Poor man's Stamina Gank build?

Ravinsild

I've been looking up builds, Magicka NB, Magicka DK, Magicka Templar, Magicka Sorc, Stam DK, Stam Temp, Stam NB, Stam Sorc, Tank DK, Healer Templar etc... and I've decided for PvP I want to play a stealthy rogue stabby man.

I found Alcast and Sypher's Stamina Nightblade builds but they all require these monster armor things like Molag Kena and Twice-Born Star and super potions and ultra rare expensive food etc...

Is there a poor man's pvp build for anything? What if you're not max CP cap...don't have much gold...don't have maxed Alchemy or Cooking, etc... What can do you in the mean time while you farm monster pieces, collect skill points to learn Alchemy and Cooking, grind CP, research armor and weapon traits to craft Twice-Born Star etc...? Is there a middle step between god-like and trash tier poor noob?

krathos

You can do something like this which doesn't require high crafting or a lot of gold and allows you to easily upgrade parts of the build w/o having to make sweeping changes.

Chest, legs, gloves, belt, boots

• shield breaker (arguably best in slot for stam NB pvp builds right now anyways)
• you can get this from IC and IC has been super nerfed so it's very easy to farm telvar stones now even in the no-cp campaigns. get 1000 stones and then deposit every 1-2k you get beyond that to keep a 3x modifier on.
• it comes with enchants already
• it comes purple already for the v16 pieces
• you can do this solo
• comes in impen which is the best trait to have right now for most pvp builds

Head/Shoulder/2h/Bow

• night's silence
• only requires 2 traits researched, so even if youre not researched that far it takes just a few hours to get the first 2
• youll need enchants but theyre pretty cheap, v16 armor enchants can be found for 2.5-3k gold now for purple.
• replace these w/ monster sets and maelstrom weapons when you get them
• craft the armor in well fitted or impen if you can
• craft the weapons in sharpened.

Jewelry

• 3pc lekis focus
• It's the same stats as agility just less of them. You'll miss out on a bit of weapon damage and stamina but they're MUCH MUCH cheaper and easier to get. Just replace w/ agility when you get around to it.
• Shop around. Purple items will sell for 10k+ gold but you can find blue to start out with for much cheaper. Still much better than the 150-200k agility rings and 20k agility necklace!

Potions

• alchemy is pretty easy to power level. look up a guide for that
• at least run w/ generic stamina pots. you can buy hundreds for just a few hundred gold.
• people list the Rogue's draughts fairly cheap and they offer stuff like invis or major expedition and are much cheaper than your top tier pots.

Food:

• Food is dirt cheap. Just use a recovery drink either tristat or magicka/stamina dual stat. If your recovery is fine then get max health/max stam or tristat max stat food. You can buy stacks of this for just a couple thousand gold at worst.

Money:

• Get blacksmithing & clothier up as fast as possible.
• Go to the DLC zones (wrothgar, hews bane, etc) and farm mats
• Refine the mats for chances at gold upgrade mats. Keep them to use or sell them.
• Do your daily crafting writs
• Sell your excess materials. Even still a stack of ancestor silk or rubedo leather sells for like 10-12k.

Ravinsild

Oh very cool! Thanks a lot for the start-up guide I appreciate it a lot.

Vangy

To add on, in the long run, get a couple of alts to level 10 or more with skyshard hunting to have enough skill points for crafting. For ex, ive got around 6 toons with all crafts maxed. Im also an ESO + member.

1 toon can do 6 writs a day.
Each writ awards 660-ish gold with a chance at survey/gold mats (especially for enchanting, clothing, blacksmithing, woodworking).
So each toon generates at the minimum --> 660*6 = about 4k a day even if you get 0 writs or gold mats.
6 toons = 4k*6 = 24k a day.
I generally get ard 2-3 kutas, 2-3 tempers, 2-3 waxes, 2-3 rosin PER day.

So in 1 week, i get around 168k gold with crap tons of gold mats. I know its hard to get to this point but if you put in the effort, you will NEVER have to worry about gold ever again!. Good luck!

arkansas_ESO

So, an end-game ganking build will look something like this:

5pc Clever Alchemist (4 body pieces, 1 weapon on your offbar (usually bow))
3pc Agility, robust
1pc Kena
2pc Leki's Focus (1 body piece+greatsword)


Assuming you have no access to any BoP gear (Kena, Bloodspawn, Maelstrom weapons, etc.), you could run something like:

5pc Clever Alchemist (again, 4 body pieces, bow on your offbar)
5pc Hunding's (3 body pieces, dual swords/maces)
*Note: daggers won't work as, with ganking, you're focusing more on crit damage than crit chance, nor will axes work as the bleed can take time to proc and, by the time it's procced, your target has usually healed back to full and his friends have come to help him.
For a pure ganking build, go full Divines (or Infused on chest+legs and Divines on rest, I haven't tested which one is better, maybe somebody else can comment)
You'll want to go Sharpened on your weapons for the extra armor penetration, enchanted with Unresistable Damage.
Enchant everything for max stamina.

If you can't afford 3pc Robust agility, you could go for 3pc robust Endurance, 3pc robust Leki's, or 3pc robust Night Mother's Embrace. Enchant everything with Increase Weapon Damage.

Shadow Mundus.

All attributes into stam, running food that increases your max health+max stamina or just max stamina.

Ideal race is Bosmer (max stam+increased crit damage.)

Stam NB.

Buff up by using any potion that grants Major Brutality on your bow bar (you can get these for cheap from Cyrodiil siege merchants), Relentless Focus, and Radiant Magelight (to proc the Might of the Guild passive in the Mage's Guild line.) Charge up a heavy attack with your bow and, as your character has the bowstring fully pulled back, bar swap to your DW bar and use Surprise Attack. Spam Surprise Attack until they're dead or you are.

Use Shadowy Disguise (morph of Cloak that guarantees a crit) to position yourself, and Shadow Image to escape a failed gank/the impending zerg that's coming to rez their now dead friend.

CP goes something like 100 points into Mighty, rest into Piercing/the CP that increases crit damage. 100 pts into stam recovery, rest into reduced stamina cost. 60 points into Elemental Defender, 60 points into Hardy (unlocking the Unchained passive is key.) You can put the rest of your points into Elemental Defender, Hardy, or the CP that reduces crit damage taken, there's probably a best choice here but I haven't tested enough to know it.

With this build, you'll be pretty good at ganking but squishy as hell. If you feel like you're missing out on the heal from Rally, you could drop 5pc Hundings and DW and go something like 1pc Kena 2pc Leki's, or any other combo that gives you weapon damage+max stamina. The best way to find out is to test for yourselves.

Ravinsild

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

So, an end-game ganking build will look something like this:

5pc Clever Alchemist (4 body pieces, 1 weapon on your offbar (usually bow))
3pc Agility, robust
1pc Kena
2pc Leki's Focus (1 body piece+greatsword)


Assuming you have no access to any BoP gear (Kena, Bloodspawn, Maelstrom weapons, etc.), you could run something like:

5pc Clever Alchemist (again, 4 body pieces, bow on your offbar)
5pc Hunding's (3 body pieces, dual swords/maces)
*Note: daggers won't work as, with ganking, you're focusing more on crit damage than crit chance, nor will axes work as the bleed can take time to proc and, by the time it's procced, your target has usually healed back to full and his friends have come to help him.
For a pure ganking build, go full Divines (or Infused on chest+legs and Divines on rest, I haven't tested which one is better, maybe somebody else can comment)
You'll want to go Sharpened on your weapons for the extra armor penetration, enchanted with Unresistable Damage.
Enchant everything for max stamina.

If you can't afford 3pc Robust agility, you could go for 3pc robust Endurance, 3pc robust Leki's, or 3pc robust Night Mother's Embrace. Enchant everything with Increase Weapon Damage.

Shadow Mundus.

All attributes into stam, running food that increases your max health+max stamina or just max stamina.

Ideal race is Bosmer (max stam+increased crit damage.)

Stam NB.

Buff up by using any potion that grants Major Brutality on your bow bar (you can get these for cheap from Cyrodiil siege merchants), Relentless Focus, and Radiant Magelight (to proc the Might of the Guild passive in the Mage's Guild line.) Charge up a heavy attack with your bow and, as your character has the bowstring fully pulled back, bar swap to your DW bar and use Surprise Attack. Spam Surprise Attack until they're dead or you are.

Use Shadowy Disguise (morph of Cloak that guarantees a crit) to position yourself, and Shadow Image to escape a failed gank/the impending zerg that's coming to rez their now dead friend.

CP goes something like 100 points into Mighty, rest into Piercing/the CP that increases crit damage. 100 pts into stam recovery, rest into reduced stamina cost. 60 points into Elemental Defender, 60 points into Hardy (unlocking the Unchained passive is key.) You can put the rest of your points into Elemental Defender, Hardy, or the CP that reduces crit damage taken, there's probably a best choice here but I haven't tested enough to know it.

With this build, you'll be pretty good at ganking but squishy as hell. If you feel like you're missing out on the heal from Rally, you could drop 5pc Hundings and DW and go something like 1pc Kena 2pc Leki's, or any other combo that gives you weapon damage+max stamina. The best way to find out is to test for yourselves.

Awesome!!! Thank you so much! Then with this I can farm the IC and get stones...and with that make money and work on crafting and build up to a "real" build, farming monster pieces (BoP) etc... Ok. This is an awesome starting point to grow from. Thank you so much. I imagine it will takes month to get rich enough to buy the Robust Agility 3p. In addition to farming the monster drops of the right trait and armor weight and gathering skill points and materials to level crafting, etc..

I think it will be worth all the effort though!

I chose my race as Argonian, while it may not be the most min/max...Hail Sithis! ShadowScales ;3

Ravinsild

How valuable would a vampire be to this type of build?

- Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%
- Reduces damage dealt to you when you fall below 50% health. Lower health increases the effect, reducing damage by up to 33%
- Reduce the movement speed penalty while in crouch by 50%. Decrease the time it takes to crouch by 50% during the night.

These may or may not help? Thoughts? Opinions?

arkansas_ESO

Ravinsild wrote: »

How valuable would a vampire be to this type of build?

- Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%
- Reduces damage dealt to you when you fall below 50% health. Lower health increases the effect, reducing damage by up to 33%
- Reduce the movement speed penalty while in crouch by 50%. Decrease the time it takes to crouch by 50% during the night.

These may or may not help? Thoughts? Opinions?

I know a lot of people run it for the movement speed buff. I never did as I'm already a WW for another build, but vamp can only help you as a ganker.

krathos

Ravinsild wrote: »

How valuable would a vampire be to this type of build?

- Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%
- Reduces damage dealt to you when you fall below 50% health. Lower health increases the effect, reducing damage by up to 33%
- Reduce the movement speed penalty while in crouch by 50%. Decrease the time it takes to crouch by 50% during the night.

These may or may not help? Thoughts? Opinions?

Most "gank" builds like what @arkansas_ESO suggested run vampire for the run speed in stealth alone. Their entire play style is to stay in stealth and attempt to 1 shot-combo someone. More universal stam NB builds like I suggested above to are really up to you. I personally don't run it on my stam NB but I don't run a 1 shot gank build. I instead run werewolf ulti on my bow bar for 15% stam regen.

Ravinsild

krathos wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

How valuable would a vampire be to this type of build?

- Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%
- Reduces damage dealt to you when you fall below 50% health. Lower health increases the effect, reducing damage by up to 33%
- Reduce the movement speed penalty while in crouch by 50%. Decrease the time it takes to crouch by 50% during the night.

These may or may not help? Thoughts? Opinions?

Most "gank" builds like what @arkansas_ESO suggested run vampire for the run speed in stealth alone. Their entire play style is to stay in stealth and attempt to 1 shot-combo someone. More universal stam NB builds like I suggested above to are really up to you. I personally don't run it on my stam NB but I don't run a 1 shot gank build. I instead run werewolf ulti on my bow bar for 15% stam regen.

Okay awesome. Did they not recently nerf that movement speed bonus? I remember early on as a vampire when crouched you went almost as fast as people normal running. As in non-sprinting default running and vampire crouch movement were roughly equal, if not the vampire being slightly faster.

arkansas_ESO

Ravinsild wrote: »

krathos wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

How valuable would a vampire be to this type of build?

- Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%
- Reduces damage dealt to you when you fall below 50% health. Lower health increases the effect, reducing damage by up to 33%
- Reduce the movement speed penalty while in crouch by 50%. Decrease the time it takes to crouch by 50% during the night.

These may or may not help? Thoughts? Opinions?

Most "gank" builds like what @arkansas_ESO suggested run vampire for the run speed in stealth alone. Their entire play style is to stay in stealth and attempt to 1 shot-combo someone. More universal stam NB builds like I suggested above to are really up to you. I personally don't run it on my stam NB but I don't run a 1 shot gank build. I instead run werewolf ulti on my bow bar for 15% stam regen.

Okay awesome. Did they not recently nerf that movement speed bonus? I remember early on as a vampire when crouched you went almost as fast as people normal running. As in non-sprinting default running and vampire crouch movement were roughly equal, if not the vampire being slightly faster.

There used to be a build that stacked the everloving *** out of movement speed with vamp passives+Concealed Weapon+Retreating Maneuvers+some 5pc set that I cannot remember the name of at the moment. They changed it to where the vamp passives don't stack with certain other stealth movement speed buffs.

Ravinsild

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

krathos wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

How valuable would a vampire be to this type of build?

- Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%
- Reduces damage dealt to you when you fall below 50% health. Lower health increases the effect, reducing damage by up to 33%
- Reduce the movement speed penalty while in crouch by 50%. Decrease the time it takes to crouch by 50% during the night.

These may or may not help? Thoughts? Opinions?

Most "gank" builds like what @arkansas_ESO suggested run vampire for the run speed in stealth alone. Their entire play style is to stay in stealth and attempt to 1 shot-combo someone. More universal stam NB builds like I suggested above to are really up to you. I personally don't run it on my stam NB but I don't run a 1 shot gank build. I instead run werewolf ulti on my bow bar for 15% stam regen.

Okay awesome. Did they not recently nerf that movement speed bonus? I remember early on as a vampire when crouched you went almost as fast as people normal running. As in non-sprinting default running and vampire crouch movement were roughly equal, if not the vampire being slightly faster.

There used to be a build that stacked the everloving *** out of movement speed with vamp passives+Concealed Weapon+Retreating Maneuvers+some 5pc set that I cannot remember the name of at the moment. They changed it to where the vamp passives don't stack with certain other stealth movement speed buffs.

Ah, that sounds pretty cool. Either which way it seems slower than it used to but I don't really know.

MrTarkanian48

Ravinsild wrote: »

krathos wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

How valuable would a vampire be to this type of build?

- Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%
- Reduces damage dealt to you when you fall below 50% health. Lower health increases the effect, reducing damage by up to 33%
- Reduce the movement speed penalty while in crouch by 50%. Decrease the time it takes to crouch by 50% during the night.

These may or may not help? Thoughts? Opinions?

Most "gank" builds like what @arkansas_ESO suggested run vampire for the run speed in stealth alone. Their entire play style is to stay in stealth and attempt to 1 shot-combo someone. More universal stam NB builds like I suggested above to are really up to you. I personally don't run it on my stam NB but I don't run a 1 shot gank build. I instead run werewolf ulti on my bow bar for 15% stam regen.

Okay awesome. Did they not recently nerf that movement speed bonus? I remember early on as a vampire when crouched you went almost as fast as people normal running. As in non-sprinting default running and vampire crouch movement were roughly equal, if not the vampire being slightly faster.

A couple things:

Regarding the speed, it does seem somewhat slower. They stated that the 50% was a bug/misprint and that it should ignore 100%. I am not sure if they changed it to 50% unintentionally, or if it is actually the same and it was just a tooltip error. I have a vamp khajiit stam NB, and it is hard to tell. One option you have is to take the concealed weapon magicka morph of Veiled Strike. This gives you 25% increased movement speed in stealth while slotted. Couple this with Major Expedition from Double Take or Rapid Maneuvers and you can really position quickly in stealth. Pros: Faster in stealth Cons: You lose Surprise Attack, so need to switch to Wrecking Blow for melee ganking, or run a bow. I personally use CW because the speed is great.

To be successful I have found that you need to completely sell out for high damage on a gank build. This means maximum damage gear, all damage traits on armor (Divines instead of impen), all damage glyphs on Jewelry. I tried doing it with a more balanced build (Damage and Recovery) and you come up short too often. The stealth mechanics in the game are very buggy. If you engage a target from stealth, and kill them, you can usually re-enter stealth very quickly. However, if you do not kill the target, you will not be able to re-enter stealth, and sometimes you won't be able to for a extended period of time. This is very bad for you, and usually results in you getting promptly zerged down. Also, many people run Radiant Magelight which can make them difficult to kill even for min-maxed builds due to 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks. If you can't kill quickly and escape, you will most likely get killed.

For these reasons you can't make too many sacrifices on gear and race makes a huge difference. I noticed you went Argonian. I would strongly suggest rolling a Wood Elf if you want to do this. I know its a pain, but with DB it does not take long. The stealthy passive is huge. You will have enemies searching for you and you need the reduce detection radius. Also, the 9% damage from stealth is a huge bonus. I won't bore you with numbers, but it is massive on a well specced build when you line up your buffs.

I know you stated you do not have much endgame gear. Keep an eye on the elite merchant in Cyrodiil. If they ever have Kena pieces buy them in divines. In the meantime there is no substitute for Clever Alchemist. With all the buffs you can add to WD, Alchemist ends up ahead of Hundings by around 600 WD. I do Alchemist back bar 2H, and 4 pieces body. 2 Lekis body, 1 Kena, Maelstrom Weapon front bar, 3 Robust Agility. Assuming you dont have Kena and Maelstrom Weapons, the best you can probably do is Alchemist, Lekis, and a 2 pc that gives stam like Nights Silence. You can also try farm the new Flanking Strategist set. This may be the best in slot for gankers when it comes to initial burst damage, however, you will have slightly less damage against opponents that are facing you then you would with Agility.

Aztlan

Another alternative, which I like, is 5 Alchemist, 5 Marksman, 2 Leki. The Marksman set adds 8% damage to bow skills against enemy players and reduces stamina cost by 5%. Marksman jewellery was expensive at first, but it's much cheaper now. Khajiit is also an excellent choice.

Ravinsild

I already have a Khajiit Stamina-Nightblade at max level to be honest. I could do all this with them, but ultimately I wanted a Shadowscale Argonian that could merc people in PvE (Dark Brotherhood) and PvP in 1 shot I mean I'll probably do the build on both my Khajiit and Argonian. I for sure like StamBlade the most out of all my characters. Although a Magicka DK looks fun for PvE (Dunno if they play in pvp)

I knew the racials made some difference but in WoW the damage difference is like 1% or something entirely discountable

Ravinsild

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

So, an end-game ganking build will look something like this:

5pc Clever Alchemist (4 body pieces, 1 weapon on your offbar (usually bow))
3pc Agility, robust
1pc Kena
2pc Leki's Focus (1 body piece+greatsword)


Assuming you have no access to any BoP gear (Kena, Bloodspawn, Maelstrom weapons, etc.), you could run something like:

5pc Clever Alchemist (again, 4 body pieces, bow on your offbar)
5pc Hunding's (3 body pieces, dual swords/maces)
*Note: daggers won't work as, with ganking, you're focusing more on crit damage than crit chance, nor will axes work as the bleed can take time to proc and, by the time it's procced, your target has usually healed back to full and his friends have come to help him.
For a pure ganking build, go full Divines (or Infused on chest+legs and Divines on rest, I haven't tested which one is better, maybe somebody else can comment)
You'll want to go Sharpened on your weapons for the extra armor penetration, enchanted with Unresistable Damage.
Enchant everything for max stamina.

If you can't afford 3pc Robust agility, you could go for 3pc robust Endurance, 3pc robust Leki's, or 3pc robust Night Mother's Embrace. Enchant everything with Increase Weapon Damage.

Shadow Mundus.

All attributes into stam, running food that increases your max health+max stamina or just max stamina.

Ideal race is Bosmer (max stam+increased crit damage.)

Stam NB.

Buff up by using any potion that grants Major Brutality on your bow bar (you can get these for cheap from Cyrodiil siege merchants), Relentless Focus, and Radiant Magelight (to proc the Might of the Guild passive in the Mage's Guild line.) Charge up a heavy attack with your bow and, as your character has the bowstring fully pulled back, bar swap to your DW bar and use Surprise Attack. Spam Surprise Attack until they're dead or you are.

Use Shadowy Disguise (morph of Cloak that guarantees a crit) to position yourself, and Shadow Image to escape a failed gank/the impending zerg that's coming to rez their now dead friend.

CP goes something like 100 points into Mighty, rest into Piercing/the CP that increases crit damage. 100 pts into stam recovery, rest into reduced stamina cost. 60 points into Elemental Defender, 60 points into Hardy (unlocking the Unchained passive is key.) You can put the rest of your points into Elemental Defender, Hardy, or the CP that reduces crit damage taken, there's probably a best choice here but I haven't tested enough to know it.

With this build, you'll be pretty good at ganking but squishy as hell. If you feel like you're missing out on the heal from Rally, you could drop 5pc Hundings and DW and go something like 1pc Kena 2pc Leki's, or any other combo that gives you weapon damage+max stamina. The best way to find out is to test for yourselves.

With this do you gank from melee range or ranged range? I've looked at both of Alcast's builds (Melee and Bow) and for the bow he seems to use a 2h for the 2nd bar for buffs and use snipe. It looks like somehow you've combined his Melee and Bow builds into one?

I'm not sure on full skill bars because the two playstyles seem completely different.

arkansas_ESO

Ravinsild wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

So, an end-game ganking build will look something like this:

5pc Clever Alchemist (4 body pieces, 1 weapon on your offbar (usually bow))
3pc Agility, robust
1pc Kena
2pc Leki's Focus (1 body piece+greatsword)


Assuming you have no access to any BoP gear (Kena, Bloodspawn, Maelstrom weapons, etc.), you could run something like:

5pc Clever Alchemist (again, 4 body pieces, bow on your offbar)
5pc Hunding's (3 body pieces, dual swords/maces)
*Note: daggers won't work as, with ganking, you're focusing more on crit damage than crit chance, nor will axes work as the bleed can take time to proc and, by the time it's procced, your target has usually healed back to full and his friends have come to help him.
For a pure ganking build, go full Divines (or Infused on chest+legs and Divines on rest, I haven't tested which one is better, maybe somebody else can comment)
You'll want to go Sharpened on your weapons for the extra armor penetration, enchanted with Unresistable Damage.
Enchant everything for max stamina.

If you can't afford 3pc Robust agility, you could go for 3pc robust Endurance, 3pc robust Leki's, or 3pc robust Night Mother's Embrace. Enchant everything with Increase Weapon Damage.

Shadow Mundus.

All attributes into stam, running food that increases your max health+max stamina or just max stamina.

Ideal race is Bosmer (max stam+increased crit damage.)

Stam NB.

Buff up by using any potion that grants Major Brutality on your bow bar (you can get these for cheap from Cyrodiil siege merchants), Relentless Focus, and Radiant Magelight (to proc the Might of the Guild passive in the Mage's Guild line.) Charge up a heavy attack with your bow and, as your character has the bowstring fully pulled back, bar swap to your DW bar and use Surprise Attack. Spam Surprise Attack until they're dead or you are.

Use Shadowy Disguise (morph of Cloak that guarantees a crit) to position yourself, and Shadow Image to escape a failed gank/the impending zerg that's coming to rez their now dead friend.

CP goes something like 100 points into Mighty, rest into Piercing/the CP that increases crit damage. 100 pts into stam recovery, rest into reduced stamina cost. 60 points into Elemental Defender, 60 points into Hardy (unlocking the Unchained passive is key.) You can put the rest of your points into Elemental Defender, Hardy, or the CP that reduces crit damage taken, there's probably a best choice here but I haven't tested enough to know it.

With this build, you'll be pretty good at ganking but squishy as hell. If you feel like you're missing out on the heal from Rally, you could drop 5pc Hundings and DW and go something like 1pc Kena 2pc Leki's, or any other combo that gives you weapon damage+max stamina. The best way to find out is to test for yourselves.

With this do you gank from melee range or ranged range? I've looked at both of Alcast's builds (Melee and Bow) and for the bow he seems to use a 2h for the 2nd bar for buffs and use snipe. It looks like somehow you've combined his Melee and Bow builds into one?

I'm not sure on full skill bars because the two playstyles seem completely different.

Melee. The idea is to stealth behind your target, buff up, drink your potion, cast Radiant Magelight, charge up a heavy bow attack, and then bar swap (causing your heavy attack to off) and use surprise attack.

BoaNoite

what would both bars be with skills running either dual wield and bow or 2h and bow?

bowmanz607

5pc hundings, 3 pc ashen grip, 3 pc blue leki jewelry.
-Hundings and ashen are craft able and usually can find people even in zone willing to craft it or join a guild if you have not yet. Typically will craft for free.
-blue leki is real cheap.
-even v15 is fine and you remain very viable. All my builds are tested with v15 armor no problem. V15 is very cheap.
-I go ashen grip because even as a ganked not all ganks will go how you think and some are harder to bring down than others, so finding ways to get your health between 18k-20k is crucial Imo. Especially I ally with ever growing swarms of people.

Bow for range and dw for melee.
-bow-snipe, heavy poison injection combo. Follow up with ambush incap strike, execute combo if needed.
-dw-heavy attack. Suprised attack weave with incap strike. Follow up with heavy attack, SA weave then execute if needed.

Blue or purple weapon damage enchants. Purple are cheap usually at v15 or blue v15 or v16.

Tri stat purple food or blue stam/mag recovery drink. Both are cheap.

Stam pots are fine for cheap, but ultimately find one that fits your playstyle.

Blue/purple armor glyphs v15

Purple gear is cheap but you really want to do what you can to get maxed out gold qeapons. It is simply a big difference and you can really feel the difference.

I bet if you shop around and do it right you could spend no more than 10k-15k which can be grinded up quickly even if you are slow at grinding.

Ravinsild

Thanks for all the replies everyone! I really appreciate it!