Werewolves in PvP Are Defensively-Weak?

Molag_Crow · June 2016

It's hilarious how weak they are in PvP, survive-ability-wise. In PvE you're like YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! ROOOAAAAAARRRRR! Tearing mobs apart and asoon as you activate werewolf form in PvP it's like... *Dead.*

The werewolf heal being effected by battle spirit (50% less healing) is the biggest killer.

bardx86 · June 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's hilarious how weak they are in PvP, survive-ability-wise. In PvE you're like YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! ROOOAAAAAARRRRR! Tearing mobs apart and asoon as you activate werewolf form in PvP it's like... *Dead.*

The werewolf heal being effected by battle spirit (50% less healing) is the biggest killer.

hope this is joke

Ahzek · June 2016

kek

Robbmrp · June 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's hilarious how weak they are in PvP, survive-ability-wise. In PvE you're like YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! ROOOAAAAAARRRRR! Tearing mobs apart and asoon as you activate werewolf form in PvP it's like... *Dead.*

The werewolf heal being effected by battle spirit (50% less healing) is the biggest killer.

My Radiant Destruction is usually their biggest killer......

Molag_Crow · June 2016

bardx86 wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's hilarious how weak they are in PvP, survive-ability-wise. In PvE you're like YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! ROOOAAAAAARRRRR! Tearing mobs apart and asoon as you activate werewolf form in PvP it's like... *Dead.*

The werewolf heal being effected by battle spirit (50% less healing) is the biggest killer.

hope this is joke

Well.. okay, I'm judging them on a battle-scaled v15/150 champion rank alt (501 cp aligned,) and despite 28k HP, 40k Stamina but yeah, I think on at least 7 occasions today when transforming into werewolf form, I'd get slapped SO hard before I can even fear/howl of agony/heal, and of course when I try to heal, I'm doing, what.. 4-5k heals for a huge cost? lmfao

MaxwellC · June 2016

I second that I hope you're joking because were wolves are the most annoying thing to fight able to smack me if I don't get some distance immediately. If you're complaining about health please my Mag DK needs a fix with dragons blood the most broken pathetic heal in the game to date not only is it affected by battle spirit we're healing half of 33% (16.5%) in PvP and on top of that it provides you with more more health recovery (LOL?) or the morph that provides stamina recovery and health recovery (More LoLs).

Stam Recovery is good but unfortunately the buff it provides does not scale or stack with potions so when it's used BOOM completely over written and buff subsides after potion expires or if you recast it it'll overwrite the potions buff.

Molag_Crow · June 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's hilarious how weak they are in PvP, survive-ability-wise. In PvE you're like YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! ROOOAAAAAARRRRR! Tearing mobs apart and asoon as you activate werewolf form in PvP it's like... *Dead.*

The werewolf heal being effected by battle spirit (50% less healing) is the biggest killer.

My Radiant Destruction is usually their biggest killer......

I can imagine... I feel dirty on my Templar most of the time with RD because it's like.. it's just such an overkill ability, never mind an execute lol but still, love it.

Wollust · June 2016

WW is a monster on the battlefield. And yes, the healing may be slightly lackluster (still 123829347 times better than Dragon Blood

) but the raw damage is just insane.

You just need to know how to play it.

Robbmrp · June 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

It's hilarious how weak they are in PvP, survive-ability-wise. In PvE you're like YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! ROOOAAAAAARRRRR! Tearing mobs apart and asoon as you activate werewolf form in PvP it's like... *Dead.*

The werewolf heal being effected by battle spirit (50% less healing) is the biggest killer.

My Radiant Destruction is usually their biggest killer......

I can imagine... I feel dirty on my Templar most of the time with RD because it's like.. it's just such an overkill ability, never mind an execute lol but still, love it.

Meh, I don't feel guilty at all. Every class has an execute skill that they use without a second thought. For those that don't like RD, complain to Wrobel about it. Players never requested a channeled execute that does more damage over time and can be interrupted. I'd take an instant execute like Mages Fury/Wrath any day over RD.

Molag_Crow · June 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I second that I hope you're joking because were wolves are the most annoying thing to fight able to smack me if I don't get some distance immediately. If you're complaining about health please my Mag DK needs a fix with dragons blood the most broken pathetic heal in the game to date not only is it affected by battle spirit we're healing half of 33% (16.5%) in PvP and on top of that it provides you with more more health recovery (LOL?) or the morph that provides stamina recovery and health recovery (More LoLs).

Stam Recovery is good but unfortunately the buff it provides does not scale or stack with potions so when it's used BOOM completely over written and buff subsides after potion expires or if you recast it it'll overwrite the potions buff.

Ahhh Magicka DKs, poor things... you know what, it really makes me wonder; DID ZOS EVEN CONSIDER THESE THINGS when putting the 50% less healing in battle spirit? wow.

Oh and let's not forget the aborbs. Templar's Radiant Ward/Blazing Shield/Sun Shield got KILLED so hard, I'd be seriously surprised if anybody even uses it anymore apart from running a stupid "bomplar" kind of build which relies on zergs/groups.

I wish Radiant Ward would go back to being a defensive ability for Templars but that's another story.

Robbmrp · June 2016

Wollust wrote: »

WW is a monster on the battlefield. And yes, the healing may be slightly lackluster (still 123829347 times better than Dragon Blood ) but the raw damage is just insane.

You just need to know how to play it.

@Wollust your right, until their shaved....then they are just another bald Nord who lost their pants....

Molag_Crow · June 2016

Trust me Wollust, I recently discovered the GODLY power of WW damage-wise, and worked it out, by fearing my targets before Howl of Agony for that biiiiig damage BUT in PvP, I can't even pull that off, well.. my alt is a little level 39, but still

Molag_Crow · June 2016

Okay. It's official. I mean it when I say that werewolve's in PvP are defensively-weak. Even if people want to say "if you die easily as a werewolf then you're just bad" but seriously, they take SO much damage, what's the point of their defensive buffs when everybody and their mother is running Penetration now.

FYI my Nightblade is now max level with pretty meh stats but ummm 24k health (food buff, in cyro) 30k stamina, 2.3k stam regen and only 2.5k weapon damage as I'm still missing passives and skills, but I'm in 5 pieces of Impenetrable gear (2k crit resist)

As a WW I'm doing great damage and CC, sure, but after 1-2 heals I'm out of magicka and 733 magicka recovery doesn't seem to cut it lol, I don't know. I'll continue to work out something with WW...

UltimaJoe777 · June 2016

Anything can die in Cyrodiil somehow or another. Have a 1 on 1 with a skilled Werewolf, then we'll talk.

Tryxus · June 2016

Only against Stam DKs and Archers

Molag_Crow · June 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Only against Stam DKs and Archers

I'm gonna upload a clip soon of my WW's HP just ticking away like a mofo from poison, with 25% less taken in champion points lel

UltimaJoe777 · June 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Only against Stam DKs and Archers

I'm gonna upload a clip soon of my WW's HP just ticking away like a mofo from poison, with 25% less taken in champion points lel

Guess you haven't had your shots yet then

Oh wait that's Disease. Personally I'm giving my Werewolf Poison Resist enchantments lol

Chrlynsch · June 2016

Just need some tweeking

I find running in 7 heavy armor is just BEAST for my DK Imperial Werewolf (changing to redguard next patch). 5 peice black rose is big clutch. Using tri food is great. A werewolf using Heavy attacks (when not bugged) will give you back 4k stamina. I use vitality potions (30% increased healing recieved + a hot), and healthsteal poisons adding extra dots and hots. This makes your very tanky. In Cyrodill my werewolf heal crits for... 10k, 7.5k regular. If you run malbeth get ready for some 13k+ heals.

In WW
32k health
42k stamina
17k magicka

Go grind IC or buy up some Black Rose. Craft some pots/poisons, prismatic up and kick butt.

Celas_Dranacea · June 2016

I'm alright with the majority of people holding the OP's opinion of werewolves.... Totally fine by me!

UltimaJoe777 · June 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

I'm alright with the majority of people holding the OP's opinion of werewolves.... Totally fine by me!

It's the Silver Dawn! Quick, kill them with fire! And ice! And disease!

Tryxus · June 2016

I tried out my WW coincidentally during my first ever run with my StamBlade last week

You gain an armor and stats buff with an array of powerful skills like AoE fear, a heal with Damage buff, Knockdown attack, DoT with Major Defile,... But at the same time you lose your class skills and passives, which can be lethal in 1v1 scenarios

I find that WW are at their best breaking up small groups and zergballs, especially due to them increasing their time limit every 3 secs when they get damaged but also due to having an amazing skill set: Leap -> Fear -> Heal + Damage buff -> Attack

But your worst enemies are gonna be Stam DK and Archers (NB Lethal Arrow Gankers espec

)

Fun fact: first time I turned WW on my StamBlade back then, Skillet with Monster started playing

Celas_Dranacea · June 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Only against Stam DKs and Archers

This is why Bosmer is the ww master race

sirrmattus · June 2016

Just stop

Molag_Crow · June 2016

Prothwata wrote: »

Just need some tweeking

I find running in 7 heavy armor is just BEAST for my DK Imperial Werewolf (changing to redguard next patch). 5 peice black rose is big clutch. Using tri food is great. A werewolf using Heavy attacks (when not bugged) will give you back 4k stamina. I use vitality potions (30% increased healing recieved + a hot), and healthsteal poisons adding extra dots and hots. This makes your very tanky. In Cyrodill my werewolf heal crits for... 10k, 7.5k regular. If you run malbeth get ready for some 13k+ heals.

In WW
32k health
42k stamina
17k magicka

Go grind IC or buy up some Black Rose. Craft some pots/poisons, prismatic up and kick butt.

That sounds like an awesome set-up. You're a dedicated WW I see! /salute

Molag_Crow · June 2016

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

I'm alright with the majority of people holding the OP's opinion of werewolves.... Totally fine by me!

Don't worry, I'm pretty new to WW so my opinion is expected lol

Lokey0024 · June 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Okay. It's official. I mean it when I say that werewolve's in PvP are defensively-weak. Even if people want to say "if you die easily as a werewolf then you're just bad" but seriously, they take SO much damage, what's the point of their defensive buffs when everybody and their mother is running Penetration now.

FYI my Nightblade is now max level with pretty meh stats but ummm 24k health (food buff, in cyro) 30k stamina, 2.3k stam regen and only 2.5k weapon damage as I'm still missing passives and skills, but I'm in 5 pieces of Impenetrable gear (2k crit resist)

As a WW I'm doing great damage and CC, sure, but after 1-2 heals I'm out of magicka and 733 magicka recovery doesn't seem to cut it lol, I don't know. I'll continue to work out something with WW...

With 2.4k impen and heavy armor i still was catching 9k incapacitating strikes, which You can't block because of fear. Key thing here is using immovable pots and dont howl before fear.