Maybe Tweak Malubeth?

Mashille

I was going around in IC today with my Heavy Armour Stam DK.

I got ganked by a Magicka Nightblade and his Malubeth Set procced on me. I don't do massive burst damage but rather wear down targets over time, however due to the use of Maulbeth I could not deal enough damage to kill him, I could not break it by getting away as he would just Teleport to me. He then killed me.

Later on the exact same Magicka Nightblade jumped me again, his Malubeth didn't proc and after a medium length fight I killed him.

This makes me think that Malubeth could use a tweak or two. Perhaps lower it's effectiveness slightly but at the same time increase it's proc chance so it's more reliable. Even if it is only changed in PvP.

Thoughts?

Lord_Eomer

I can see how average magicka nb are comparing Stamina builds..

You should doge roll to get away and break beam.

Sandman929

I think we need to hear something official about Malubeth performance because this is the 100th post on the topic. Some say it's fine, some say it isn't, apparently both sides of the debate are "scrubs". I don't wear it anymore because I don't like exploits, perceived or otherwise, but I'd like to know if the set is working as ZOS intends rather than as other players think it should.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Malubeth is the " cheese build of the update " right now and the best solution for now is use major and minor defile.
Other than that get a zerg to out DPS the healing.

Mashille

@Lord_Dexter

Yeah, it's really not that simple to get away from.

@Forestd16b14_ESO

I was using Major Defile through Reverb Bash but it wasn't enough.

Lord_Eomer

Mashille wrote: »

@Lord_Dexter

Yeah, it's really not that simple to get away from.

@Forestd16b14_ESO

I was using Major Defile through Reverb Bash but it wasn't enough.

Maye be you were also snared, my player died with this beam once only that time I got stunned first..

Dodgeroll works good for me, definitely u also need to heal to survive earlier took damage. U shld also root or snare other player to plan timely escape from beam..

Unsent.Soul

Out of 2 lengthy fights it proc'd once and your asking for changes? You lost 1 out of 2 fights and something needs to change?

Forestd16b14_ESO

Mashille wrote: »

@Lord_Dexter

Yeah, it's really not that simple to get away from.

@Forestd16b14_ESO

I was using Major Defile through Reverb Bash but it wasn't enough.

Then I got nothing try adding minor defile through defiling poison ?

Mashille

@Lord_Dexter

You don't need to give me PvP tips. I do know how to play. And yes, I was also slowed due to Lotus Fan. Edit: Sorry, that seemed a bit rude thanks for the tips, but don't worry

@Unsent.Soul

This is not the first time I have been annoyed by this set, just the first thread I made on it. I used this as a simple example as it shows how hit and miss the set can be.

Sandman929

I was wearing Malubeth on my sap tank, very powerful since every attack I did healed me and with 30% increased healing while the beam held it took a good amount of people to bring me down. And it's definitely not easy to break the beam because Lotus Fan will find you where ever you run.
Until I hear something official about the set, it's back in the bank though.

Lord_Eomer

Mashille wrote: »

@Lord_Dexter

Dude, you don't need to give me PvP tips. I do know how to play. I was also slowed due to Lotus Fan. Edit: Sorry, that seemed a bit rude thanks for the tips, but don't worry

@Unsent.Soul

This is not the first time I have been annoyed by this set, just the first thread I made on it. I used this as a simple example as it shows how hit and miss the set can be.

If u were snared and dot then u were obviously gonna had tough time.

I do not agree to nerf this set, If it has some problem then Developers should fix..

Mashille

@Lord_Dexter

I'm not saying to directly nerf it. Turning up the proc chance while slightly toning down healing the should keep it at a similar potency to what it was before.

Lord_Eomer

Mashille wrote: »

@Lord_Dexter

I'm not saying to directly nerf it. Turning up the proc chance while slightly toning down the should keep it at a similar potency to what it was before.

There are only 6% chance to proc, it's already very lower.

Asmael

I don't know the state of Malu on console (as in, its exact behavior), on PC however, from what I've seen, Malubeth scales with the number of targets. It will always tick at the same rate, but the +30% extra healing seems to have a chance to proc for every single target, hence why I couldn't replicate the huge numbers on one target.

So basically, if 10 targets are hitting you within range, you get a potential +300% healing received. Not bad... The only case where Malubeth truly works "as intended" is when you're facing a single opponent.

Mashille

@Lord_Dexter

I said to increase the proc chance

NBrookus

Sandman929 wrote: »

I think we need to hear something official about Malubeth performance because this is the 100th post on the topic. Some say it's fine, some say it isn't, apparently both sides of the debate are "scrubs". I don't wear it anymore because I don't like exploits, perceived or otherwise, but I'd like to know if the set is working as ZOS intends rather than as other players think it should.

A friend was testing it last night. All okay, 1k healing ticks, them bam, there'd be a couple of 9k ticks. If this is working as intended, we need ZOS to say so, but it doesn't smell right.

Hellbender27

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Out of 2 lengthy fights it proc'd once and your asking for changes? You lost 1 out of 2 fights and something needs to change?[/q

This .... I was thinking the same thing. I guess in OP's mind he feels he should have beat him both times but then I am sure the NB was saying to his self .....damn the DK was wearing ( X ) and I could not kill him that last time the first time my MAL proced and saved me....................

UltimaJoe777

Zenimax already knows Malubeth has an issue that needs fixing and once it is it should seem considerably less op than it does now.

Sandman929

They do? Is there a link to this admission? Because all I've seen is that it was "fixed" in the last patch.

Mashille

@hellbender27b14_ESO

Read my above response to that statement which people are blindly just agreeing with. This is by no means my first few encounters with Malubeth. The time I used as an example was just to present how the Set seemed very Hit / Miss. I have fought lots of people with Malubeth and it screws me everytime since I use heavy armour and cannot do burst damage.

The seconds fight where you jumped me there was little competition and I beat him with little issues. Due to this being the case and seeing so many other people get so much more powerful due to Malubeth I thought that it might be a good idea to increase the proc chance so it is more reliable however also decrease how much healing it provides so it does not make you invincible when fighting someone who does not deal Burst Damage.

Hope that clarifies.

UltimaJoe777

Sandman929 wrote: »

They do? Is there a link to this admission? Because all I've seen is that it was "fixed" in the last patch.

If it was fixed then great but as for a link all I can suggest is search around the forums as I would have to do the same to acquire it.

hrothbern

NBrookus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I think we need to hear something official about Malubeth performance because this is the 100th post on the topic. Some say it's fine, some say it isn't, apparently both sides of the debate are "scrubs". I don't wear it anymore because I don't like exploits, perceived or otherwise, but I'd like to know if the set is working as ZOS intends rather than as other players think it should.

A friend was testing it last night. All okay, 1k healing ticks, them bam, there'd be a couple of 9k ticks. If this is working as intended, we need ZOS to say so, but it doesn't smell right.

Can your friend test again and make a vid of it

I would really appreciate that.
I can wear Malubeth on one of my builds and I do not because it is so cheesy
But it really fits perfect with the total concept of that build
Also when the bug is tackled and the set is somewhat tweaked down
Now I have to wait until ZOS has tackled the bug.......... wait for how long ???

We need facts,
we need to demonstrate the issue with facts !
We need a vid from somebody wearing it with those high ticks
and those sudden high healing ticks, without the player using other heals, CANNOT come from the game mechanics of Malubeth as intended.

EDIT
and @ZOS_Finn , I think one of the posts is right, it starts about getting time that ZOS comes with a statement about a bug investigation on this set.

Bdawwg

Seen it in practice a number of times. You'll get them to 20% execute be firing off your executes and bam. Purple beam, next thing you know your health is dropping slowly and they're back to full health in seconds.
There's a reason why there are tonnes of threads about this.

Voxicity

To be fair, malubeth is fine when used by a burst damage person. The chance for it to proc before you kill them isn't that high anyway. But when it's used by a tanky ass DK or templar it's just a mess and I usually just leave the fight if I see it proc against one of them.

KenaPKK

Malubeth is currently bugged.

Without changing builds, sometimes it procs for 500 heal per second (which lines up with the damage), and sometimes it procs for 14k+ heals per second.

It's literally a bugged set. I've worn it since the fall, and it just started behaving this way in the last two patches. Naturally, I stopped wearing it...

NBrookus

hrothbern wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I think we need to hear something official about Malubeth performance because this is the 100th post on the topic. Some say it's fine, some say it isn't, apparently both sides of the debate are "scrubs". I don't wear it anymore because I don't like exploits, perceived or otherwise, but I'd like to know if the set is working as ZOS intends rather than as other players think it should.

A friend was testing it last night. All okay, 1k healing ticks, them bam, there'd be a couple of 9k ticks. If this is working as intended, we need ZOS to say so, but it doesn't smell right.

Can your friend test again and make a vid of it

<snipage>

We need facts,
we need to demonstrate the issue with facts !
We need a vid from somebody wearing it with those high ticks
and those sudden high healing ticks, without the player using other heals, CANNOT come from the game mechanics of Malubeth as intended.

EDIT
and @ZOS_Finn , I think one of the posts is right, it starts about getting time that ZOS comes with a statement about a bug investigation on this set.

It wasn't an organized test, just reading through logs after fights.

If anyone on PC NA that is EP or AD wants to beat on my tank for a while to get some logged video, I will be happy to meet up with you and get some tests going.

hrothbern

NBrookus wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I think we need to hear something official about Malubeth performance because this is the 100th post on the topic. Some say it's fine, some say it isn't, apparently both sides of the debate are "scrubs". I don't wear it anymore because I don't like exploits, perceived or otherwise, but I'd like to know if the set is working as ZOS intends rather than as other players think it should.

A friend was testing it last night. All okay, 1k healing ticks, them bam, there'd be a couple of 9k ticks. If this is working as intended, we need ZOS to say so, but it doesn't smell right.

Can your friend test again and make a vid of it

<snipage>

We need facts,
we need to demonstrate the issue with facts !
We need a vid from somebody wearing it with those high ticks
and those sudden high healing ticks, without the player using other heals, CANNOT come from the game mechanics of Malubeth as intended.

EDIT
and @ZOS_Finn , I think one of the posts is right, it starts about getting time that ZOS comes with a statement about a bug investigation on this set.

It wasn't an organized test, just reading through logs after fights.

If anyone on PC NA that is EP or AD wants to beat on my tank for a while to get some logged video, I will be happy to meet up with you and get some tests going.

Good idea

I am EP, so that should work.
I send you a message to get a time and a place

hrothbern

hrothbern wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I think we need to hear something official about Malubeth performance because this is the 100th post on the topic. Some say it's fine, some say it isn't, apparently both sides of the debate are "scrubs". I don't wear it anymore because I don't like exploits, perceived or otherwise, but I'd like to know if the set is working as ZOS intends rather than as other players think it should.

A friend was testing it last night. All okay, 1k healing ticks, them bam, there'd be a couple of 9k ticks. If this is working as intended, we need ZOS to say so, but it doesn't smell right.

Can your friend test again and make a vid of it

<snipage>

We need facts,
we need to demonstrate the issue with facts !
We need a vid from somebody wearing it with those high ticks
and those sudden high healing ticks, without the player using other heals, CANNOT come from the game mechanics of Malubeth as intended.

EDIT
and @ZOS_Finn , I think one of the posts is right, it starts about getting time that ZOS comes with a statement about a bug investigation on this set.

It wasn't an organized test, just reading through logs after fights.

If anyone on PC NA that is EP or AD wants to beat on my tank for a while to get some logged video, I will be happy to meet up with you and get some tests going.

Good idea

I am EP, so that should work.
I send you a message to get a time and a place

@NBrookus ,

oops, I am PC EU

So anyone in PC NA for testing with @NBrookus , or in PC EU for testing with me ?