvP set everyone wanted (anti-zerg set in a PvP zerg meta), while the other is one of if not THE most niche use item set in the entire game that only a handful of players can utilize.

It's only the jewelry that overpriced as well, most anything else that's Necropotence (weapons, armor) is considered just above vendor trash (weapons especially selling for sub 10,000, I've seen several 500 weapons) if even listed at all.


Even though it's new, it seems to be the most niche of the upgraded sets yet it's jewelry costs as much or more than some of the other sets. It's kind of crazy. There's pages and pages of the other upscaled sets, Necropotence is somehow a rarity like some twisted parallel dimension.

Jsmalls

Alcast posted a build with high max Magicka, using necropotence in general, but the build wasn't very well done.

On live on console (so without SotH) im running a PvP build with 52k Magicka on the back bar using tri stat food. This jewellery is going to make that build THAT much stronger so I'll certainly be going for the jewellery when it comes out.

Don't underestimate that set, max Magicka is VERY strong for Sorcs. And the twilight heal scales off max Magicka so.

Also this makes one hell of an emperor set.

raasdal

Jewelry and Swords Sharpened are indeed ver expensive..

Transairion wrote: »

Nobody likes pets, and flat magicka usually isn't good by itself... yet Necropotence Jewelry (PC NA) is either being listed for 150k+ (500k+ for gold) or not listed at all. I was even outright told today by someone who's been doing Trials practically nonstop that Necropotence Jewelry is something they'd just been trashing en mass...

So what's the deal? Almost all the other upscaled sets have crashed prices and are super easy to find listed, yet the incredibly niche Necropotence is being listed like some top-tier set rarely? Am I missing something? I thought this set would be easy to get at bargin-basement prices...

What? "flat magicka is not usefull by itself" That is just the opposite of true. That 4k max magicka gives you the same damage as 400 spell power. Plus you can multiply with any racial passives etc, which will end up giving 5-6k magicka from it.

For a Mag NB, this set is BEAST, since That shadow fighter thing counts as a pet.

Transairion

What? "flat magicka is not usefull by itself" That is just the opposite of true. That 4k max magicka gives you the same damage as 400 spell power. Plus you can multiply with any racial passives etc, which will end up giving 5-6k magicka from it.

For a Mag NB, this set is BEAST, since That shadow fighter thing counts as a pet.

Going a full-on max magicka build isn't ideal since you have no penetration, no extra armor/set effects and have to use a lot of Mages Guild abilities for the +max magicka bonus. I'm not saying having a lot of magicka is bad, but going only Necropotence means you're not running other sets in that slot as well. Upsides and downsides.

Mag NB is also the only Nightblade than can use the set, period, and has to give up a ability slot on both bars to do so. Mind you I do that as a Sorc, but I'm more out of an outlier. You only get 4000 Max Magicka (5 golded pieces, mind you) from the 5-piece for having a pet active, not just slotted: I don't know how NB Shades work, but Sorc Summons vanish if you barswap and they're not on both bars so you're instantly down from 12 abilities to 10.

The set isn't really a simple "wear and get 4000 extra magicka", it's a lot more of wear this and not wear other things. And if you're a DK or Templar well you can't get that 4000 at all, no pets! Unless Morkuldin/Maw of Infernal count but they're not reliable...

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I'm on console so I'm unsure. Is necropotence still extra magic for bonuses 2 to 4? I used to use it as a leveling 4 piece on my magplar.

DisgracefulMind

Well if it's too expensive for you, just go farm it yourself. Is what I would do.

Vaoh

DLC just released. People know that the prices should be low, but a lot of the people selling are trying to get insane prices because the DLC just launched. In other words, they're being extremely greedy.

The price will drop. The majority of players think the 5-piece is worthless.

Transairion

Well if it's too expensive for you, just go farm it yourself. Is what I would do.

Hence I was sad to hear when someone who'd been getting a lot over the last few days was vendoring them all, lol.


It being expensive isn't a problem, it's "new"; it's more a question of the why. I'm seeing being listed as much as, if not MORE than other upscaled sets that drop from the same Trial/s... why would the price of more broad sets crash while a super niche set stays expensive?

If anything Necropotence prices should be toilet, hence my confusion.

susmitds

Transairion wrote: »

What? "flat magicka is not usefull by itself" That is just the opposite of true. That 4k max magicka gives you the same damage as 400 spell power. Plus you can multiply with any racial passives etc, which will end up giving 5-6k magicka from it.

For a Mag NB, this set is BEAST, since That shadow fighter thing counts as a pet.

Going a full-on max magicka build isn't ideal since you have no penetration, no extra armor/set effects and have to use a lot of Mages Guild abilities for the +max magicka bonus. I'm not saying having a lot of magicka is bad, but going only Necropotence means you're not running other sets in that slot as well. Upsides and downsides.

Mag NB is also the only Nightblade than can use the set, period, and has to give up a ability slot on both bars to do so. Mind you I do that as a Sorc, but I'm more out of an outlier. You only get 4000 Max Magicka (5 golded pieces, mind you) from the 5-piece for having a pet active, not just slotted: I don't know how NB Shades work, but Sorc Summons vanish if you barswap and they're not on both bars so you're instantly down from 12 abilities to 10.

The set isn't really a simple "wear and get 4000 extra magicka", it's a lot more of wear this and not wear other things. And if you're a DK or Templar well you can't get that 4000 at all, no pets! Unless Morkuldin/Maw of Infernal count but they're not reliable...

Nightblade Summon Shade works from a single bar, but hardly deals any damage itself and disappears after 15 secs and needs a target to be summoned in the first place. You can easily use it as buff skill with Necropotence for a massive magicka bonus every 15 secs and forget about it.

Dracane

raasdal wrote: »

Jewelry and Swords Sharpened are indeed ver expensive..

Transairion wrote: »

Nobody likes pets, and flat magicka usually isn't good by itself... yet Necropotence Jewelry (PC NA) is either being listed for 150k+ (500k+ for gold) or not listed at all. I was even outright told today by someone who's been doing Trials practically nonstop that Necropotence Jewelry is something they'd just been trashing en mass...

So what's the deal? Almost all the other upscaled sets have crashed prices and are super easy to find listed, yet the incredibly niche Necropotence is being listed like some top-tier set rarely? Am I missing something? I thought this set would be easy to get at bargin-basement prices...

What? "flat magicka is not usefull by itself" That is just the opposite of true. That 4k max magicka gives you the same damage as 400 spell power. Plus you can multiply with any racial passives etc, which will end up giving 5-6k magicka from it.

For a Mag NB, this set is BEAST, since That shadow fighter thing counts as a pet.

Don't exaggerate that much Necropotence gives 4587 magicka for Altmer, with all undaunted etc.
Because the 5 piece magicka bonus is bugged. it does not apply to your base magicka.

A gold V16 magicka bonus on armor (967 magicka) ends up being 1376 magicka. That's 32%.
But Necropotence 5 piece is treated differently sadly. If it would be treated like all other magicka bonuses, it would be really nice. But this way.... the flat value for necropotence is pretty bad.

It would have been better to just update it to max level and leave the 10% bonus or increase it to 12%. The flat value is not good here.