Please give KHAJIIT MAX HEALTH/MAGICKA instead of HEALTH REGEN @ERIC

susmitds

Currently Khajiit characters are totally pigeon holed to Stamina PvE DPS.
They are comparatively bad in PvP due to their passives being useless there (Except the stam regen).
They make the worst Magicka DPS characters as their passives are absolute useless in that regard (Except the stam regen).
They don't have any good tanking passive as well (The health recovery is useless unless it synergies with other racial passives like Max health).

THEY ARE THE ONLY RACE WITHOUT MAX STAT INCREASE.

HEALTH RECOVERY IS TOTALLY USELESS ON KHAJIIT AS UNLIKE ORC AND NORD, KHAJIIT DOES NOT GET ANYTHING LIKE MAX HEALTH, EXTRA HEALING TAKEN OR LESS DAMAGE TAKEN TO BACK IT UP...

While extra stamina is overkill on Khajiit, they are in dire need to a max stat to break free off the pigeonholing.

As such, 6% Max health or 9% Magicka would help them out much more than health recovery and would make them a bit more useful in PvP or tanking.


@Wrobel , @ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_GinaBruno

TrinityBreaker

You'd probably want to take this thread to PTS section, aslo


What do you mean, my friend
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Vildebill

Kammakazi

Ch4mpTW

So wait... You want the Khajiit race to be even more stronger than what it already is...? Are you serious, OP? Are you legitimately serious?

kongkim

TrinityBreaker

This gonna be gud. I'll get the popcorn.

FullBlownBeast

Dis a classico case of GIT GUD.

susmitds

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So wait... You want the Khajiit race to be even more stronger than what it already is...? Are you serious, OP? Are you legitimately serious?

Care to explain? Oh BTW you are still here?


You know right that the Crit Chance and health regen is useless in PvP. Khajiit is the best in Stam DPS PvE and useless everywhere else. Some extra health would help out tanks far more that the stupid health regen. Some extra magicka wont buff Stamina DPS but give a bit more use in PvP.

The Health Regen does not belong here, pretty anything else would be better.

Bad_Company

I support the changes being reverted from what they originally planned with Shadow of the Hist, Max Stamina was overkill. Max Health would be nice, but I don't see it coming. Max Magicka, instead, is completely out of question.

What could be done for Khajiit to be more versatile and appealing for Magicka classes would be to make the Carnage passive "global", meaning that the extra Crit Chance works both for Weapons and Staves.

Van_0S

Khajiit are pure stamina race and are excellent rogue's or nightblade's.
The bosmers should have magicka regen or max magicka, because they are elf's and they still use magic to make their houses.

I know, people will argue that even orcs are elf's but curse. But you should know that according to TES lore, Orc's hate sorcerer's or witch craft. So, hence they are pure stamina race.

Leon119

No they are fine as they are. They are the top PVE stam dps race. Making them the top in pvp too woul pretty much make sure nobody picked bosmer or redguards.
If u are a khajiit fanboy u would like this but think about it a bit openminded. This would kill diversity

Lumenn

Van_0S wrote: »

Khajiit are pure stamina race and are excellent rogue's or nightblade's.
The bosmers should have magicka regen or max magicka, because they are elf's and they still use magic to make their houses.

I know, people will argue that even orcs are elf's but curse. But you should know that according to TES lore, Orc's hate sorcerer's or witch craft. So, hence they are pure stamina race.

Agree on bosmer. They used to get a plus in alteration(oblivion I think) and their spinners use magicka. While they've never been known as battle mages they were awesome at illusion so the talent is there. Dark elves get plus magicka and stamina don't see why we couldn't get the regen of both instead of plus stamina max purposely designing us as 2nd best stamina in pve and PvP. But off my soapbox, whole different thread....

Shader_Shibes

I stopped reading after the first sentence.

psychotic13

yeah just make it weapon and spell crit

bertenburnyb16_ESO

"ow so YOUR passives are bad huh....?" Says the argonian

Draxys

By that logic, 3 other races are pigeon holed into magicka DPS, imperials into tanking, orcs into speed racers, and so on. Khajiit have a place, they have an inclination, just like all other races. They are perfectly fine as they are.

Wollust

Khajiit is fine

Praeficere

Khajiits are the only race limited to one role in PvE (other races having at least some form of max-stat or unique passive.)

Only one of their racial passives is worth it in PvP, the Stamina Regen - which is far from the sustain of Redguard/Bosmer.

Khajiits do need work on their passives as a whole, and to that guy, Argonians have been pretty decent for a while now.

Kalifas

You know something is off when the main thing people talk about is imbalanced racial passives years into a game's release.
The only things that might be talked about as much is Champion System and Performance issues.

It all boils down to the fact that Racials are locked and unless you spend money or re-roll from scratch you can't change it.

I ask the developers this. Do you know what you want from racials?

A)We want each race to be way stronger in a specific area and weaker in most other areas
B)We want each race to be stronger in a specific area but mostly similar in other areas
C)We want each race to be flavors with champion points, skills, and gear sets to be the huge difference

If you are A, you are never going to hear the end of racial rants
If you are B, you will still hear some racial rants but not as much
If you are C, you will not hear racial rants but a much more subtle dislike of every race being mostly flavors

Make a choice because it is not healthy for the (foundation-racials) to change back and forth more than a cross-dresser over 10 years. All this time spent revising foundation game system could be better spent creating new races, skill lines, classes, zones, and content.

I am fine with either A,B, or C but you are going to chap hides of people regardless of what you choose. I'd actually respect and be proud if you could somehow go with A or B and still keep mostly everyone happy. Option C would be the easy way out and while I might not be as proud or respect you as much for that, that would at least put you in parity with most other triple A generic mmos.

I put forward an idea of option A, with modifiers that allow you to get stronger in an area you are weaker in or become more powerful in an area you are strong in without the need to re-roll or buy changes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3138149/#Comment_3138149

I think a bigger issue is the Champion System. It's tuned to strong allowing players to be too self-efficient in dedicated group content.However if group content is not going to be a big thing, then I guess the Champion system is pretty awesome for solo or low man stuff.

JD2013

Different races have different talents.

If you want magicka, be an Altmer, Breton or Dunmer.

Toc de Malsvi

susmitds wrote: »

Currently Khajiit characters are totally pigeon holed to Stamina PvE DPS.
They are comparatively bad in PvP due to their passives being useless there (Except the stam regen).
They make the worst Magicka DPS characters as their passives are absolute useless in that regard (Except the stam regen).
They don't have any good tanking passive as well (The health recovery is useless unless it synergies with other racial passives like Max health).

THEY ARE THE ONLY RACE WITHOUT MAX STAT INCREASE.

HEALTH RECOVERY IS TOTALLY USELESS ON KHAJIIT AS UNLIKE ORC AND NORD, KHAJIIT DOES NOT GET ANYTHING LIKE MAX HEALTH, EXTRA HEALING TAKEN OR LESS DAMAGE TAKEN TO BACK IT UP...

While extra stamina is overkill on Khajiit, they are in dire need to a max stat to break free off the pigeonholing.

As such, 6% Max health or 9% Magicka would help them out much more than health recovery and would make them a bit more useful in PvP or tanking.


@Wrobel , @ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , @ZOS_GinaBruno

I agree with giving them max health, possibly even max magicka but to say that their passives are useless in PVP is not being honest. Damage from stealth and stealth detection reduction is ONLY useful in PVP, health and stamina recovery are also pretty much only useful in PVP. Weapon crit is not useless in PVP only diminished, you will still get more crits than any non khajits and crits still hit harder although maybe not as hard as you would like.

Kalifas

JD2013 wrote: »

Different races have different talents.

If you want magicka, be an Altmer, Breton or Dunmer.

Indeed. I'm just saying that if this is ZoS stance then they need to stick to ze guns and stop flip flopping. Or if they have had a change of heart, then get it fixed once and for all.

Wrobel should say" It is designed X way on purpose, deal with it or roll another race."

or

Wrobel should say" We are going to bring some parity to races but there will always be something you are not as good at as other races."

or

Wrobel should say" We are going to make races have parity, sorry to the people who loved exotic and unique passives."

Then let design follow that mantra and not revert. You might tick off some people, some people might quit. But at least the constant racial revisions would cease and desist.

the_man_of_steal

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hi Guys,

PLEASE give us 3% max STAM as a passive. The health Passive is not beneficial and Khajit's cannot complete with Redguards, Bosmers, or Orcs. Some of us really enjoy Khajit lore and chars I'm begging you to continue with your plans to make Khajit better!

Thank you

susmitds

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hi Guys,

PLEASE give us 3% max STAM as a passive. The health Passive is not beneficial and Khajit's cannot complete with Redguards, Bosmers, or Orcs. Some of us really enjoy Khajit lore and chars I'm begging you to continue with your plans to make Khajit better!

Thank you

Max stamina is overkill. Max health is the best option.

Tekyn

So you to get our crit nerfed? Because this is how you get our crit nerfed.

You can't have it all. Also, I haven't been on in a bit...did they changed the proposed new racials? Khajiit were slotted to get a buff with that anyway.

Tonnopesce

Who is Eric?

timidobserver

Health regen is indeed pretty useless there.

SanTii.92

You got to stop with this 'crit chance is useless on pvp' nonsense.

Tekyn

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3114246/#Comment_3114246

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

[*]Khajiit Skills

• Medium Armor Expertise: This passive ability has been renamed to “Cutpurse.” Also, in addition to the current benefit it now increases your chance to successfully pickpocket by 5%.
• Robust Constitution: This passive ability has been renamed to “Nimble.” Also, it no longer increases your Health Recovery by 6/13/20%. It now increases your Max Stamina by 2/4/6% and continues to increase your Stamina Recovery by 3/6/10%.

Did this get changed or did people forget?

Edit: Ah, there it is... 2.5.2 notes. I'm not surprised, it was going to make a silly imbalance.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]Khajiit

• Nimble: This passive ability’s recent change from granting a Health Recovery bonus to a Max Stamina bonus has been reverted. It now grants the same bonuses currently granted on the Live megaservers.

Forestd16b14_ESO

And here I am waiting for nord and orc buffs