I am watching 11 dps-ish specced players beat on 4 tanks.

Rylana

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Lol people denying an issue. Two or three BAD players should be able to kill one tank. If not then the game isn't working.

They arent tanks, they are full DPS builds running a set that makes them tanks. Therefore they get BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN

HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?

ScottK1994

Rylana wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Lol people denying an issue. Two or three BAD players should be able to kill one tank. If not then the game isn't working.

They arent tanks, they are full DPS builds running a set that makes them tanks. Therefore they get BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN

HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?

That makes it a bigger problem not less of a problem lol?

Cinbri

Since no fix on pts - enjoy another ~4 months of malubeth meta.

GreenSoup2HoT

I understand people defending tanks....but when they defend Malubeth wearers well... shame on them.

I have no issue's with 4 tanks killing 11 dps.. but when those tanks are abusing 2 broken mechanics (Malubeth and Reactive proc'ing off the snare from Templar ritual) we have a problem. These tanks are abusing both sets and damn well know they are doing it too.

ScottK1994

I really don't understand how PvP might be more popular than PvE but there isn't dedicated sets for PvP. PvE sets should be seriously weak to PvP players;like face roll because it's PvE lol

Lava_Croft

This is all part of Wrobel's master plan to empower the casuals that make up the majority of the player base.

kevlarto_ESO

KenaPKK wrote: »

3 templar tanks, one DK tank. All wearing Malubeth and 3 wearing Reactive.

The 11 dps dudes are more or less focusing the tanks one by one.

They aren't doing any damage....

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert What has this game come to? Is this your idea of fun, competitive PvP?

See this kind of stuff everyday, I can buy a tank build being tuff and maybe standing up to 3 to 4 people, but 10+ people with focus fire on the same target sorry no legit build in the game should allow that, between the cheat engine and the exploits, and the slow response of ZOS to address issues like this it just crazy. This defies all know game mechanics, been playing these games for many years and it don't take rocket science to spot when something is not right.

Robbmrp

Iyas wrote: »

Were the tanks able to kill one of the DDs? If not, whats the problem?

Oh yeah they can. That's the problem with what all these set combo's and CP's have done to the game. Not only can you build a tank that can mitigate tons of damage, they can turn around and do burst damage. The more and more changes that come into the game just make more of these situations instead of less. Pretty soon it will be pointless to PVP outside of Azura's and even in there at times there are people like this.

Takes-No-Prisoner

timidobserver wrote: »

I always enjoy watching people running burst builds in the burst meta get enraged when they run into people they can't burst. +1 to satisfaction if it is a stam burst build that is being denied.

I'll +1 to your +1 as well. As someone who runs DPS. When I can't out burst a tank? I just run away I don't understand folks who get their panties all torn over not being able to burst down a tank. If the tank is built properly, he'll never die from my burst. Fair enough for me then.

timidobserver

Valencer wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I always enjoy watching people running burst builds in the burst meta get enraged when they run into people they can't burst. +1 to satisfaction if it is a stam burst build that is being denied.

Your point would be valid if being unburstable required some actual thought to be put into the playstyle. Right now it is not so.

Burst and mobility are the only 2 tools people have to fight back against numbers since 1.6

Mobility is already as difficult as it can get with all the gap closer spam and general mobility nerfs. Do we really need people to become burst immune in small scale PvP by simply wearing a 2-piece set?

What point? I simply stating that I am entertained by people that get enraged at their inability to burst down a tank. Trying to burst down a group of tanks as described in the OP is even better.

Magus

The QQ is really starting to get pathetic. This is so reminiscent of noobs fighting melee against magDK closer to launch to feed them healing and ultimate and killing themselves on reflective scales. Heck, even today, you can still kill people with nothing other than reflective scales.

Malubeth + reactive is very tanky but it is not a full DPS spec nor is it a high sustain spec. It can have moderate damage but a stamplar's vigor ticks are higher than the pitiful puncturing sweeps damage this spec can put out.

I really didn't want to tell people how to counter this build but for the sake of preventing unnecessary nerfs over L2P issues I will. I'll give two hints. If you are melee and see a purple beam on you, hit purge. Yes, there is a cooldown and they are likely used to having the malubeth crutch - so when you deny it to them, they don't know what to do and will die easily enough. I have 0 issues killing a malubeth templar. Seriously. If that is too hard for you, then range him down with bombard to lock him down far away from you and hit him with 5+ snipes at once. Everyone zerg surfs and does faction vs faction battles these days, so that is easy enough to do with the amount of bow spam out there.

I play every class, magicka and stamina. I have never seen the crazy heals from malubeth either. There are other things going on that may not be noticing like they are being kept up by another templar. If you think this is so powerful, I recommend you try it and go solo without a group and see how long you last. Yes it will be fun to last 15 seconds instead of 3 but you can't do anything without a group or zerg behind you unless you are fighting potatoes that you would be able to highlight reel with any class/setup.

In the spirit of wanting to nerf everything in this game, I will make a separate post QQing about every tool in the 1vXer crowd and give helpful nerfs to those.

DannyLV702

Darn I was hoping for a video

WillhelmBlack

blabafat wrote: »

Tanking in pvp is a problem right now because it is skill-less. You can be out of stam and cced on the ground, but as long as you have malubeth and reactive, you will be fine. Resource management was already irrelevant for the most part. Running out of resources yet still living because of sets is only adding to that

This. ^

Tanking should require balls and skill like this...

https://youtu.be/AMLJZImQ5Xk

Talcyndl

In response to this issue ZOS plans a bold move. The other piece of Malubeth will be on sale at the PvP vendor this weekend.

WillhelmBlack

Talcyndl wrote: »

In response to this issue ZOS plans a bold move. The other piece of Malubeth will be on sale at the PvP vendor this weekend.

Also in impen.

Talcyndl

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

In response to this issue ZOS plans a bold move. The other piece of Malubeth will be on sale at the PvP vendor this weekend.

Also in impen.

ZOS is committed to providing the PvP'ers only the best gear.

Iyas

You really have to be a bad player if you to die to the dmg of a reactive malubeth templar. Every so called dps player have higher vigor ticks than jabs dmg.

Believe me Im totally annoyed by the tank meta. And Im maining a cancerplar atm. Heavy armor buff was to much. Do you want to know how im able to kill something? 5 ppl standing in front of me, taking my jabs and dont rebuff or heal. Or my sorc duo partner is destroying them while I tank like Im playing pve.

Minalan

This is ZOS and @Wrobel vision of the game. We all know @Wrobel is a halfwit incompetent, what do you expect?

Don't like it? Leave. Unsubscribe and stop paying them for this tragedy. When they lose enough people and money, they'll change it. Not until then.

I hate it, the only way around it is to join a huge organized TS group so that you can burst them down.

Forestd16b14_ESO

KEY WORD MALUBETH !!! Don't go blaming the tank playstlye for that cheese tanks do not need nerfed for that cheese build.

Forestd16b14_ESO

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Lol people denying an issue. Two or three BAD players should be able to kill one tank. If not then the game isn't working.

Tanks shouldn't be PvP viable unless it's it's at most one person he can tank

No ..... Just no .... It is that close minded why tanks got nerfed to begin with.

Rohamad_Ali

Malubeth and Reactive together form a new super strong and absorbent adult diaper for those that would normally poop their pants in the face of danger .

Zheg

Im in full agreement that malubeth needs reigning in. Its nothing like what it used to be - i ran it back beforr they bugged the heal and added major vitality potions.

HOWEVER. Those are less than 3 to 1 odds and good healers can keep people in 5 LA group builds alive against those odds. I feel pretty strongly that most of the good healers i know could keep that group alive with zero malubeth and still specced for slight dps. This is a bad example. Keep showing the bugged heals, thats what will bring about a change ( ... in 6 months...).

ScottK1994

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Lol people denying an issue. Two or three BAD players should be able to kill one tank. If not then the game isn't working.

Tanks shouldn't be PvP viable unless it's it's at most one person he can tank

No ..... Just no .... It is that close minded why tanks got nerfed to begin with.

Well in PvP they shouldn't be able to kill and tank, I was wrong with the terms. He shouldnt have a high damage output and a high defence. That's pretty simple stuff really

Derra

Iyas wrote: »

Were the tanks able to kill one of the DDs? If not, whats the problem?

You know very well that a tank that can keep everyone else alive is a problem mr malubethreactivetranmutationsupercancertemplar!!!

Docmandu

Think part of why you see so many malutard cheese, is that many people are tired of the easy one-shot stam builds.. neither is very healthy for the game imho.

Getting 30k damage dumped on you in the time the game registers a CC break, isn't fun.
Beating on a tank for 5 hours without making a dent isn't fun either.

Tythonis

I think another reason you see so many more Tank builds is that some are getting tired of the crazy burst in this game. Right now playing a Tank in PVP is one of the best ways to survive that crazy damage.

Morostyle

CC them til they run out of stamina? easy...
Btw Malubeth is purge-able.. fixed the malubeth issue

NBrookus

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tanks shouldn't be PvP viable unless it's it's at most one person he can tank

You're not a tank if you can only mitigate one other player's damage.

Mojomonkeyman

Morostyle wrote: »

CC them til they run out of stamina? easy...
Btw Malubeth is purge-able.. fixed the malubeth issue

Really? Show me how easy you beat my max abuse setup with purge and stam drain.... I really want to see that, Mr. "I fixed Malubeth"...

Magus

Morostyle wrote: »

CC them til they run out of stamina? easy...
Btw Malubeth is purge-able.. fixed the malubeth issue

Oh noes, somebody else figured out the hard counter to malubeth. Don't dogpile on the tank and purge the purple. lol