Pelinal aptitude good Zerg buster?

pvpmaximus

I've been thinking if I could use this set, get my weapon damage high on my stamina dk use proxy det, take flight and steel tornado. Would it not do a lot of damage with the combo of high weapon damage for leap and spell damage for proxy det and then steel tornado with high weapon damage for extra finishing damage. Maybe fit vicious death in there 2.

Ffastyl

Pelinal's Aptitude is amazing, but it's potential is entirely gated by your imagination. This set allows all abilities to be effective, so it is up to you to find worthwhile combinations.

My Templar went from barely winning 1v1 through attrition to winning 1v2 through a mixture of attrition and aggression.

glavius

Its not that great since a large part of your damage comes from stamina/magicka. And you can't get both pools that high

Cronopoly

glavius wrote: »

Its not that great since a large part of your damage comes from stamina/magicka. And you can't get both pools that high

Glavious are you sure you know the mechanics? I've used the set. Spell Damage and Weapon Damage are at the end of the damage calculations. So for short bursty Skills, Magicka and Stamina Pools don't matter anymore. Raise one and get the End damage benefit of the other. That's the point. You wont have an expanded huge pool for regular "Alternate" skills however if that was your point, but of course.

In other words this set is obviously not for Spamming skills as you wont have the alternate pool to support it but for Ultimates it does the job.

I used it to good effect on my Magicka Sorc for dropping a decent Physical Damage Dawnbreaker of Smiting to 3 melee that had Gap closed on me.

Gave me some extra time to "try" to fight back before the inevitable lol. I streaked away and turned and they just gap closed again and returned the favor lol.

I think in the hands of someone skilled situationally good things can be done.

Ultimates:
Stamina toons can use the Magicka damage of the following Ultimates with increased damage from the Spellpower increase.
All Stamina specced toons - Bat Swarm and morphs - Magicka Damage
DK - Standard and Morphs - Flame Damage
Sorc's Negate>Suppression Field morph. - Magicka Damage
Sorc's Overload Light and Heavy attacks - Magicka Damage
Mages Guild Comet and Morphs - Magicka Damage
NB - Soul Harvest Magicka damage
Templar - Radial Sweep and Morphs
Templar - Nova and Morphs


Magicka toons can use the Physical Damage "Ult's with better damage
All Magicka specs - Dawnbreaker and morphs
DK - Take Flight and Morphs - Physical Damage
DK Corrosive Armor - Poison Damage
NB - Incapacitating Strike - Disease Damage

After looking at the options available for Ultimates between what does physical and Magicka damage, a quick glance says that this set gets more options from Ultimates if you are Stamina based. Another conspiracy theory lives lol.

susmitds

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Its not that great since a large part of your damage comes from stamina/magicka. And you can't get both pools that high

Glavious are you sure you know the mechanics? I've used the set. Spell Damage and Weapon Damage are at the end of the damage calculations. So for short bursty Skills, Magicka and Stamina Pools don't matter anymore. Raise one and get the End damage benefit of the other. That's the point. You wont have an expanded huge pool for regular "Alternate" skills however if that was your point, but of course.

In other words this set is obviously not for Spamming skills as you wont have the alternate pool to support it but for Ultimates it does the job.

I used it to good effect on my Magicka Sorc for dropping a decent Physical Damage Dawnbreaker of Smiting to 3 melee that had Gap closed on me.

Gave me some extra time to "try" to fight back before the inevitable lol. I streaked away and turned and they just gap closed again and returned the favor lol.

I think in the hands of someone skilled situationally good things can be done.

Ultimates:
Stamina toons can use the Magicka damage of the following Ultimates with increased damage from the Spellpower increase.
All Stamina specced toons - Bat Swarm and morphs - Magicka Damage
DK - Standard and Morphs - Flame Damage
Sorc's Negate>Suppression Field morph. - Magicka Damage
Sorc's Overload Light and Heavy attacks - Magicka Damage
Mages Guild Comet and Morphs - Magicka Damage
NB - Soul Harvest Magicka damage
Templar - Radial Sweep and Morphs
Templar - Nova and Morphs


Magicka toons can use the Physical Damage "Ult's with better damage
All Magicka specs - Dawnbreaker and morphs
DK - Take Flight and Morphs - Physical Damage
DK Corrosive Armor - Poison Damage
NB - Incapacitating Strike - Disease Damage

After looking at the options available for Ultimates between what does physical and Magicka damage, a quick glance says that this set gets more options from Ultimates if you are Stamina based. Another conspiracy theory lives lol.

LOL you are so wrong. Ultimates scale to highest Stat already.

Cronopoly

susmitds wrote: »

LOL you are so wrong. Ultimates scale to highest Stat already.

Oh really...Yet I can personally see the clear damage difference on my Magicka sorc toon wearing Pelinals and the Dawnbreaker Physical damage difference by taking this set 5 piece on and off. And why then would any Sorc ever complain about losing Dawnbreaker as a useful Magicka Ult and this is the entire Sorc community and all reviewers.

You may be talking theory, I'm talking what I and others experienced directly.

Ffastyl

I've seen a damage increase, rather significant really. By using Pelinal's Aptitude I gain access to two-thirds of the Templar trees that were previously useless. I gained DoTs and HoTs, which help immensely. My range is still lacking, but that's mainly due to not finding space for a ranged attack. Ritual of Retribution, Puncturing Sweeps, Reverberating Bash, Dizzying Swing and Critical Rush make for a fine combination of attacks that can sustain me against multiple foes in close quarters. If a Sorc uses Overload, though...

17.5k Max Magicka
29k Max Health
17.5k Max Stamina

You both missed the fact that splitting resources evenly can work and work well. As in my first post, the effectiveness of Pelinal's Aptitude is limited by the wearer's imagination.

Panth141

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

LOL you are so wrong. Ultimates scale to highest Stat already.

Oh really...Yet I can personally see the clear damage difference on my Magicka sorc toon wearing Pelinals and the Dawnbreaker Physical damage difference by taking this set 5 piece on and off. And why then would any Sorc ever complain about losing Dawnbreaker as a useful Magicka Ult and this is the entire Sorc community and all reviewers.

You may be talking theory, I'm talking what I and others experienced directly.

@jwilkins66ub17_ESO

The whole 'physical vs magic' damage pertains to champion points; mighty (the 'stamina' damage passive) increases physical, poison and disease damage. Elemental expert increases magic and elemental damage. The complaints from magicka users at the DB change was that they lost the ~20% damage buff they were previously getting from CP.

Calculations have shown that ultimates scale with your max resource; if you're finding this not to be the case then please do share your data!

Acsvf

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

Glavious are you sure you know the mechanics? I've used the set. Spell Damage and Weapon Damage are at the end of the damage calculations. So for short bursty Skills, Magicka and Stamina Pools don't matter anymore.

At the end of damage calculations, stat pools not mattering for 'short, bursty, skills'? What are you even on about?
The calculations for any value on an ability or attack that scales will stats is this:

ax+by+c

where a=spell/weapon damage, b=maximum stamina/magicka, x= spell/weapon damage coefficient, y=max stamina/magicka coefficient, and c= base value. Usually,

x(a*10.45+b)

where x is the ability coefficient is sufficient for calculations. Maximum stamina/magicka do matter. With 20000 magicka and 4000 spell damage, you'll be dealing ~75% of the damage with force shock compared to if you had 40000 magicka and 4000 spell damage.

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

Oh really...Yet I can personally see the clear damage difference on my Magicka sorc toon wearing Pelinals and the Dawnbreaker Physical damage difference by taking this set 5 piece on and off.
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You may be talking theory, I'm talking what I and others experienced directly.

Unverifiable personal experiences aren't evidence. Upload your screenshots.

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ultimates:
Stamina toons can use the Magicka damage of the following Ultimates with increased damage from the Spellpower increase.
All Stamina specced toons - Bat Swarm and morphs - Magicka Damage
DK - Standard and Morphs - Flame Damage
Sorc's Negate>Suppression Field morph. - Magicka Damage
Sorc's Overload Light and Heavy attacks - Magicka Damage
Mages Guild Comet and Morphs - Magicka Damage
NB - Soul Harvest Magicka damage
Templar - Radial Sweep and Morphs
Templar - Nova and Morphs


Magicka toons can use the Physical Damage "Ult's with better damage
All Magicka specs - Dawnbreaker and morphs
DK - Take Flight and Morphs - Physical Damage
DK Corrosive Armor - Poison Damage
NB - Incapacitating Strike - Disease Damage

After looking at the options available for Ultimates between what does physical and Magicka damage, a quick glance says that this set gets more options from Ultimates if you are Stamina based. Another conspiracy theory lives lol.

Damage type, while correlated with stat type doesn't necessarily show what an ability scales off of. If it did, no stamina dragonknight would have bothered using ardent flame DoTs before the patch.

psychotic13

I think he's trolling.. Talking about things he knows nothing about.

@jwilkins66ub17_ESO

You can look here to see the difference, http://esoitem.uesp.net/viewSkills.php

Cronopoly

I'm not an ass and will admit when wrong. My calculation was off, so excuse me being an idiot.

My unbuffed Level 1 Dawnbreaker on my Sorc that is wearing the Pelinals shows Damage 8796 / 10719 over 5 seconds. After equipping the 5 piece and giving my normal spellpower buffs it reads Damage 11790 / 14514

So I know where I went wrong in this, forgetting that it was buffed in addition to Pelinals and took it as Pelinals doing entirely. So I apologize for my initial 'tude. I thank you all for correcting me. OMG someone admitting they were wrong. Have you ever?

War Vet who doesnt troll. Not a kid. Just got full of myself on this and will admit it.

Acsvf

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

OMG someone admitting they were wrong. Have you ever?

I've spent thousands of hours combined on various internet forums and this is the third time I've seen such happen.

susmitds

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm not an ass and will admit when wrong. My calculation was off, so excuse me being an idiot.

My unbuffed Level 1 Dawnbreaker on my Sorc that is wearing the Pelinals shows Damage 8796 / 10719 over 5 seconds. After equipping the 5 piece and giving my normal spellpower buffs it reads Damage 11790 / 14514

So I know where I went wrong in this, forgetting that it was buffed in addition to Pelinals and took it as Pelinals doing entirely. So I apologize for my initial 'tude. I thank you all for correcting me. OMG someone admitting they were wrong. Have you ever?

War Vet who doesnt troll. Not a kid. Just got full of myself on this and will admit it.

Salute.

psychotic13

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm not an ass and will admit when wrong. My calculation was off, so excuse me being an idiot.

My unbuffed Level 1 Dawnbreaker on my Sorc that is wearing the Pelinals shows Damage 8796 / 10719 over 5 seconds. After equipping the 5 piece and giving my normal spellpower buffs it reads Damage 11790 / 14514

So I know where I went wrong in this, forgetting that it was buffed in addition to Pelinals and took it as Pelinals doing entirely. So I apologize for my initial 'tude. I thank you all for correcting me. OMG someone admitting they were wrong. Have you ever?

War Vet who doesnt troll. Not a kid. Just got full of myself on this and will admit it.

I can respect that.

But as a general rule of thumb, 1 Spell damage is equal to around 10.45 max magicka, and most abilities take both into account, some only scale from your max magicka, and some scale with your level.

pvpmaximus

Can someone please just tell me if this is viable or not

psychotic13

pvpmaximus wrote: »

Can someone please just tell me if this is viable or not

Proxy det is only good if you're in the middle of a lot of players, and it hits a lot of players. To go Hyrbid just for that ability isn't worth it imo.

I theory crafted a DK here using pelinals, you can read that here if it interests you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/271434/theory-crafted-a-hybrid-dk#latest

pvpmaximus

I'm just wondering if it might be a good zurg bomb set up not trying to go hybrid or anything

DUTCH_REAPER

Not with regard to this specific set but in the interest of the whole "load up your resource pool to max for max damage" I found it odd that while testing with a bud that the difference with 4000 magica was 94 extra damage. That was it 94. Didn't make sense but the numbers were what the numbers were. Test was done with 4400 spell damage. So I can see why the OP is saying he is able to get damage numbers where he wants them without dumping into one pool.

Xvorg

WTB nirn trait

psychotic13

pvpmaximus wrote: »

I'm just wondering if it might be a good zurg bomb set up not trying to go hybrid or anything

But proxy det is a Magicka based skill, and doesn't just scale from your damage, if you wanted this ability to be at all effective you'd have to go hybrid imo.

I don't know, it may be alright damage if you're hitting 25 people every time, but that's not going to happen most of the time it's not going to be worth using on a stamina DK.

Brutusmax1mus

You have to split cp a ton, split max pools and regen. 17.5k stamina will NOT last you post an attack, dodge roll, attack, cc break with out good regen. After you're out of stam, you're just a weaker magicka character. I'm talking for dps f course. You're better off stacking max magicka and weapon damage and just using magicka skills with this set.

It does do some really interesting things for tanks though!!!

bigereard

Hi,

Pelinals build will have to relied on sustain (regen and other method to gain resource) rather than their existing pool.

I've post sustained pelinals build before:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3109583/#Comment_3109583
(Post #44)

This is the build without final set of pelinals & warrior's fury active (molag kena build)
uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=422

This is the build without final set of pelinals & warrior's fury active (malubeth build, more sustained survival build)
uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=421

Warrior fury can add up to 1k+ weapon damage, and with pelinals' final set the spell damage will have same value with weapon damage.

Molag kena build can reach 6.1k both damage, malubeth can reach 5.1k both damage.

acw37162

It's a great werewolf set for having werewolf a self heal be more breath of life like.

It's a great set for stamina based vampires to get the most out of bats

Pairs well with vicious death for a reverse slice proxy Det vicious death Zerg busting explosion.

Pairs well with a Stamina Templar wanting to use breath.

Is a great tanks that wants contribute DPS set.

Is an awesome leveling set.

Have about a dozen over ideas for this set, none of which will be BIS but all of which will be fun and interesting to play.

This is an awesome set.