Destro abilities

syko809

Compare to DW S&S bow 2H the damage difference is like they are pitbulls and destro abilities are chihuahuas anyone fell the same

incite

They should up the dmg of destro skill tree...

No doubt

DerpyShadowz

Wall is one of the strongest DoT's you can get

Unsent.Soul

You're comparing all melee weapons to 1 ranged weapon...

See the flaw?

Also

I Highlander l wrote: »

Wall is one of the strongest DoT's you can get

Giraffon

I dunno. I've been hitting for 10-14K average with heavy attacks on my destro. I just sort of keep backing up. The wall does DOT, but really it's just the heavy attacks that do the most. I have some pretty solid gear though, so maybe that's it. If I'm hitting from stealth I can easily nail them for over 20K.

Minalan

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

You're comparing all melee weapons to 1 ranged weapon...

See the flaw?

Also

I Highlander l wrote: »

Wall is one of the strongest DoT's you can get

Bow is melee? Lol

thankyourat

Giraffon wrote: »

I dunno. I've been hitting for 10-14K average with heavy attacks on my destro. I just sort of keep backing up. The wall does DOT, but really it's just the heavy attacks that do the most. I have some pretty solid gear though, so maybe that's it. If I'm hitting from stealth I can easily nail them for over 20K.

For you to hit that hard you have to put points in destro light and heavy attacks in the champion tree which lowers your magic damage. I've hit 14k heavys as well but I need to run the shadow mundus and put about 50 points into staff experts to get that. So now my recovery is lower and all my spells are lower. You just have to give up to much

RebornV3x

I feel you Force Pulse and Destructive Reach are weak as hell compared to a dizzying swing or poison injection

syko809

RebornV3x wrote: »

I feel you Force Pulse and Destructive Reach are weak as hell compared to a dizzying swing or poison injection

It needs a major buff

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

You're comparing all melee weapons to 1 ranged weapon...

See the flaw?

Also

I Highlander l wrote: »

Wall is one of the strongest DoT's you can get

Look at the bow.
Even if they are melee, how can something cost less and hit harder. I always thought that if something was to cost more then it should be better not worst or weaker, but thats just me.

twistedmonk

I don't understand why the base damage of a 2-handed staff is less than 2-handed sword.

and 14k heavy attack with destro isn't much. you can get 28k damage from 2-handed sword heavy attack. and the 2h sword animation isn't as long either. you can animation cancel a 2h heavy attack easily and still get both full heavy attack + skill attack in 1-ish second

the animations look clunky. the spells are lackluster and boring.

they nerfed impulse - at least start with unnerfing that if that's all the effort you want to put into it.

I'd prefer an entire tree rewrite but that will never happen

Xvorg

twistedmonk wrote: »

I don't understand why the base damage of a 2-handed staff is less than 2-handed sword.

and 14k heavy attack with destro isn't much. you cna get 28k damage from 2-handed sword heavy attack. and the animation isn't as long either.

In my mageblade, I can get over 30K with destro full heavy. And even more with the right set combo (elegance + Julianos + MSA staff)

The problem is that the active skills are not so good compared to the stam weapons... but the passives are great (at least for flame and lightning staves... frost is crap)

Vaoh

I think that the entire skill tree needs to be updated. This is a good start.

• Destructive Touch (+morphs): Need big damage buff, both to the initial damage and the DoT. That's it.
• Wall of Elements (+morphs): Increase duration from 6 seconds to 8 seconds. This better aligns it with Volley.
• Wall of Elements, Blockade of Elements: Increase duration from 8 seconds to 10 seconds.
• Wall of Elements, Blockade of Elements: Increase duration from 6 seconds to 8 seconds. Small buff to make it actually have a use over the other, superior morph. The explosion could apply a Minor Debuff.
• Weakness to Elements, Elemental Susceptibility: Give it a new effect. Applying to the target now also debuffs them with either Minor Defile or Major Defile. A new buff could be created as well that lets ~8% of damage seep through enemy damage shields. Defile is a better choice though.
• Impulse, Elemental Ring: Buff the initial hit damage a bit, siginificantly buff the DoT.
• Tri-Focus Frost Heavy Attacks have a terrible bonus. That damage shield needs replacing. I recommend buffing the damage shield, but mainly also applying a DoT for 8 seconds to enemies you hit with the heavy attack. Therefore, Fire deals high instant damage, Shock deals AoE damage, and Frost deals a DoT that ends with slightly higher base DPS than the Inferno heavy attack (but not if spammed sooner than every 8 seconds). Also helps Winterborn builds. Make the Ice staves somewhat appealing over Inferno and Lightning staves!
• Penetrating Magic Also provide a chance (~10%) to deal elemental damage based on your staff type whenever you deal damage using Destruction Staff abilities top of the original effect. Similar to Burning Light for Templars. Will proc a lot if you stack DoTs.
• Ancient Knowledge Also make this passive increase Max Magicka by 3% for each Destruction Staff ability slotted on top of the original effect.

I think this would be great for the most part. Supporting elemental builds and Ice Mage (Winterborn) builds as well

Unsent.Soul

Minalan wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

You're comparing all melee weapons to 1 ranged weapon...

See the flaw?

Also

I Highlander l wrote: »

Wall is one of the strongest DoT's you can get

Bow is melee? Lol

That 1 slipped past, good call.

Acsvf

Doncellius wrote: »

• Wall of Elements (+morphs): Increase duration from 6 seconds to 8 seconds. This better aligns it with Volley.

Why exactly should Wall get a buff?

Vaoh

Acsvf wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

• Wall of Elements (+morphs): Increase duration from 6 seconds to 8 seconds. This better aligns it with Volley.

Why exactly should Wall get a buff?

It doesn't really need the buff, but moreso was an effort to better put it in line with Volley. Great skill either way.

Everything else I listed needs a buff though.

Why so nitpicky? lol

Dracane

Passive wise, destruction staff is the poorest of all weapons and the base damage of destruction abilities are too low.
Impulse is amongst the weakest AoEs available, force shock definately needs a juicy damage buff and destructive touch needs a more significanty dot.