How strong is hardened ward in PvP with like ~50k Magicka?

Torbschka

Hey guys,

question above, I cant test it, beccause I dont have undaunted bonus etc.

Any1 knows that? Is it around 15k?

RadRzRg

Torbschka wrote: »

Hey guys,

question above, I cant test it, beccause I dont have undaunted bonus etc.

Any1 knows that? Is it around 15k?

It's around there. Ik that with 42k magicka dampen magic is 10k,so yeah I guess it's around there,with CPs even more.

Jsmalls

It's about 15k yes. I think i had 80 into bastion at 50k and it was 14.5k.

Torbschka

Thanks guys, lets start grinding undaunted to 9 any tips to do it faster except of the gold/silver dayli? Not really or, beside I can do all dungeons once there is no way to actually grind it like fighters guild, or?

Dracane

It will be around 15k.

Minute_Waltz

Torbschka wrote: »

Thanks guys, lets start grinding undaunted to 9 any tips to do it faster except of the gold/silver dayli? Not really or, beside I can do all dungeons once there is no way to actually grind it like fighters guild, or?

You can do speed/no death runs for extra undaunted xps, and also small things like eat pie in coa or read all stones in wgt.

Vercingetorix

With 100 Bastion and around 42k magicka, my hardened ward is a little over 26k. I would imagine that given how it scales up when I apply my food to hit 42k that having 50k magicka would yield roughly 30k shield strength.

Dracane

Vercingetorix wrote: »

With 100 Bastion and around 42k magicka, my hardened ward is a little over 26k. I would imagine that given how it scales up when I apply my food to hit 42k that having 50k magicka would yield roughly 30k shield strength.

It was a pvp question I suppose and shields are split into half in pvp.

Torbschka

Dracane wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

With 100 Bastion and around 42k magicka, my hardened ward is a little over 26k. I would imagine that given how it scales up when I apply my food to hit 42k that having 50k magicka would yield roughly 30k shield strength.

It was a pvp question I suppose and shields are split into half in pvp.

Yes, as mentioned in the title! Nevertheless, thanks for your answer! So with 50k Magicka I thing Hardened Ward is enough for PvP with Healing Ward if needed.

Curse, Dawnbreaker into Cfrag should kill "a normal PvP build (20-25k Life, 15-20 resis, 1,5-2k impen)" (all with Entropy buffed) with

~50k Mag
~3,3,k Spell Dmg (Dual wield 5% aswell).

Thanks^^

Dromede

Torbschka wrote: »

Thanks guys, lets start grinding undaunted to 9 any tips to do it faster except of the gold/silver dayli? Not really or, beside I can do all dungeons once there is no way to actually grind it like fighters guild, or?

Also, trials help. If you know a good group that does trials regularly, ask to be taken to normal versions of them. There's an achievement upon finishing each, plus do 1000000 or so damage/healing/blocking in trials, on top of speed achievement for each.

NMol might not count since it's hidden within Thieves Guild achievements list, but don't quote me on that. Aa, Helra and SO will count for sure.

Vaoh

Torbschka wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

With 100 Bastion and around 42k magicka, my hardened ward is a little over 26k. I would imagine that given how it scales up when I apply my food to hit 42k that having 50k magicka would yield roughly 30k shield strength.

It was a pvp question I suppose and shields are split into half in pvp.

Yes, as mentioned in the title! Nevertheless, thanks for your answer! So with 50k Magicka I thing Hardened Ward is enough for PvP with Healing Ward if needed.

Curse, Dawnbreaker into Cfrag should kill "normal" PvP build (all with Entropy buffed) with

~50k Mag
~3,3,k Spell Dmg (Dual wield 5% aswell).

Thanks^^

If you're running a PvP build, how exactly would you pull both 50K Max Magicka and 3.3K Spell Damage without having terrible Magicka Recovery? (Imperial Physique )

My Pet Sorc build will have very high Max Magicka next patch but I don't know about spell damage also being so high.

Torbschka

Doncellius wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

With 100 Bastion and around 42k magicka, my hardened ward is a little over 26k. I would imagine that given how it scales up when I apply my food to hit 42k that having 50k magicka would yield roughly 30k shield strength.

It was a pvp question I suppose and shields are split into half in pvp.

Yes, as mentioned in the title! Nevertheless, thanks for your answer! So with 50k Magicka I thing Hardened Ward is enough for PvP with Healing Ward if needed.

Curse, Dawnbreaker into Cfrag should kill "normal" PvP build (all with Entropy buffed) with

~50k Mag
~3,3,k Spell Dmg (Dual wield 5% aswell).

Thanks^^

If you're running a PvP build, how exactly would you pull both 50K Max Magicka and 3.3K Spell Damage without having terrible Magicka Recovery? (Imperial Physique )

very easy answer for me:

5x Julianos
5x Lich
3x Willpower

I have endless Magicka, 3,9k Mag reg with potion as Altmer. And with 50k Magicka it takes some time to drope again below 33% mag, because ur combo (entopry -> curse -> entropy -> dawnbreaker -> cfrag or /enropy cfrag dont cost much.

U can even run this with a Destro staff with 3k Spell dmg, just change 5x Julianos for 3x Vicious Death or 3x Magnus plus VSMA Staff. I just like dual wield playstyle more.

Vaoh

Torbschka wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

With 100 Bastion and around 42k magicka, my hardened ward is a little over 26k. I would imagine that given how it scales up when I apply my food to hit 42k that having 50k magicka would yield roughly 30k shield strength.

It was a pvp question I suppose and shields are split into half in pvp.

Yes, as mentioned in the title! Nevertheless, thanks for your answer! So with 50k Magicka I thing Hardened Ward is enough for PvP with Healing Ward if needed.

Curse, Dawnbreaker into Cfrag should kill "normal" PvP build (all with Entropy buffed) with

~50k Mag
~3,3,k Spell Dmg (Dual wield 5% aswell).

Thanks^^

If you're running a PvP build, how exactly would you pull both 50K Max Magicka and 3.3K Spell Damage without having terrible Magicka Recovery? (Imperial Physique )

very easy answer for me:

5x Julianos
5x Lich
3x Willpower

I have endless Magicka, 3,9k Mag reg with potion as Altmer. And with 50k Magicka it takes some time to drope again below 33% mag, because ur combo (entopry -> curse -> entropy -> dawnbreaker -> cfrag or /enropy cfrag dont cost much.

U can even run this with a Destro staff with 3k Spell dmg, just change 5x Julianos for 3x Vicious Death or 3x Magnus plus VSMA Staff. I just like dual wield playstyle more.

Oh man...

I have trouble believing you'd pull those stats, even if all Legendary.

If true, then using proper Max Magicka sets (ex, Necropotence) should hit far higher Max Magicka numbers.

I am going to make a Pet Build in Update 11. Hoped to hit 50K Max Magivka, but it seems 60K will be the new minimum I'll reach if what you say is true stat-wise.

Mac10murda

Around 6 seconds

Torbschka

It is, well to clarify I will run Toggles, BA and Inner Light on both bars, it will look like this:

Dual wield: Entropy, IL, BA, Curse, Frag, Dawnbreaker
Resto Bar: HW, IL, BA, Streak; HW, Overload (for mines primarly).

Mundus: Mage

Without Undaunted Passive I reach ~45k right now, with only 1 yellow enchant and gold armor piece. So with all Gold and the missing undaunted Bonus I think I will reach 50k.

Vaoh

Torbschka wrote: »

It is, well to clarify I will run Toggles, BA and Inner Light on both bars, it will look like this:

Dual wield: Entropy, IL, BA, Curse, Frag, Dawnbreaker
Resto Bar: HW, IL, BA, Streak; HW, Overload (for mines primarly).

Mundus: Mage

Without Undaunted Passive I reach ~45k right now, with only 1 yellow enchant and gold armor piece. So with all Gold and the missing undaunted Bonus I think I will reach 50k.

Could I see a pick of your stats plz?
• 50K Max Magick
• 3K Spell Damage
• 3.9K Magicka Regen
That surprises me. Even if you have 45K like you say since not everything is gold, I want to see it.

And with that many toggles, I feel you might be an easy kill if fighting a smart player. Then again, I center my playstyle around 1vX, meaning I need lots of flexibility instead of pure stats. Good for a group I guess.

Torbschka

Well, I can post it maybe tonight, right now I try to writing my master thesis heu hue

But Ive just found a Video with a guy running the same setup but with lower magicka and dont know his sets.

Youtube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=721-MfVtTXU&pxtry=1

But I can defnitely post you my stats in a few hours, like I said

45k Mag
3,x Spell dmg (dont know the exact number)
3,9k Mag reg.

Lets assume I have those stats (lol^^), would u think everything in gold with undaunted will bring me to the 50k? (yes I can make the 6% maths, but I dont know if its that easy (do they stick addititive?))

NBrookus

Torbschka wrote: »

5x Julianos
5x Lich
3x Willpower

I have endless Magicka, 3,9k Mag reg with potion as Altmer. And with 50k Magicka it takes some time to drope again below 33% mag, because ur combo (entopry -> curse -> entropy -> dawnbreaker -> cfrag or /enropy cfrag dont cost much.

I run this as a Breton, all legendary with 3 tri-stat glyphs and tri food. With Inner Light it's 42k Magicka; 2800 spell damage unbuffed (3800 buffed); 60+% crit.

To hit about 50k I'd have to run blue food plus Mage mundus and Bound Aegis and only magicka enchants. I'd rather have my wrath, defensive rune and extra stamina. The utility, for me, is more critical than a little extra damage; if you can't CC break you are a dead sorc. It still hits hard. Frags crit at 14k+. Entropy -> curse -> wrath -> frags will drop almost anyone if they don't respond fast.

Torbschka

NBrookus wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

5x Julianos
5x Lich
3x Willpower

I have endless Magicka, 3,9k Mag reg with potion as Altmer. And with 50k Magicka it takes some time to drope again below 33% mag, because ur combo (entopry -> curse -> entropy -> dawnbreaker -> cfrag or /enropy cfrag dont cost much.

I run this as a Breton, all legendary with 3 tri-stat glyphs and tri food. With Inner Light it's 42k Magicka; 2800 spell damage unbuffed (3800 buffed); 60+% crit.

To hit about 50k I'd have to run blue food plus Mage mundus and Bound Aegis and only magicka enchants. I'd rather have my wrath, defensive rune and extra stamina. The utility, for me, is more critical than a little extra damage; if you can't CC break you are a dead sorc. It still hits hard. Frags crit at 14k+. Entropy -> curse -> wrath -> frags will drop almost anyone if they don't respond fast.

Thanks for your answer. Yes I get your points, but its just a preference of me, I weaponswap every few seconds to apply my shield, so I was looking for something that just makes it viable with 1 shield.
And I will go for tri-stat-food, I guess u could achieve 50k mag with tri stat and mage mundus if you would have, as u said, boune aegis + all gold only magicka enchants.

I have also tested the thief, puts me also to 60% crit from 50% (with mage passive), I didnt think its worth it for me, but everyone plays different and thats a great thing ! ^^

Vaoh

Torbschka wrote: »

Well, I can post it maybe tonight, right now I try to writing my master thesis heu hue

But Ive just found a Video with a guy running the same setup but with lower magicka and dont know his sets.

Youtube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=721-MfVtTXU&pxtry=1

But I can defnitely post you my stats in a few hours, like I said

45k Mag
3,x Spell dmg (dont know the exact number)
3,9k Mag reg.

Lets assume I have those stats (lol^^), would u think everything in gold with undaunted will bring me to the 50k? (yes I can make the 6% maths, but I dont know if its that easy (do they stick addititive?))

Possibly. I think if the glyphs are gold, and your Infused/Divines gear further buff it, that 6% may hit 50K. Can't say for sure! Great stats, but the need for Toggles will hurt this build in solo PvP for sure.

Good luck on your thesis!

Torbschka

Doncellius wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Well, I can post it maybe tonight, right now I try to writing my master thesis heu hue

But Ive just found a Video with a guy running the same setup but with lower magicka and dont know his sets.

Youtube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=721-MfVtTXU&pxtry=1

But I can defnitely post you my stats in a few hours, like I said

45k Mag
3,x Spell dmg (dont know the exact number)
3,9k Mag reg.

Lets assume I have those stats (lol^^), would u think everything in gold with undaunted will bring me to the 50k? (yes I can make the 6% maths, but I dont know if its that easy (do they stick addititive?))

Possibly. I think if the glyphs are gold, and your Infused/Divines gear further buff it, that 6% may hit 50K. Can't say for sure! Great stats, but the need for Toggles will hurt this build in solo PvP for sure.

Good luck on your thesis!

I mostly play solo and right now have "great" succees with it , but its more like a run and gun playstyle.
Thank you!

Vaoh

Torbschka wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Well, I can post it maybe tonight, right now I try to writing my master thesis heu hue

But Ive just found a Video with a guy running the same setup but with lower magicka and dont know his sets.

Youtube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=721-MfVtTXU&pxtry=1

But I can defnitely post you my stats in a few hours, like I said

45k Mag
3,x Spell dmg (dont know the exact number)
3,9k Mag reg.

Lets assume I have those stats (lol^^), would u think everything in gold with undaunted will bring me to the 50k? (yes I can make the 6% maths, but I dont know if its that easy (do they stick addititive?))

Possibly. I think if the glyphs are gold, and your Infused/Divines gear further buff it, that 6% may hit 50K. Can't say for sure! Great stats, but the need for Toggles will hurt this build in solo PvP for sure.

Good luck on your thesis!

I mostly play solo and right now have "great" succees with it , but its more like a run and gun playstyle.
Thank you!

I play Magicka Sorc in a very mobile way. High regen, and often using Major Expedition running while Streak often. Still deal plenty of damage though. Fast-paced fighting is my forte in ESO and makes Vet Dungeons/Ra Kotu fun to solo.

I think it comes from playing games like Armored Core (same Devs as Dark Souls). Recently I've decided to stop playing all of my characters except for my Magicka Sorc, Stamina Sorc, and when race change comes Magicka Templar (cool way to play imo).

Armitas

You may not want to put everything in bastion because hardy/elemental defender work ahead of shields and provide mitigation for the shield.

Minalan

A shield that big isn't necessary because they only last six seconds. By the time the animation is done/cancelled it's around five or five and a half seconds left respectively. Shields are about how often you can afford to recast them, not how big they are.

If you're maxing out bastion without more points in Hardy and Elemental Defender, you're doing it wrong. Those two CP work on your health AND shields. Clever kids know to dump points into physical and magic resist long before you hit diminishing returns on bastion.

Hope that helps.

Torbschka

Minalan wrote: »

A shield that big isn't necessary because they only last six seconds. By the time the animation is done/cancelled it's around five or five and a half seconds left respectively. Shields are about how often you can afford to recast them, not how big they are.

If you're maxing out bastion without more points in Hardy and Elemental Defender, you're doing it wrong. Those two CP work on your health AND shields. Clever kids know to dump points into physical and magic resist long before you hit diminishing returns on bastion.

Hope that helps.

thats the whole point lol, for that reason I wanna rely on one shield and not about stacking it. In a 1v1 I dont care about the 6 seconds, I have to cast them every 3-4 seconds anyway, but a stronger shield would provide more safety in that case (if you are stunned, or u can stay 1 sec (thats much) on offense bar, etc.) Well, I will test it out, thank you guys all for your feedback !

Lexxypwns

Torbschka wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

A shield that big isn't necessary because they only last six seconds. By the time the animation is done/cancelled it's around five or five and a half seconds left respectively. Shields are about how often you can afford to recast them, not how big they are.

If you're maxing out bastion without more points in Hardy and Elemental Defender, you're doing it wrong. Those two CP work on your health AND shields. Clever kids know to dump points into physical and magic resist long before you hit diminishing returns on bastion.

Hope that helps.

thats the whole point lol, for that reason I wanna rely on one shield and not about stacking it. In a 1v1 I dont care about the 6 seconds, I have to cast them every 3-4 seconds anyway, but a stronger shield would provide more safety in that case (if you are stunned, or u can stay 1 sec (thats much) on offense bar, etc.) Well, I will test it out, thank you guys all for your feedback !

This build will work. You're gonna have struggles with dodge roll builds though, I'd probably just run meteor instead of dawnbreaker for more max magika and a ult that synergizes with your CP distribution more effectively