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Yup I called it about the racial passives.

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Racials were data mined and Breton, High elf, Imperial received no combat buffs. However they buffed the the racials such as Khajit for stamina builds or Argonian for healers so people now are forced to buy a race change token or character slot if they want to stay best in slot. GG ZOS, you are truly the greediest company I have ever played an MMO from.

What about the players who have all their character slots used up with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots and cannot afford to pay for new character slots or a race change. And now they are forced to if they wanted to stay best in slot; the people who educated themselves and understood to choose a race such as Breton over Argonian at launch for healing.

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Edited by [Deleted User] on June 27, 2016 9:47PM
"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."
  • dsalter
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    Racials were data mined and Breton, High elf, Imperial received no combat buffs. However they buffed the the racials such as Khajit for stamina builds or Argonian for healers so people now are forced to buy a race change token or character slot if they want to stay best in slot. GG ZOS, you are truly the greediest company I have ever played an MMO from.

    khajiit are possibly getting buffed? but they are already a top race... argonians deserve it anyways same as nords.
    PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread

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  • Bfish22090
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    you clearly have no idea how racial passives work if you think khajiit wasn't a good race
  • FloppyFrank
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    Who even cares about balancing and fixing the game? Let's keep milking our customers!
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  • yodased
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    good thing I already made an argonian templar ;)
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
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    You know you can always just reroll and spend a few days tops raising a new character to lv50 right? Don't HAVE to spend crowns to modify an existing character when it's so easy to get a new one up to speed in such a short period of time you know...

    So much gets blown out of proportion these days.
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on June 27, 2016 7:11PM
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  • Troneon
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    I will stick with my high elf no matter what....I really hate stam builds anyway...
    Edited by Troneon on June 27, 2016 7:11PM
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    I have no idea what OP is talking about. I see some buffs/tweaks for classes that could use some love and some little fun/small add ons but no changes that would merit a racial chsnge.

    High elf and Bretons probably didn't need a buff. I don't think anyone had to data mine anything to figure that out.
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    You know you can always just reroll and spend a few days tops raising a new character to lv50 right? Don't HAVE to spend crowns to modify an existing character when it's so easy to get a new one up to speed in such a short period of time you know...

    So much gets blown out of proportion these days.

    Well except Undaunted which when MinMaxing is really best to have levelled. Otherwise, Yes.

    But I personally really will not Min max to point of playing a Lizard. No chance.

    If I don't get to heal VMOL/VSO on my High Elf Templar anymore, then so be it.
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    Troneon wrote: »
    I will stick with my high elf no matter what....I really hate stam builds anyway...

    YES!!
  • Justice31st
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    You know you can always just reroll and spend a few days tops raising a new character to lv50 right? Don't HAVE to spend crowns to modify an existing character when it's so easy to get a new one up to speed in such a short period of time you know...

    So much gets blown out of proportion these days.

    Reroll with all the character slots used up? All with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots, etc. LOL...
    Edited by Justice31st on June 27, 2016 7:29PM
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  • Bromburak
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    Freedom of choice is fine but overrating racial passives starts in your mind and not on battlefield.

    Btw. you get killed by any race, get over it.
  • cote-bmsb16_ESO
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    Yea think they kinda made khajit a bit too strong with that stam, plus their crit damage. Woodelves got reduced fall damage? Why? So when they try commit suicide, they cant and have to buy a race change from the crownstore.
  • Miszou
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    Argonian passives just got worse - unless you're a healer of course. :|
  • Azor_Ahaii
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    Redguard, altmer, breton, etc did not need buffs, they will still continue to be very strong. Khajiit was already best for stamina pve, and redguard is still best for stamina pvp. Argonians will make great healers but will lack the offensive capability of altmers. The racial passive changes have been good, the weaker races have been buffed and stronger races have stayed pretty much the same. Now no race is extremely weak compared to other races. The only thing that did not make sense was that khajiit did not necessarily need this buff as it was already the best for stamina dps. But I don't mind because I just started levelling a khajiit nb and stamplar (ZOS please dont nerf khajiit :P).
  • Azor_Ahaii
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    Miszou wrote: »
    Argonian passives just got worse - unless you're a healer of course. :|

    How, did they lose the max health?
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    Data mining has also shown that
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    4. The reason the NA server's updates are always bigger then the other servers is they are saving up the data bits to lay false data to the next generation of Data-Miners
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  • cdobratz
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    Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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  • Miszou
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    Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
    Miszou wrote: »
    Argonian passives just got worse - unless you're a healer of course. :|

    How, did they lose the max health?

    Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274961/pts-patch-notes-v2-5-0/p1
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    You know you can always just reroll and spend a few days tops raising a new character to lv50 right? Don't HAVE to spend crowns to modify an existing character when it's so easy to get a new one up to speed in such a short period of time you know...

    So much gets blown out of proportion these days.

    Reroll with all the character slots used up? All with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots, etc. LOL...

    Well with all that accomplished I think you'd actually have MORE to do if you did reroll :p Doesn't sound like you have a lot left to accomplish.
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on June 27, 2016 7:54PM
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  • Saturn
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    Racials were data mined and Breton, High elf, Imperial received no combat buffs. However they buffed the the racials such as Khajit for stamina builds or Argonian for healers so people now are forced to buy a race change token or character slot if they want to stay best in slot. GG ZOS, you are truly the greediest company I have ever played an MMO from.

    What about the players who have all their character slots used up with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots and cannot afford to pay for new character slots or a race change. And now they are forced to if they wanted to stay best in slot; the people who educated themselves and understood to choose a race such as Breton over Argonian at launch for healing.

    I'd like to point out that I recently made an Argonian stamina dragonknight, who is pretty close to other stam dks in terms of DPS, the slight gap between us might be racial benefits or simply my lack of experience / gear.

    A lot of people put such a huge emphasis on race choice, even though you can do well with any race in any class and role. ESO is a game where player skill is way more important than race/class/gear. The best players are the best because they are skilled at what they do. Sure they may have everything best in slot, but there are a lot of people with the best of everything, who don't make it work. Things such as skill rotation and gear synergy, as well as intimate knowledge of your class and its weaknesses are what matter.

    Also, A+ for the condescending paragraph about Argonian players.
    Edited by [Deleted User] on June 27, 2016 9:48PM
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  • Ravinsild
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    I'm not sure how these changes affect my Stamina Nightblade, or if they even do. It may hurt my solo play.
  • Justice31st
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    You know you can always just reroll and spend a few days tops raising a new character to lv50 right? Don't HAVE to spend crowns to modify an existing character when it's so easy to get a new one up to speed in such a short period of time you know...

    So much gets blown out of proportion these days.

    Reroll with all the character slots used up? All with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots, etc. LOL...

    Well with all that accomplished I think you'd actually have MORE to do if you did reroll :p Doesn't sound like you have a lot left to accomplish.

    Other than all the time It took to invest, why would I want to delete a character and redo this stale content again. Anyways I am over it now, just uninstalled this game and moving on from this Greedy corporation made for casual consumers. I will tell Paul Sage you said hi. :smile:
    "The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."
  • ShedsHisTail
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    Racials were data mined and Breton, High elf, Imperial received no combat buffs. However they buffed the the racials such as Khajit for stamina builds or Argonian for healers so people now are forced to buy a race change token or character slot if they want to stay best in slot. GG ZOS, you are truly the greediest company I have ever played an MMO from.

    What about the players who have all their character slots used up with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots and cannot afford to pay for new character slots or a race change. And now they are forced to if they wanted to stay best in slot; the people who educated themselves and understood to choose a race such as Breton over Argonian at launch for healing.

    Wait... so people have been begging since release for a racial rebalance, and now they're upset that the rebalancing upsets the balance?
    Edited by [Deleted User] on June 27, 2016 9:48PM
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  • Justice31st
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    Racials were data mined and Breton, High elf, Imperial received no combat buffs. However they buffed the the racials such as Khajit for stamina builds or Argonian for healers so people now are forced to buy a race change token or character slot if they want to stay best in slot. GG ZOS, you are truly the greediest company I have ever played an MMO from.

    To the noobs who rolled an argonian healers at launch and love this new change, well obviously you are the type of person who only thinks about themselves, disgusting. What about the players who have all their character slots used up with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots and cannot afford to pay for new character slots or a race change. And now they are forced to if they wanted to stay best in slot; the people who educated themselves and understood to choose a race such as Breton over Argonian at launch for healing.

    Wait... so people have been begging since release for a racial rebalance, and now they're upset that the rebalancing upsets the balance?

    Begging for a racial change a couple months after release, and then doing it two years later after all that time was invested into their character are two different things
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  • CromulentForumID
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    You know you can always just reroll and spend a few days tops raising a new character to lv50 right? Don't HAVE to spend crowns to modify an existing character when it's so easy to get a new one up to speed in such a short period of time you know...

    So much gets blown out of proportion these days.

    Reroll with all the character slots used up? All with max horse training, crafting, pvp and undaunted skill line max, former emperor title, max bag slots, etc. LOL...

    Well with all that accomplished I think you'd actually have MORE to do if you did reroll :p Doesn't sound like you have a lot left to accomplish.

    Other than all the time It took to invest, why would I want to delete a character and redo this stale content again. Anyways I am over it now, just uninstalled this game and moving on from this Greedy corporation made for casual consumers. I will tell Paul Sage you said hi. :smile:

    Wow. A change of a couple of percentage points somehow destroys your character to the point where you uninstall the game?

    This is only a money grab by the devs if they sat in a back room defining these changes, twirling their big black mustaches while sipping brady and adjusting their giant top hats. Maybe even some cackling and pompous snorting.

    I think the problem is between your ears on this one. Sure, numerically your character may no longer be "the best," even though there are a ton of other gear and build choices to make once your race is chosen. Maybe check those out? Even disregarding those other build choices, there is a very big chasm between "not the best" and "completely unplayable."

    With the logic in your posts, I am not sure the devs could ever change anything on a character or class that would be considered "the best." Because once it's not, of course the devs are doing it to earn money, not looking at their numbers and trying to balance the races or classes played.

    The word "forced" is overused so much in online games it makes me kind of just sigh when I see it. I played in a game in the past where there were some PVP achievements. Half of them allowed you to idle in your friendly base. Yet people were put out at being FORCED TO PVP! There were also achievements you earned while logged out. Guess what? People complained that they were FORCED to not play their main character for the months it took to each those achievements.

    I feel like the vast majority of players will feel like these changes are not a requirement to spend some crowns. If you are a top PVPer or PVE player looking for leaderboards, I can understand a bit of that feeling. For the rest of the players? No, really, it's fine.

  • Moglijuana
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    Miszou wrote: »
    Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
    Miszou wrote: »
    Argonian passives just got worse - unless you're a healer of course. :|

    How, did they lose the max health?

    Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274961/pts-patch-notes-v2-5-0/p1

    LOL. You need to read dude. They aren't losing their max health bonus. All that is changing is healing received is turning into healing done. I'm happy since my Argonian Magicka NB will be pretty useful for dungeons/trials now that we get some more magicka + increased healing added to funnel health.
    Edited by Moglijuana on June 27, 2016 8:13PM
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    Moglijuana wrote: »
    Miszou wrote: »
    Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
    Miszou wrote: »
    Argonian passives just got worse - unless you're a healer of course. :|

    How, did they lose the max health?

    Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274961/pts-patch-notes-v2-5-0/p1

    LOL. You need to read dude. They aren't losing their max health bonus. All that is changing is healing received is turning into healing done.

    But reading is so hard!
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    dsalter wrote: »
    Racials were data mined and Breton, High elf, Imperial received no combat buffs. However they buffed the the racials such as Khajit for stamina builds or Argonian for healers so people now are forced to buy a race change token or character slot if they want to stay best in slot. GG ZOS, you are truly the greediest company I have ever played an MMO from.

    khajiit are possibly getting buffed? but they are already a top race... argonians deserve it anyways same as nords.

    Yea, they actually buffed a stamina race that was already pretty strong and in the top 3.

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  • Moglijuana
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    Moglijuana wrote: »
    Miszou wrote: »
    Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
    Miszou wrote: »
    Argonian passives just got worse - unless you're a healer of course. :|

    How, did they lose the max health?

    Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274961/pts-patch-notes-v2-5-0/p1

    LOL. You need to read dude. They aren't losing their max health bonus. All that is changing is healing received is turning into healing done.

    But reading is so hard!

    I know man. I wish my parents get me hooked on phonics when I was little =(. Now I'm stuck going to The Derek Zoolander School for Kids Who Can't Read Good =/.
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  • Azor_Ahaii
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    Miszou wrote: »
    Azor_Ahaii wrote: »
    Miszou wrote: »
    Argonian passives just got worse - unless you're a healer of course. :|

    How, did they lose the max health?

    Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274961/pts-patch-notes-v2-5-0/p1

    Healing done applies to you as well, this is a massive buff.
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