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Be Honest... Sorcerers Got Hit Too Hard? (or didn't)
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling
As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
You're either being incredibly condescending or you're Tallulah Bankhead. "Darling"? Try "Dahling".
I am Tallulah Bankhead:) -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
You're either being incredibly condescending or you're Tallulah Bankhead. "Darling"? Try "Dahling".
I am Tallulah Bankhead:)
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wut wut in the but?
Oh I see what I did there.
Obviously Hardened Ward always been useful agains't everyone. Durp.
I still did prioritized Harness Magicka before Ward mid-fight if fighting a magicka build.
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Xundiin✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.#SavePlayer1 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.
Honey buns if you used this build prior to DB then you're a baddie that couldnt pull 25k on bloodspawn...this build wasnt viable before DB. Also since you say you use it before DB, do you have any videos dated from before DB that prove that? Dearest cutie pie do be a doll and stop spouting nonsense, all sorcs utilize the same skill set, to say that for a build to be original you have to not use sorcs skills would mean that there are no original sorc builds in existence. Also baby I never claimed to be the best sorc out there. The only thing I claim is that I came up with it first and that it does amazing damage. -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.
Honey buns if you used this build prior to DB then you're a baddie that couldnt pull 25k on bloodspawn...this build wasnt viable before DB. Also since you say you use it before DB, do you have any videos dated from before DB that prove that? Dearest cutie pie do be a doll and stop spouting nonsense, all sorcs utilize the same skill set, to say that for a build to be original you have to not use sorcs skills would mean that there are no original sorc builds in existence. Also baby I never claimed to be the best sorc out there. The only thing I claim is that I came up with it first and that it does amazing damage.
if you say so cupcake. Apparently because you think you did it first means everyone else is wrong. You and Deltia have the same mindset it would seem since he takes other peoples ideas than claims them his.
All sorcs where using LL, EB, and BS. A lot of sorcs where also using lightning staves after the heavy attack nerf since partial heavies no longer got the bonus. So no you where not the first to come up with this play style.Edited by Xundiin on July 19, 2016 4:32PM#SavePlayer1 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.
Honey buns if you used this build prior to DB then you're a baddie that couldnt pull 25k on bloodspawn...this build wasnt viable before DB. Also since you say you use it before DB, do you have any videos dated from before DB that prove that? Dearest cutie pie do be a doll and stop spouting nonsense, all sorcs utilize the same skill set, to say that for a build to be original you have to not use sorcs skills would mean that there are no original sorc builds in existence. Also baby I never claimed to be the best sorc out there. The only thing I claim is that I came up with it first and that it does amazing damage.
if you say so cupcake. Apparently because you think you did it first means everyone else is wrong. You and Deltia have the same mindset it would seem since he takes other peoples ideas than claims them his.
All sorcs where using LL, EB, and BS. A lot of sorcs where also using lightning staves after the heavy attack nerf since partial heavies no longer got the bonus. So no you where not the first to come up with this play style.
No one was using Lightning Staff as a main spammable honey boo boo....again you have any videos that prove that Im lying? Also I have no idea what you're talking about with partial heavies and all that. All end game meta sorcs used force pulse/frags last patch with either Kena or Nerieneth...if you did something different then your dps was bad...that was the only way to sorc well in PvE....alright sweat pea? -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.
Honey buns if you used this build prior to DB then you're a baddie that couldnt pull 25k on bloodspawn...this build wasnt viable before DB. Also since you say you use it before DB, do you have any videos dated from before DB that prove that? Dearest cutie pie do be a doll and stop spouting nonsense, all sorcs utilize the same skill set, to say that for a build to be original you have to not use sorcs skills would mean that there are no original sorc builds in existence. Also baby I never claimed to be the best sorc out there. The only thing I claim is that I came up with it first and that it does amazing damage.
if you say so cupcake. Apparently because you think you did it first means everyone else is wrong. You and Deltia have the same mindset it would seem since he takes other peoples ideas than claims them his.
All sorcs where using LL, EB, and BS. A lot of sorcs where also using lightning staves after the heavy attack nerf since partial heavies no longer got the bonus. So no you where not the first to come up with this play style.
No one was using Lightning Staff as a main spammable honey boo boo....again you have any videos that prove that Im lying? Also I have no idea what you're talking about with partial heavies and all that. All end game meta sorcs used force pulse/frags last patch with either Kena or Nerieneth...if you did something different then your dps was bad...that was the only way to sorc well in PvE....alright sweat pea?
Way to show you know nothing sugar ***. One the most used meta top DPS builds put written up by a Hodor sorc Yolo, weaved light/medium attacks into their rotation.... good job. Guess they are bad because they weaved. /facepalm.
I used lightning staff after the heavy attack nerf, the nerf that made it so partial heavy attack channels no longer benefit from the heavy attack bonus damage.... again way to show you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Why should I show you a video of me using a lightning stafff? Why? Is it to hard for your small brain to consider the fact that people might have had the same idea you did before you? Or are you so conceded and arrogant that no one does any thing until you post it?
Also... Place LL, BE, and BS. Stand next to boss so BS hits it, spam force pulse, light attack,force pulse unless you get a Crystal frags proc.... yes I know the rotation. The fact that you think LL, BE, and BS weren't used before your build is laughable on top of the fact that lightning staff wasn't used.#SavePlayer1 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.
Honey buns if you used this build prior to DB then you're a baddie that couldnt pull 25k on bloodspawn...this build wasnt viable before DB. Also since you say you use it before DB, do you have any videos dated from before DB that prove that? Dearest cutie pie do be a doll and stop spouting nonsense, all sorcs utilize the same skill set, to say that for a build to be original you have to not use sorcs skills would mean that there are no original sorc builds in existence. Also baby I never claimed to be the best sorc out there. The only thing I claim is that I came up with it first and that it does amazing damage.
if you say so cupcake. Apparently because you think you did it first means everyone else is wrong. You and Deltia have the same mindset it would seem since he takes other peoples ideas than claims them his.
All sorcs where using LL, EB, and BS. A lot of sorcs where also using lightning staves after the heavy attack nerf since partial heavies no longer got the bonus. So no you where not the first to come up with this play style.
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iam117✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.
Honey buns if you used this build prior to DB then you're a baddie that couldnt pull 25k on bloodspawn...this build wasnt viable before DB. Also since you say you use it before DB, do you have any videos dated from before DB that prove that? Dearest cutie pie do be a doll and stop spouting nonsense, all sorcs utilize the same skill set, to say that for a build to be original you have to not use sorcs skills would mean that there are no original sorc builds in existence. Also baby I never claimed to be the best sorc out there. The only thing I claim is that I came up with it first and that it does amazing damage.
if you say so cupcake. Apparently because you think you did it first means everyone else is wrong. You and Deltia have the same mindset it would seem since he takes other peoples ideas than claims them his.
All sorcs where using LL, EB, and BS. A lot of sorcs where also using lightning staves after the heavy attack nerf since partial heavies no longer got the bonus. So no you where not the first to come up with this play style.
No one was using Lightning Staff as a main spammable honey boo boo....again you have any videos that prove that Im lying? Also I have no idea what you're talking about with partial heavies and all that. All end game meta sorcs used force pulse/frags last patch with either Kena or Nerieneth...if you did something different then your dps was bad...that was the only way to sorc well in PvE....alright sweat pea?
Way to show you know nothing sugar ***. One the most used meta top DPS builds put written up by a Hodor sorc Yolo, weaved light/medium attacks into their rotation.... good job. Guess they are bad because they weaved. /facepalm.
I used lightning staff after the heavy attack nerf, the nerf that made it so partial heavy attack channels no longer benefit from the heavy attack bonus damage.... again way to show you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Why should I show you a video of me using a lightning stafff? Why? Is it to hard for your small brain to consider the fact that people might have had the same idea you did before you? Or are you so conceded and arrogant that no one does any thing until you post it?
Also... Place LL, BE, and BS. Stand next to boss so BS hits it, spam force pulse, light attack,force pulse unless you get a Crystal frags proc.... yes I know the rotation. The fact that you think LL, BE, and BS weren't used before your build is laughable on top of the fact that lightning staff wasn't used.
Your missing the point, yet again, no one said those skills were not used. No one was using them with lightning channels. As for your comment on what the meta used to be again reading the statements wrong. Everyone used animation canceling, of course, light weaves for kena, medium weaves for neri. Why we're you using lightning? Infern was bis because of woe. Lightning didn't come close. Recheck the builds you listed. Also were you running around channeling soul assault with lightning heavies? I suppose you used shock clench as well. Of course the sorc dots were used, that's what skills there are to use. The build is unique, and plays completely different to the fp frags build, completely different.<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
We haven't been medium weaving since the heavy attack nerf to destro staff. Using lightning was popular before DB. Liquid lightning, Elemental blockade, and Boundless storm has been the the meta for sorcs in trials since..... forever? You may have used different sets than what was considered meta, but your skills haven't changed... that doesn't make an entirely new and unique build.
Aww honey, clearly you don't do any endgame PvE...I've never seen anyone in any endgame PvE do what my build calls for until DB and it is because it wasn't viable, as in your damage was utter crap. You specifically need infal to make it work. So you're straight up lying, which is fine darling As for using the same skills, a sorc has 15 skills total outside of ultis, all builds use a combination of some of those skills. No one was doing the combination of skills/rotation/gear that is in my build...nothing even remotely aimilar baby....you can continue to make false statements regarding this, but that doesn't change the facts...try again cutie:)
Listen sweet cheeks, I know you want to pretend you are a special snowflake and all, but the truth is... it was being done long before you posted your build. The fact that I was doing it before TG.... But yeah lets just pretend that you magically pulled those sets of skills and used them where other sorcs didn't even have a clue that they existed and pretend you are the king of all sorc builds and because you posted it first that means no one else.... ever was doing it long before you.
I want your drugs, or to be transferred into your special realm of delusion.
Honey buns if you used this build prior to DB then you're a baddie that couldnt pull 25k on bloodspawn...this build wasnt viable before DB. Also since you say you use it before DB, do you have any videos dated from before DB that prove that? Dearest cutie pie do be a doll and stop spouting nonsense, all sorcs utilize the same skill set, to say that for a build to be original you have to not use sorcs skills would mean that there are no original sorc builds in existence. Also baby I never claimed to be the best sorc out there. The only thing I claim is that I came up with it first and that it does amazing damage.
if you say so cupcake. Apparently because you think you did it first means everyone else is wrong. You and Deltia have the same mindset it would seem since he takes other peoples ideas than claims them his.
All sorcs where using LL, EB, and BS. A lot of sorcs where also using lightning staves after the heavy attack nerf since partial heavies no longer got the bonus. So no you where not the first to come up with this play style.
No one was using Lightning Staff as a main spammable honey boo boo....again you have any videos that prove that Im lying? Also I have no idea what you're talking about with partial heavies and all that. All end game meta sorcs used force pulse/frags last patch with either Kena or Nerieneth...if you did something different then your dps was bad...that was the only way to sorc well in PvE....alright sweat pea?
Way to show you know nothing sugar ***. One the most used meta top DPS builds put written up by a Hodor sorc Yolo, weaved light/medium attacks into their rotation.... good job. Guess they are bad because they weaved. /facepalm.
I used lightning staff after the heavy attack nerf, the nerf that made it so partial heavy attack channels no longer benefit from the heavy attack bonus damage.... again way to show you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Why should I show you a video of me using a lightning stafff? Why? Is it to hard for your small brain to consider the fact that people might have had the same idea you did before you? Or are you so conceded and arrogant that no one does any thing until you post it?
Also... Place LL, BE, and BS. Stand next to boss so BS hits it, spam force pulse, light attack,force pulse unless you get a Crystal frags proc.... yes I know the rotation. The fact that you think LL, BE, and BS weren't used before your build is laughable on top of the fact that lightning staff wasn't used.
Again.....baby bee...no one was using Fully Charged heavy attacks as a main damage source. Also yolo isnt using a lightning staff...what are you talking about? As for people having a similar idea, I am sure they did, but before this patch it was not a viable option, because the damage even with a vMA staff is subpar. the only set making it worthwhile to use this in endgame is infal. Without infal my build couldnt break 25k on bloodspawn.
Why are you spouting nonsense? Where have i ever mentioned that these skills werent used...I said that the way i use them and the specific rotation I use them in is unique. Skills are like words and rotation is like a sentence, just cause we use the same words doesnt mean we form the same sentences...
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
Optimization of rotation matters, of course, I never claimed otherwise. But on your other post I replied to, you claimed you were not using the same skills and same role on your sorcerer and the problem was lack of creativity of the players, not the lack of variety of the sorcerers. But the skills you are using on that build and the role it was made for are precisely what the sorcerers have been pigeonholed into doing. But as I said before, your own spin you added to it was nice, like no weaving and no overload. I didn't mean to offend you.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
I'm not sure you know the facts. Fact is no one was using (or very very few people) were using a Lightning staff until he published this build for his sorc and his DK. You can also easily see post dates.
The fact the build utilizes sets and a certain rotation is what makes it unique. All NB's use the same abilities, but the way they use (rotation) is what can make it unique. Check your facts before you start spouting non sense.
The person I replied to claimed he wasn't using the same skills, which wasn't the case in the end. That is pretty straightforward, I don't see how that can be considered "nonsense". NBs have a little more freedom regarding their skill bars depending of what you want to do with them, and are a more forgiving class altogether.
Regarding the use of Lightning Staves, that wasn't what I observed in game, but whatever. We have different sample groups I assume.
My complaint regarding sorcerers is precisely how only a handful of class skills are used. I believe there is a recent thread speaking of the Pets problem that addresses that issue too.
I mean if we use your logic then all builds are the same by definition since there are so few skills you can actually use. If you want to use semantics then there are no original builds at all. But that's nothe how it works. My build has no spammable and uses heavy attacks...that is something no one was doing before it was posted.
Not exactly what I was saying. Like, with Magicka Sorcerer, there are a few skills that every Magicka Sorcerer that I bump into will have on their bar (by that I mean that it will be hard to find Sorcerers who do not use those same skills, not that there is little overlapping, that's the complete opposite. I don't know if my phrasing is clear, sorry). There is little variation without sacrificing performance, because of the way the class is built. With Magicka NB or Magicka Templar, I can have remarkably different flavours to the class, including playing them on different roles (in my experience, Magicka DK's situation is similar to Magicka Sorcerer where skill diversity is regarded and it has a worse performance on the same role, but this discussion isn't about them). I am not discussing semantics, it was pretty straightforward: You said you were using different skills, I said the skills you are using are going to be found on the bar of any and every Magicka Sorcerer:
You use them differently because you do not use a spammable? That's great too, but it still isn't the issue. I don't want to use the same four~five skills and play the same role on both of my Magicka Sorcerers or to suck otherwise, that's the point I am discussing, you see. I understand the differences between your build and what is commonly done and I recognized them, that's great, I love that it doesn't use overload, but it doesn't address the issue I am observing.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Edit: I noticed you got into an argument with someone else, so I will just drop it here before I get dragged into it too.Edited by Abeille on July 19, 2016 5:22PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will. -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
Optimization of rotation matters, of course, I never claimed otherwise. But on your other post I replied to, you claimed you were not using the same skills and same role on your sorcerer and the problem was lack of creativity of the players, not the lack of variety of the sorcerers. But the skills you are using on that build and the role it was made for are precisely what the sorcerers have been pigeonholed into doing. But as I said before, your own spin you added to it was nice, like no weaving and no overload. I didn't mean to offend you.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
I'm not sure you know the facts. Fact is no one was using (or very very few people) were using a Lightning staff until he published this build for his sorc and his DK. You can also easily see post dates.
The fact the build utilizes sets and a certain rotation is what makes it unique. All NB's use the same abilities, but the way they use (rotation) is what can make it unique. Check your facts before you start spouting non sense.
The person I replied to claimed he wasn't using the same skills, which wasn't the case in the end. That is pretty straightforward, I don't see how that can be considered "nonsense". NBs have a little more freedom regarding their skill bars depending of what you want to do with them, and are a more forgiving class altogether.
Regarding the use of Lightning Staves, that wasn't what I observed in game, but whatever. We have different sample groups I assume.
My complaint regarding sorcerers is precisely how only a handful of class skills are used. I believe there is a recent thread speaking of the Pets problem that addresses that issue too.
I mean if we use your logic then all builds are the same by definition since there are so few skills you can actually use. If you want to use semantics then there are no original builds at all. But that's nothe how it works. My build has no spammable and uses heavy attacks...that is something no one was doing before it was posted.
Not exactly what I was saying. Like, with Magicka Sorcerer, there are a few skills that every Magicka Sorcerer that I bump into will have on their bar (by that I mean that it will be hard to find Sorcerers who do not use those same skills, not that there is little overlapping, that's the complete opposite. I don't know if my phrasing is clear, sorry). There is little variation without sacrificing performance, because of the way the class is built. With Magicka NB or Magicka Templar, I can have remarkably different flavours to the class, including playing them on different roles (in my experience, Magicka DK's situation is similar to Magicka Sorcerer where skill diversity is regarded and it has a worse performance on the same role, but this discussion isn't about them). I am not discussing semantics, it was pretty straightforward: You said you were using different skills, I said the skills you are using are going to be found on the bar of any and every Magicka Sorcerer. You use them differently because you do not use a spammable? That's great too, but it still isn't the issue. I don't want to use the same four~five skills and play the same role on both of my Magicka Sorcerers or to suck otherwise, that's the point I am discussing, you see. I understand the differences between your build and what is commonly done and I recognized them, that's great, I love that it doesn't use overload, but it doesn't address the issue I am observing.
Edit: I noticed you got into an argument with someone else, so I will just drop it here before I get dragged into it too.
Ok I get what you're saying, but I guess I could say that between guard soul assault and Elemental Blockade I am only using 4 sorc skills on both bars. A templar typically uses more class skills than that so does a NB and as you said DK'S are also limited. So if anything there is less class skills in this build then most other classes use. I see what you mean in regards inflexibility but it's not a whole lot different for other classes. Also didn't mean to come off attacking you. I apologize if that's how I made you feel. I spend a very long time perfecting builds and rotations, it's a passion of mine. I make a huge effort to make them be as far away from the meta as is possible. -
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
Optimization of rotation matters, of course, I never claimed otherwise. But on your other post I replied to, you claimed you were not using the same skills and same role on your sorcerer and the problem was lack of creativity of the players, not the lack of variety of the sorcerers. But the skills you are using on that build and the role it was made for are precisely what the sorcerers have been pigeonholed into doing. But as I said before, your own spin you added to it was nice, like no weaving and no overload. I didn't mean to offend you.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
I'm not sure you know the facts. Fact is no one was using (or very very few people) were using a Lightning staff until he published this build for his sorc and his DK. You can also easily see post dates.
The fact the build utilizes sets and a certain rotation is what makes it unique. All NB's use the same abilities, but the way they use (rotation) is what can make it unique. Check your facts before you start spouting non sense.
The person I replied to claimed he wasn't using the same skills, which wasn't the case in the end. That is pretty straightforward, I don't see how that can be considered "nonsense". NBs have a little more freedom regarding their skill bars depending of what you want to do with them, and are a more forgiving class altogether.
Regarding the use of Lightning Staves, that wasn't what I observed in game, but whatever. We have different sample groups I assume.
My complaint regarding sorcerers is precisely how only a handful of class skills are used. I believe there is a recent thread speaking of the Pets problem that addresses that issue too.
I mean if we use your logic then all builds are the same by definition since there are so few skills you can actually use. If you want to use semantics then there are no original builds at all. But that's nothe how it works. My build has no spammable and uses heavy attacks...that is something no one was doing before it was posted.
Not exactly what I was saying. Like, with Magicka Sorcerer, there are a few skills that every Magicka Sorcerer that I bump into will have on their bar (by that I mean that it will be hard to find Sorcerers who do not use those same skills, not that there is little overlapping, that's the complete opposite. I don't know if my phrasing is clear, sorry). There is little variation without sacrificing performance, because of the way the class is built. With Magicka NB or Magicka Templar, I can have remarkably different flavours to the class, including playing them on different roles (in my experience, Magicka DK's situation is similar to Magicka Sorcerer where skill diversity is regarded and it has a worse performance on the same role, but this discussion isn't about them). I am not discussing semantics, it was pretty straightforward: You said you were using different skills, I said the skills you are using are going to be found on the bar of any and every Magicka Sorcerer. You use them differently because you do not use a spammable? That's great too, but it still isn't the issue. I don't want to use the same four~five skills and play the same role on both of my Magicka Sorcerers or to suck otherwise, that's the point I am discussing, you see. I understand the differences between your build and what is commonly done and I recognized them, that's great, I love that it doesn't use overload, but it doesn't address the issue I am observing.
Edit: I noticed you got into an argument with someone else, so I will just drop it here before I get dragged into it too.
Ok I get what you're saying, but I guess I could say that between guard soul assault and Elemental Blockade I am only using 4 sorc skills on both bars. A templar typically uses more class skills than that so does a NB and as you said DK'S are also limited. So if anything there is less class skills in this build then most other classes use. I see what you mean in regards inflexibility but it's not a whole lot different for other classes. Also didn't mean to come off attacking you. I apologize if that's how I made you feel. I spend a very long time perfecting builds and rotations, it's a passion of mine. I make a huge effort to make them be as far away from the meta as is possible.
Nooo it's fine, you didn't come off as attacking me, I just didn't want to end up getting in the mess too because I notice there was another argument going on in the thread with someone else xD
I didn't want to offend you either in any way. But glad you got what I'm saying. I'll take a look on your DK build later when I have a bit of free time, I'm struggling with my Magicka DK right now. Peace Edited by Abeille on July 19, 2016 5:37PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will. -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
Optimization of rotation matters, of course, I never claimed otherwise. But on your other post I replied to, you claimed you were not using the same skills and same role on your sorcerer and the problem was lack of creativity of the players, not the lack of variety of the sorcerers. But the skills you are using on that build and the role it was made for are precisely what the sorcerers have been pigeonholed into doing. But as I said before, your own spin you added to it was nice, like no weaving and no overload. I didn't mean to offend you.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
I'm not sure you know the facts. Fact is no one was using (or very very few people) were using a Lightning staff until he published this build for his sorc and his DK. You can also easily see post dates.
The fact the build utilizes sets and a certain rotation is what makes it unique. All NB's use the same abilities, but the way they use (rotation) is what can make it unique. Check your facts before you start spouting non sense.
The person I replied to claimed he wasn't using the same skills, which wasn't the case in the end. That is pretty straightforward, I don't see how that can be considered "nonsense". NBs have a little more freedom regarding their skill bars depending of what you want to do with them, and are a more forgiving class altogether.
Regarding the use of Lightning Staves, that wasn't what I observed in game, but whatever. We have different sample groups I assume.
My complaint regarding sorcerers is precisely how only a handful of class skills are used. I believe there is a recent thread speaking of the Pets problem that addresses that issue too.
I mean if we use your logic then all builds are the same by definition since there are so few skills you can actually use. If you want to use semantics then there are no original builds at all. But that's nothe how it works. My build has no spammable and uses heavy attacks...that is something no one was doing before it was posted.
Not exactly what I was saying. Like, with Magicka Sorcerer, there are a few skills that every Magicka Sorcerer that I bump into will have on their bar (by that I mean that it will be hard to find Sorcerers who do not use those same skills, not that there is little overlapping, that's the complete opposite. I don't know if my phrasing is clear, sorry). There is little variation without sacrificing performance, because of the way the class is built. With Magicka NB or Magicka Templar, I can have remarkably different flavours to the class, including playing them on different roles (in my experience, Magicka DK's situation is similar to Magicka Sorcerer where skill diversity is regarded and it has a worse performance on the same role, but this discussion isn't about them). I am not discussing semantics, it was pretty straightforward: You said you were using different skills, I said the skills you are using are going to be found on the bar of any and every Magicka Sorcerer. You use them differently because you do not use a spammable? That's great too, but it still isn't the issue. I don't want to use the same four~five skills and play the same role on both of my Magicka Sorcerers or to suck otherwise, that's the point I am discussing, you see. I understand the differences between your build and what is commonly done and I recognized them, that's great, I love that it doesn't use overload, but it doesn't address the issue I am observing.
Edit: I noticed you got into an argument with someone else, so I will just drop it here before I get dragged into it too.
Ok I get what you're saying, but I guess I could say that between guard soul assault and Elemental Blockade I am only using 4 sorc skills on both bars. A templar typically uses more class skills than that so does a NB and as you said DK'S are also limited. So if anything there is less class skills in this build then most other classes use. I see what you mean in regards inflexibility but it's not a whole lot different for other classes. Also didn't mean to come off attacking you. I apologize if that's how I made you feel. I spend a very long time perfecting builds and rotations, it's a passion of mine. I make a huge effort to make them be as far away from the meta as is possible.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
Alright dude...w/e you say...no one was running my rotation and my set combination till I posted it...as a matter of fact after I posted it people said it wouldn't work. There was zero of a spike in popularity of lightning staff till this build. Since you can't medium weave a lightning staff. Everyone was using a fire destro. I'm ok with you disagreeing with whether the build is viable or not...but to call it unoriginal is insulting since I came up with it, the skill set that I use and the rotation that I adopted. Also rotation is everything. On my Stam DK using 2 different rotation can result in a 5k dps loss. So optimization of rotation matters.
Optimization of rotation matters, of course, I never claimed otherwise. But on your other post I replied to, you claimed you were not using the same skills and same role on your sorcerer and the problem was lack of creativity of the players, not the lack of variety of the sorcerers. But the skills you are using on that build and the role it was made for are precisely what the sorcerers have been pigeonholed into doing. But as I said before, your own spin you added to it was nice, like no weaving and no overload. I didn't mean to offend you.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!
This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.
Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.
But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.
I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...
Would you mind posting your magicka sorcerer builds, then? Because that one on your signature is not very different from the "mainstream" magicka sorcerer build (just to clarify, I am not criticizing your build, challenging you or being condescending. I just genuinely wish I didn't have to always go back to those same skills, same lightning staves, same TBS... Although I appreciate your build being "free from Overload". Yikes).
Magicka sorcerer had been my main since beta, but I made another magicka sorcerer this year and I am having trouble making her really different from my main without making her worse than my other 9 characters. There is no reason to play as her other than RP reasons, because anything that she can do differently than my main magicka sorcerer my characters of other classes do better.
What do you mean? The meta is a fire vMA staff 2 Kena or Nerieneth 5 TBS or Julianos 3 willpower/infal/Moondancer. You use frags and force pulse.
My build is completely different and uses lightning staff heavy attack while maintaining Boundless, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Blockade...how is that not completely different? The sets I run are also 5 infallible 5 TBS and my use of Soul Assault is something no one is doing as far as I'm aware. The concept is completely different since you are not weaving at all. I dont think you actually read through the build. This is the new meta for vMoL.
I did read through the build, actually.
Your build is an amplified version of what is commonly used on the second bar for AoE for solo PvE playing, which is why I said it is not very different from the mainstream magicka sorcerer build. What you described as meta (spamming force pulse and frags) is for single target DPS. Anyways, your build uses overused skills like Lightning Splash, Inner Light, Boundless Storm, Bound Aegis and Mages Wrath. These are skills that every magicka sorcerer have been running since the beginning, and the reason why I don't find your build to be "completely different". Lightning Staff benefits from the Sorcerers passives and is especially annoying on PvP. Because of that, it had a spike on popularity lately. My main Magicka Sorcerer has a pretty similar setup to what you proposed on her second bar.
Another thing that does not make your build "completely different" is that it is a DPS build, like pretty much every other Magicka Sorcerer build. As I said before, same old skills, same old sets (on this case, you used two very popular sets, Torug's Pact and TBS), same old role.
But I am not criticizing your build by any means. It is a pretty good build after all, and not hard to achieve, so kudos to you. And again, I'm glad it doesn't use Overload because honestly I hate that ultimate after using it for so long. I am just saying that it is not as different from what is commonly used as I would like, having two Magicka Sorcerers, especially after DB (a lot of people gave up on the Kena/Julianos/Willpower setup because they can't deal with the nerf on shield duration and needed to be less squishy). And again, the skills used are the main similarity to what is mainstream, but that is the problem that I wish ZOS would address anyway - the skill variety.
I do like that your build does not use weaving. But it still uses the same overused skills that we have been using since forever. Which is fine, it works, again I'm not by any means saying your build is bad, your build is great. But I want to use different skills on my sorcerers too
I'm not sure you know the facts. Fact is no one was using (or very very few people) were using a Lightning staff until he published this build for his sorc and his DK. You can also easily see post dates.
The fact the build utilizes sets and a certain rotation is what makes it unique. All NB's use the same abilities, but the way they use (rotation) is what can make it unique. Check your facts before you start spouting non sense.
The person I replied to claimed he wasn't using the same skills, which wasn't the case in the end. That is pretty straightforward, I don't see how that can be considered "nonsense". NBs have a little more freedom regarding their skill bars depending of what you want to do with them, and are a more forgiving class altogether.
Regarding the use of Lightning Staves, that wasn't what I observed in game, but whatever. We have different sample groups I assume.
My complaint regarding sorcerers is precisely how only a handful of class skills are used. I believe there is a recent thread speaking of the Pets problem that addresses that issue too.
I mean if we use your logic then all builds are the same by definition since there are so few skills you can actually use. If you want to use semantics then there are no original builds at all. But that's nothe how it works. My build has no spammable and uses heavy attacks...that is something no one was doing before it was posted.
Not exactly what I was saying. Like, with Magicka Sorcerer, there are a few skills that every Magicka Sorcerer that I bump into will have on their bar (by that I mean that it will be hard to find Sorcerers who do not use those same skills, not that there is little overlapping, that's the complete opposite. I don't know if my phrasing is clear, sorry). There is little variation without sacrificing performance, because of the way the class is built. With Magicka NB or Magicka Templar, I can have remarkably different flavours to the class, including playing them on different roles (in my experience, Magicka DK's situation is similar to Magicka Sorcerer where skill diversity is regarded and it has a worse performance on the same role, but this discussion isn't about them). I am not discussing semantics, it was pretty straightforward: You said you were using different skills, I said the skills you are using are going to be found on the bar of any and every Magicka Sorcerer. You use them differently because you do not use a spammable? That's great too, but it still isn't the issue. I don't want to use the same four~five skills and play the same role on both of my Magicka Sorcerers or to suck otherwise, that's the point I am discussing, you see. I understand the differences between your build and what is commonly done and I recognized them, that's great, I love that it doesn't use overload, but it doesn't address the issue I am observing.
Edit: I noticed you got into an argument with someone else, so I will just drop it here before I get dragged into it too.
Ok I get what you're saying, but I guess I could say that between guard soul assault and Elemental Blockade I am only using 4 sorc skills on both bars. A templar typically uses more class skills than that so does a NB and as you said DK'S are also limited. So if anything there is less class skills in this build then most other classes use. I see what you mean in regards inflexibility but it's not a whole lot different for other classes. Also didn't mean to come off attacking you. I apologize if that's how I made you feel. I spend a very long time perfecting builds and rotations, it's a passion of mine. I make a huge effort to make them be as far away from the meta as is possible.
Nooo it's fine, you didn't come off as attacking me, I just didn't want to end up getting in the mess too xD
I didn't want to offend you either in any way. But glad you got what I'm saying. I'll take a look on your DK build later when I have a bit of free time, I'm struggling with my Magicka DK right now. Peace
Oh you have to try it! I went into vMoL and got 35k on it last night. So good with infal and a lightning staff! -
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Magicka sorcerer, aren't at a worst spot that they used to, except that they really needed to come up with a whole new pvp defense system which is now harder to master that what shield stacking use to be.
The real issue with magika sorcerer is that they aren't at a better spot either while some class are. As an example Stemplar receive a really nice bonus, magika dk also during magika patch, stamblade also, stamdk (a lot), magika templar also, magika nightblade... not so much, but almost all of the other combination receive a really great boost while sorcerer ... well haven't.
So the issue with Sorc, is their current ranking, not their current state. Personnally, I can outdps my magika Sorc with a lot of my build, but I don't play the overload meta with elegant (which could be helping me), but stillhave 5 Scathing/3 Willpower/Nerieneth and Maestrom Staff so...
But still the reason why I stop playing my magika sorc is more link to the fact, new class have gone better and I could use a change then me getting weaker. Still, I would love see some change coming for the Sorc, in terms of how passive are acquired and how many variation we can put Inside our build... but that's just me.
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✭✭✭✭sorcs got hit with the fun bat mostly. Just not engaging to play. In fact, if I am going to be grinding sewers, for example, I always log in to my magplar. that's a problem.
so just to illustrate...why would I use a dirt devil to clean the downstairs carpets when I can use the bigger/better vacuum cleaner? Pretty much the same point.
dont get me wrong thou, I absolutely LOVE my sorc. And I love the challenge PvP brings to the class, but it seems like everyone else can do just as much as me and better. I feel like I have NO defining skills. Yeah bolt escape is unique but now everyone has a gap closer to the point sorc mobility is absent.
But but but... Good players can still clean their whole house with a little dirt devil. Therefore balanced.
Git good, this is an L2Vacuum issue.
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Aeaeren✭✭✭The changes to crit surge HURT the most. I am fairly new to Sorcs so I didn't/don't shield stack so I can't really comment on that but the healing change I can.
Why is it they just couldn't change the shield duration and why such DRASTIC changes? They swing from one side of the fence to the other. Have they not heard of incremental changes? This game is frustrating because you spend your time playing learning the ins and outs of your chosen build and ZOS comes along and blows it all up. Now this isn't the first time they did this too me. On the PC I played a Magicka DK back in the day and they did it to him. I could understand a change to the shields but both at the same time without proper testing to make sure that was the intention. It's a bit much.
As for those that think this was a good change and I need to learn to play, I did LEARN to play with the tools that were given to me and overnight those tools were basically ripped out of the toolbox and replace with cheap knockoffs! -
Aeaeren✭✭✭I don't PvP with my Sorc but yes I was frustrated with the shield stackers also but they were beatable! So changes to shields I could agree to but I do think 6 seconds is BS and should be tweaked a bit. You shouldn't be balancing classes based on PvP, it so screws up PvE at times.
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✭sorcs got hit with the fun bat mostly. Just not engaging to play. In fact, if I am going to be grinding sewers, for example, I always log in to my magplar. that's a problem.
so just to illustrate...why would I use a dirt devil to clean the downstairs carpets when I can use the bigger/better vacuum cleaner? Pretty much the same point.
dont get me wrong thou, I absolutely LOVE my sorc. And I love the challenge PvP brings to the class, but it seems like everyone else can do just as much as me and better. I feel like I have NO defining skills. Yeah bolt escape is unique but now everyone has a gap closer to the point sorc mobility is absent.
But but but... Good players can still clean their whole house with a little dirt devil. Therefore balanced.
Git good, this is an L2Vacuum issue.
Lol that may be sig worthy....Sorcs are now L2Vacuum Issues
