Unfairness with capturable towns in Cyrodiil.

TheAngelofDeath99

TWO, I repeat TWO of the towns, Cropsford and Vlastarus are semi-deep in AD territory. I get that that's what's canon, but seriously? Bruma is the only town that will see fair fights, but only between DC and EP. We all know that AD has the most players and they will easily be able to defend Cropsford and Vlastarus.

Maybe things like camps or outposts should be added, that way it wouldn't mess with the lore. Because as of now, with AD having the most players, DC and EP have no chance at Cropsford and Vlastarus.

Another thing that could be added is being able to CUT LINKS. Let's say that along the links you put an outpost of soldiers depending on the alliance. You capture that link, and cut transportation between two keeps. I know this was a rant, but I was a little frustrated with the update.

Telel

Cropsford is less than two minutes from drakelowe, three from Sejanus. There's also no river blocking those paths.

So were Telel known for making points about the obvious then this one might explain things in greater detail.

Alas this one prefers to be lazy and let the comment write itself. For now.

leeux

I wonder why only three towns are capturable? What happened to Chorrol and Cheydinhal? Those are near DC and EP respectively...

Jules

ADD CHORROL AND CHEYDINHAL PROBLEM FIXD

zyk

I do not know how it will play out, but the locations of the capturable towns is definitely not balanced. The will promote activity in the North, SE, and SW.

KenaPKK

All of you need to chill. lol It's a new program that they're rolling out. Let them see how the community responds to and plays around these towns, and we'll get more flags all over Cyrodiil in no time. Patience.

Also simply adding Chorrol and Cheydinhal wouldn't change anything for the time being. They'd just always be blue and yellow respectively. Vlastrus is red right now I might add, and it's plenty close to Nikel/Ash or even a southward ride from Rayles for DC, just as Cropsford is plenty close to Drakelowe/BRK/Sej for EP. We need flags all over the place imo.

These areas are meant to be somewhat out of the way.

leeux

Yeah, agreed... the whole point of them is that they should help to disperse fights all over the map.
But in order to remain important, they need to be an strategic asset too, or nobody will pay attention to them in a few weeks (IMHO.)

fastolfv_ESO

i play dc and i think the placement is absolute bs, ep gets hosed hard having their town in ad territory and ads town between 4 bloody keeps

KenaPKK

Also the map is what it is. You want them to move the whole towns or develop entirely new ones? Do you realize how much time that would take? Just get on your horse and ride instead of glancing at the map and coming here to whine.

Bramir

AD needs the crutch. Nightcap anyone?

KenaPKK

zyk wrote: »

I do not know how it will play out, but the locations of the capturable towns is definitely not balanced. The will promote activity in the North, SE, and SW.

Oh god, promoting activity in the three cardinal directions placed between the three factions, whatever will we do?

kadar

But Kena, Cyrodiil is a sterile and balanced testing environment. A place where players and factions can pit themselves against each other to determine self-worth without interference from any external factors. A harmonious battlefield where no one has an advantage against any other. It is because of this that we can draw conclusions about our value as human beings based on our performance in this never ending, holy war.

How can you say that the geographical locations of the 3 towns are find how they are?

caeliusstarbreaker

The_Outsider wrote: »

But Kena, Cyrodiil is a sterile and balanced testing environment. A place where players and factions can pit themselves against each other to determine self-worth without interference from any external factors. A harmonious battlefield where no one has an advantage against any other. It is because of this that we can draw conclusions about our value as human beings based on our performance in this never ending, holy war.

How can you say that the geographical locations of the 3 towns are find how they are?

Because lore

KenaPKK

The_Outsider wrote: »

But Kena, Cyrodiil is a sterile and balanced testing environment. A place where players and factions can pit themselves against each other to determine self-worth without interference from any external factors. A harmonious battlefield where no one has an advantage against any other. It is because of this that we can draw conclusions about our value as human beings based on our performance in this never ending, holy war.

How can you say that the geographical locations of the 3 towns are find how they are?

Kappa

Rylana

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

i play dc and i think the placement is absolute bs, ep gets hosed hard having their town in ad territory and ads town between 4 bloody keeps

The river with the three bridges is actually the border, everything on the EP side of that river is EP territory.

The border for DC and AD is the three milegates south of Ash

The border for DC and EP is the huge rock around Chalman with all the milegates there.


So how is the EP town in AD territory? Sej and Drake are actually EP home objectives.

Taleof2Cities

As @KenaPKK said it's the very first day, folks.

If you don't think your faction will take each town at least once between now and when they turn the servers off, well ...

Sharee

TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »

TWO, I repeat TWO of the towns, Cropsford and Vlastarus are semi-deep in AD territory. I get that that's what's canon, but seriously? Bruma is the only town that will see fair fights, but only between DC and EP. We all know that AD has the most players and they will easily be able to defend Cropsford and Vlastarus.

From my experience last night, that's exactly what happened. Huge blue/red fights over bruma, and the other two towns constantly yellow, with anyone trying to change that thoroughly zerged by yellows. Can't say i'm happy with that.

Maybe ZOS could switch Cropsford for Cheydinhal as the capturable town in EP territory. Cropsford is technically in EP territory as well, but practically AD has usually easier time getting there and holding it.

Telel wrote: »

Cropsford is less than two minutes from drakelowe, three from Sejanus. There's also no river blocking those paths.

It is much more likely for EP to lose Drakelowe or Sejanus than for AD to lose Alessia. Drake is rarely red where i play. And the river is a non-factor, the only bridge that is usually contested is the northern one.

zyk

The objective layout in Cyrodiil is roughly radially symmetrical for balance. The location of the capturable towns break this. This will have implications for map play.

I do not know which factions it will benefit, but I suspect AD will be defending inner keeps more often and the area around Bleaker's will become an even greater hotbed of action. EP objectives appear to be impacted the least.

This is just a guess. I can imagine different scenarios. Whatever the actual result is, I believe it will be unbalancing.

Astanphaeus

Cropsford is in EP territory. This is not opinion, it is fact. If your complaint is that EP isn't frequently holding Drake, then you need to get the EP on your server into shape, because it is a home keep and they should be.

The fundamental problem is that they decided to put 5 towns on a 3 point map. This was fine when the towns were completely meaningless, but no that they have some modicum of relevance it is a bit of a problem, but I think they picked the best they could without changing the map substantially.

But when it comes down to it, the towns aren't worth any points, so I don't care too much how easy it is for each faction to capture one, I just don't want a situation where capturing a town (which is a fundamentally easy thing to do) could horribly screw over a faction. Which would be easy to do from Cheydinhall or Chorrol because of their proximity to EP and DC back keeps.

So basically I'm fine with the situation.

Sharee

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Cropsford is in EP territory. This is not opinion, it is fact. If your complaint is that EP isn't frequently holding Drake, then you need to get the EP on your server into shape, because it is a home keep and they should be.

The fact is, it is easier for AD to control Cropsford than for EP because Alessia is easier to hold for AD than Drakelowe is for EP.

So while Cropsford may be de-jure in EP territory, de-facto it is in AD territory. As someone who has spent a lot of time leveling alts through cyro dailies, i can tell you that the vast majority of time, crops guards were yellow, not red.

Bromburak

Only fight at Bruma and ignore every other town, end of story.
The best player feedback for Devs if you don't like it ...

Sharee

Bromburak wrote: »

Only fight at Bruma and ignore every other town, end of story.
The best player feedback for Devs if you don't like it ...

Bruma merchant only sells medium sets. If you want light or heavy, you need to control the other towns.

Bromburak

Sharee wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Only fight at Bruma and ignore every other town, end of story.
The best player feedback for Devs if you don't like it ...

Bruma merchant only sells medium sets. If you want light or heavy, you need to control the other towns.

If the sets are motivating enough for you to capture towns, go for it. Let see how many will follow after 2-3 weeks.
The main issue with PvP objectives didn't change because they not good enough to keep PvPers happy on a long run.

Buying armor , how innovative. It's hilarious.

Rylana

Bromburak wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Only fight at Bruma and ignore every other town, end of story.
The best player feedback for Devs if you don't like it ...

Bruma merchant only sells medium sets. If you want light or heavy, you need to control the other towns.

If the sets are motivating enough for you to capture towns, go for it. Let see how many will follow after 2-3 weeks.
The main issue with PvP objectives didn't change because they not good enough to keep PvPers happy on a long run.

Buying armor , how innovative. It's hilarious.

Except for that armor/jewelry is going to contain some of the highest value items on market for the next several weeks if not months (until level caps go up again)

So motivation is purely financial, and i assure you, the value is there (elf bane rings and cyro light necks anyone? kek)

And dont forget the cost on that RNG (50k AP a pop) is going to prohibit flooding the market, so prices will stay relatively steady and high compared to the rewards for the worthy glut we see today.

Stikato

The_Outsider wrote: »

But Kena, Cyrodiil is a sterile and balanced testing environment. A place where players and factions can pit themselves against each other to determine self-worth without interference from any external factors. A harmonious battlefield where no one has an advantage against any other. It is because of this that we can draw conclusions about our value as human beings based on our performance in this never ending, holy war.

How can you say that the geographical locations of the 3 towns are find how they are?

I enjoyed this haha, thank you!

Bromburak

Rylana wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Only fight at Bruma and ignore every other town, end of story.
The best player feedback for Devs if you don't like it ...

Bruma merchant only sells medium sets. If you want light or heavy, you need to control the other towns.

If the sets are motivating enough for you to capture towns, go for it. Let see how many will follow after 2-3 weeks.
The main issue with PvP objectives didn't change because they not good enough to keep PvPers happy on a long run.

Buying armor , how innovative. It's hilarious.

Except for that armor/jewelry is going to contain some of the highest value items on market for the next several weeks if not months (until level caps go up again)

So motivation is purely financial, and i assure you, the value is there (elf bane rings and cyro light necks anyone? kek)

And dont forget the cost on that RNG (50k AP a pop) is going to prohibit flooding the market, so prices will stay relatively steady and high compared to the rewards for the worthy glut we see today.

Overrated , all what you have said is great after releasing a game to work and fight for virtual currencies and finally buy rare items with APs or Gold, but not after 2 years since most of us have millions of gold and millions of AP.

Beside the fact, that we already have most of the sets in vault, why would I raid a town for a merchant as a Gold, AP and Telvar stones millionaire?

The problem is that ESO never released a real gold sink DLC , the result is that our virtual currencies stacked up because ESO never had something great to offer to spend a fortune.

A PvP objective should be challenging and rewarding and I can't really see that anywhere in Cyrodiil.

Rylana

Bromburak wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Only fight at Bruma and ignore every other town, end of story.
The best player feedback for Devs if you don't like it ...

Bruma merchant only sells medium sets. If you want light or heavy, you need to control the other towns.

If the sets are motivating enough for you to capture towns, go for it. Let see how many will follow after 2-3 weeks.
The main issue with PvP objectives didn't change because they not good enough to keep PvPers happy on a long run.

Buying armor , how innovative. It's hilarious.

Except for that armor/jewelry is going to contain some of the highest value items on market for the next several weeks if not months (until level caps go up again)

So motivation is purely financial, and i assure you, the value is there (elf bane rings and cyro light necks anyone? kek)

And dont forget the cost on that RNG (50k AP a pop) is going to prohibit flooding the market, so prices will stay relatively steady and high compared to the rewards for the worthy glut we see today.

Overrated , all what you have said is great after releasing a game to work and fight for virtual currencies and finally buy rare items with APs or Gold, but not after 2 years since most of us have millions of gold and millions of AP.

Beside the fact, that we already have most of the sets in vault, why would I raid a town for a merchant as a Gold, AP and Telvar stones millionaire?

The problem is that ESO never released a real gold sink DLC , the result is that our virtual currencies stacked up because ESO never had something great to offer to spend a fortune.

A PvP objective should be challenging and rewarding and I can't really see that anywhere in Cyrodiil.

No one had access to c160 purple of these sets until today. the market is there. by all means though, try offloading your v12 green or v14 blue versions if you want?

Not to mention MANY of these old sets now come with jewelry where they did not before. The build diversity and how to reach a targeted goal in stats has never been greater than it became when the patch hit live.

Best in slot may very well be a thing of the past, and as more catch onto this, youre going to see demand increase for what are basically going to be ultra rares.

Millions of AP? one million AP is 20 chances at a specific piece of the set. Chances, its RNG. Then it has to be the optimal trait. This stuff aint gonna come cheap, nor is it gonna sell cheap.

Bromburak

However, is the whole thing your understanding of innovative PvP concepts?
Just asking, because you have just confirmed that new players will not catch up with us because the only idea behind of PvP objectives is money.

Well, thank you for making me more rich on cost of others, but it doesn't improve anything in Cyrodiil.
So I am going to ask you again, do you seriously think that's innovative enough from gaming perspective?

Rylana

Bromburak wrote: »

Is that your understanding of innovative PvP concepts?
Just asking, because you have just confirmed that new players will not catch up with us because the only idea behind of PvP objectives is money. And you seriously think that's innovative enough from gaming perspective?

Well, thank you for making me more rich on cost of others, but it doesn't improve anything in Cyrodiil.

You do realize PvPers are among the poorest players in terms of game currency, right?

We dont grind, we dont PvE, we dont spend hours hawking our wares, we just kill each other.

What income we usually get, comes from selling PvP gear. I mean unless we take time away from PvP, our chosen playstyle.

If I get rich off of someone doing what I like to do? Im a bad guy?

Guess to be a good guy id better get to Hollow City and start farming up a couple hundred columbine for potions then... damn, and i was gonna pvp...

Bromburak

You do realize PvPers are among the poorest players in terms of game currency, right?

Really funny, you have no idea.

Millions of AP? one million AP is 20 chances at a specific piece of the set. Chances, its RNG.

Are you trying to impress casuals with this statement? One million is peanuts for most of us core ESO players.
You really need a reality check.

Armitas

I know of only one solution to this problem.






Purple Alliance activate!!!