Incapacitating Strike

gamerguy757

So I was practicing on my StamBlade last night, and I must say...I love this move. But it does need a change. I'm hitting 10k damage every time...THROUGH PEOPLE WITH IMPEN. And what makes it insane is that it does the same damage that Dawnbreaker and Take Flight does...so I feel that the 75 Ultimate is way to little. I used it once, and literally not one minute later is was ready again. I feel that this move's damage should remain, but it should be on par with the cost of the other Ultimates.
Also...am I supposed to be able to double stun someone? I Ambushed them, they broke free, then IS'ed them, and they were stunned again! I felt so bad.

Voxicity

Dawnbreaker can't be dodged

khele23eb17_ESO

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So I was practicing on my StamBlade last night, and I must say...I love this move. But it does need a change. I'm hitting 10k damage every time...THROUGH PEOPLE WITH IMPEN. And what makes it insane is that it does the same damage that Dawnbreaker and Take Flight does...so I feel that the 75 Ultimate is way to little.

Youre comparing a single target ability with aoe abilities.

Molag_Crow

The damage is pretty high for its ultimate cost especially after the nightblade uses Ambush to increase the damage of it by 20%, so it can be insane, but that's mainly when NBs stack 4-5k weapon damage... as controversial as this topic sounds, I agree... But so many angry NB defenders are on their way, so embrace yourself.

khele23eb17_ESO

Molag_Crow wrote: »

The damage is pretty high for its ultimate cost, but that's mainly when NBs stack 4-5k weapon damage... as controversial as this topic sounds, I agree... But so many angry NB defenders are on their way, so embrace yourself.

So aoe abilities and single target abilities with comparable damage should cost the same amount of resource?

Tryxus

It's a single target ability, and you have to be up really close to use it. The ability itself is fine, compared to other ultis out there.

Only thing I would change is the cost tho: from 50 to 75? Considering the NB passive Catalyst has been buffed in the past, and with Transfer assisting in Ulti generation

MaxwellC

Dawnbreaker can be dodged and so can a meteor; I've dodged them both before.

Voxicity

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Dawnbreaker can be dodged and so can a meteor; I've dodged them both before.

Are you sure? I wasn't aware of this, thanks for the info

Anti_Virus

Incap OP thread number 100000000.

Haquor

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So I was practicing on my StamBlade last night, and I must say...I love this move. But it does need a change. I'm hitting 10k damage every time...THROUGH PEOPLE WITH IMPEN. And what makes it insane is that it does the same damage that Dawnbreaker and Take Flight does...so I feel that the 75 Ultimate is way to little. I used it once, and literally not one minute later is was ready again. I feel that this move's damage should remain, but it should be on par with the cost of the other Ultimates.
Also...am I supposed to be able to double stun someone? I Ambushed them, they broke free, then IS'ed them, and they were stunned again! I felt so bad.

Im sorry man. Im just not buying the 'i love this move please nerf me' spin you put on this thread.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

Right now when I use it. I have an extremely high Miss chance. If I use it near a large group I am dead. Case in point just last night I used it on the EP EMP. AKA Frosty the Frozen Frosty from Frostyville. I ambushed into him awesome!!!. Then Incap MISSED. DRATS!! Then I was dead. So I get rezzed. Then work on building ulti. then I go hunting the emp again. Just to see Bloos at the same keep also hunting the Empypoo. I tried to avoid them as I wanted strawberries and not blueberries. So I tab target a red.I smash ambush.MISSS. Right into the pack of blues. I tried Incap and the MISS again then i died and the DC used me as rezz bait to kill many many many many of those that tried to come to my aid..When it connects I can see a stun but it does not always stun. Bomtard has a more reliable lock.But I do not use a bow anymore as it gets you lots of hate. not just blue text but your own faction looks at you as cowardly for using it. so now i'm using 2H including my off bar.

I also tried it the day before yesterday on ESSa-KH lol better bring more than Incap to that fight.In fact if I run through my kill logs I am most certainly to find that it was concealed weapon, or ambush that was the finisher and not IS.

I've used it on

Invictus
Haxus
a K-hole guy
Arcadian Knights
BFTP
Pact Militia

I play anywhere from 6 to 14 hours a day 5 -7 days a week NA PC TF so I use it alot. and it is not as "golden" as you make it out to be

Wait until you have used Incap strike through more than one campaign before you overstate it's value.Right now I think it is handing me to the wolves way more than it is dispatching them.

I actually trained up the fear and morphed it to mass hysterics just to have a way out after incap fails.

p.s

Why is this in the general forum and not the AVA forums? Or the PVP combat mechanics forums? You have been here more than a day OP so why?

Haquor

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Dawnbreaker can be dodged and so can a meteor; I've dodged them both before.

Not if they were actually aimed at you when fired.

Molag_Crow

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

The damage is pretty high for its ultimate cost, but that's mainly when NBs stack 4-5k weapon damage... as controversial as this topic sounds, I agree... But so many angry NB defenders are on their way, so embrace yourself.

So aoe abilities and single target abilities with comparable damage should cost the same amount of resource?

I edited my comment so what you quoted isn't so relevant, but! I personally think Ambush shouldn't empower the strike by 20% for starters...

Voxicity

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Dawnbreaker can be dodged and so can a meteor; I've dodged them both before.

Just tested and I'm pretty sure it can't be dodged as it's a conal AoE, not a single target skill. Obviously by dodged I meant dodge roll. Of course if you dodge yourself out of it's range before they use the attack then that would work, but I'm pretty sure the untouchable period during a dodge roll doesn't affect dawnbreaker.

Someone else feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

Not sure why your post got insightfuls when it's literally false information lol, weird

Detector

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So I was practicing on my StamBlade last night, and I must say...I love this move. But it does need a change. I'm hitting 10k damage every time...THROUGH PEOPLE WITH IMPEN. And what makes it insane is that it does the same damage that Dawnbreaker and Take Flight does...so I feel that the 75 Ultimate is way to little. I used it once, and literally not one minute later is was ready again. I feel that this move's damage should remain, but it should be on par with the cost of the other Ultimates.
Also...am I supposed to be able to double stun someone? I Ambushed them, they broke free, then IS'ed them, and they were stunned again! I felt so bad.

Dawnbreaker (dodge not help you, nice damage, AoE ) or overload (many shots, overdamage, restore resource) - it's more strong abilitys.

Shardaxx

You've got to be kidding me, its the only decent stam ultimate on offer, and only became decent about a month ago when they changed the damage from magic to disease. You want to nerf something, try dizzying swing.

How about the game actually has 50% physical based ultimates and 50% magic, that would be fair right? Because stams have so little choices its stupid.

So to summarise, I disagree with the OP. -1

Jaronking

KaiVox22 wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Dawnbreaker can be dodged and so can a meteor; I've dodged them both before.

Are you sure? I wasn't aware of this, thanks for the info

You can work like WB if you walk into the player you will dodge the DBOS and you have to time meteor to the last second before it land to dodge it.So its hard but not impossible.

Strider_Roshin

Honestly, people dodge that move so much it needs to be 50 ultimate.

Jaronking

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Honestly, people dodge that move so much it needs to be 50 ultimate.

That shuffle spam is this ability worst enemy.

Wollust

Dawnbreaker initial hit is not much less than incap, but leaves a strong dot. And it goes through dodge roll. I only use Incap for the debuff as I don't have access to one with 2h/Bow.
Dawnbreaker puts much more pressure in 1v1 and is endlessly more useful in 1vX and XvX.

Clarkieson

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So I was practicing on my StamBlade last night, and I must say...I love this move. But it does need a change. I'm hitting 10k damage every time...THROUGH PEOPLE WITH IMPEN. And what makes it insane is that it does the same damage that Dawnbreaker and Take Flight does...so I feel that the 75 Ultimate is way to little. I used it once, and literally not one minute later is was ready again. I feel that this move's damage should remain, but it should be on par with the cost of the other Ultimates.
Also...am I supposed to be able to double stun someone? I Ambushed them, they broke free, then IS'ed them, and they were stunned again! I felt so bad.

Enter the nighhtblade tears, i got my crafting bag ready to collect them all

you cant call for night blade nerfs on this forum as the floods of tears wipe out any hope of it.

you will have stirred up a hornets nest of crying no doubt

Voxicity

Clarkieson wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So I was practicing on my StamBlade last night, and I must say...I love this move. But it does need a change. I'm hitting 10k damage every time...THROUGH PEOPLE WITH IMPEN. And what makes it insane is that it does the same damage that Dawnbreaker and Take Flight does...so I feel that the 75 Ultimate is way to little. I used it once, and literally not one minute later is was ready again. I feel that this move's damage should remain, but it should be on par with the cost of the other Ultimates.
Also...am I supposed to be able to double stun someone? I Ambushed them, they broke free, then IS'ed them, and they were stunned again! I felt so bad.

Enter the nighhtblade tears, i got my crafting bag ready to collect them all

you cant call for night blade nerfs on this forum as the floods of tears wipe out any hope of it.

you will have stirred up a hornets nest of crying no doubt

I don't see much crying on this thread to be fair, just people giving examples of ultimates that are far superior to IS.

Ackwalan

No matter how you try and disguise this, it's just another nerf post.

UltimaJoe777

Molag_Crow wrote: »

The damage is pretty high for its ultimate cost especially after the nightblade uses Ambush to increase the damage of it by 20%, so it can be insane, but that's mainly when NBs stack 4-5k weapon damage... as controversial as this topic sounds, I agree... But so many angry NB defenders are on their way, so embrace yourself.

I am a Nightblade and I honestly have no complaints about Incapacitating Strike. However, I do not judge those that do have complaints.

NinjaApacHe

OP I'm sure of 2 things:
1- You do not have a Nb. But you have been ganked because of your l2p issues.
2 - You are a troll

Rohamad_Ali

So much empathy in PvP these days . It's heart touching .

Thread #4 "Confessions of a Incap Strike killer"

Alcast

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Dawnbreaker can be dodged and so can a meteor; I've dodged them both before.

nope

Rohamad_Ali

Alcast wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Dawnbreaker can be dodged and so can a meteor; I've dodged them both before.

nope

Alcast , please talk some sense into people . I'm so tired .

Tryxus

Oh, Dawnbreaker of Smiting is such a wonderful skill: extra weapon damage, knockdown, DoT, undodgeable AoE ultimate, ...

Wait, what were we talking about here?

drumbendrum_ESO

It's a bit much it needs to be toned down and dawnbresker needs to have ultimate increase to 150.

And to the OP yeah I'm taking 10k hits with it with 2200 crit resist currently.

KenaPKK

Incap needs the stun change reverted. Make people think before using it.

Other than that it's fine. A slight block or dodge, and it'll do next to no damage. Nightblades should have this kind of single target damage. Build tankier and be ready for it. L2counteray

Dawnbreaker isn't a class skill, hits almost as much bust and even more damage with its dot, and is aoe. It's a bigger problem.

But honestly, neither of these abilities is game breaking. I'd say just leave them until we deal with things like Bombard, Malubeth, and Radiant.