Stam Sorc

Pallio

Saw a video about stam sorc featured this week. Guess they are fine now with OP Hurricane ability. Might check it out again.

MartinDeShade

Yes they are quite good solo. But do they have a good role in trials? Not as a dps or healer, but I guess you could be a good off tank for a group that needed such a thing(and if you didn't have access to a DK tank). Or how about in pvp? Not really, Hurricane is about doing a lot of little damage that crits at least once a second to get Critical Surge to go off.

But since the developers use things like VMA scores to estimate how good classes are doing, they will just nerf the sorcs, without helping them for trials or pvp.

Waffennacht

MartinDeShade wrote: »

Yes they are quite good solo. But do they have a good role in trials? Not as a dps or healer, but I guess you could be a good off tank for a group that needed such a thing(and if you didn't have access to a DK tank). Or how about in pvp? Not really, Hurricane is about doing a lot of little damage that crits at least once a second to get Critical Surge to go off.

But since the developers use things like VMA scores to estimate how good classes are doing, they will just nerf the sorcs, without helping them for trials or pvp.

Drops the mic and walks off stage...

Couldn't said it better myself

Pallio

Magic sorc is dead, we all know that, I am talking about STAM SORC.

Which was not very strong to begin with, but, as a featured build by ESO now, I they think it is awesome now... Since a steamer figured out a way to play it now, they rest of us must just not be doing right and missing out on its new uberness. :-)

Cathexis

Hurricane is a passive aoe execute proc, and if you use surge a chance to heal. That's about it.

Waffennacht

Pallio wrote: »

Magic sorc is dead, we all know that, I am talking about STAM SORC.

Which was not very strong to begin with, but, as a featured build by ESO now, I they think it is awesome now... Since a steamer figured out a way to play it now, they rest of us must just not be doing right and missing out on its new uberness. :-)

See I would try a stam version but with no race change, my altmer just doesn't wanna hit the gym.

And I really don't look forward to undaunted and pvp skill line leveling again...

Oh bother

MrTarkanian48

I have a V16 Redguard Stam Sorc, and my opinion is as follows:

They are fast with boundless storm, however, if you take the Hurricane morph, you lose some of the speed utility of Boundless.

Crit Surge change can be debated either way. If you run alot of DoTs with Maelstrom Weapons, you will get alot of heals which is nice. You will no longer be able to get huge burst heals however from WB or Crit Rush. Crit Surge does un-cuff you from 2H for rally which is nice, when compared to a stam NB.

Streak is relatively worthless as you don't have enough Magic to spam it like a mag sorc. Its a fun ability, just not that useful.

Bound Armaments gives you 8% max stamina. You need to double bar it, which eats up alot of space for abilities, but if you do, it allows you to have the highest stamina pool of any class.

They are basically a raw stat machine, without a great deal of utility. As a stam sorc you will maybe use 2-3 class abilities tops, and the rest weapon or FG. The ultimates are not good, except maybe Negate in certain situations, but you will most likely use Dawnbreaker or Werewolf which you can do on any stam build.

My issue is that even though they do some things well, other classes, specifically Stam DK, do it better. If you do a DoT DPS build, Stam DK will beat it. If you want to maneuver around PVP, Stam NB's have so many useful class abilities that make them superior.

There best quality is raw stats, and they most likely do the best AoE DPS for a stam build with Steel Tornado and Hurricane. But typically AoE is only valuable in trash fights. Id rather do lower DPS in trash fights, and do better single target DPS on boss fights than vice versa.

TL:DR They aren't unplayable, and this patch did give them a buff. But if you want to do PVE stam DPS, stam DK is better. If you want to do PVP, every other class is better.

Volckodav

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I have a V16 Redguard Stam Sorc, and my opinion is as follows:

They are fast with boundless storm, however, if you take the Hurricane morph, you lose some of the speed utility of Boundless.

Crit Surge change can be debated either way. If you run alot of DoTs with Maelstrom Weapons, you will get alot of heals which is nice. You will no longer be able to get huge burst heals however from WB or Crit Rush. Crit Surge does un-cuff you from 2H for rally which is nice, when compared to a stam NB.

Streak is relatively worthless as you don't have enough Magic to spam it like a mag sorc. Its a fun ability, just not that useful.

Bound Armaments gives you 8% max stamina. You need to double bar it, which eats up alot of space for abilities, but if you do, it allows you to have the highest stamina pool of any class.

They are basically a raw stat machine, without a great deal of utility. As a stam sorc you will maybe use 2-3 class abilities tops, and the rest weapon or FG. The ultimates are not good, except maybe Negate in certain situations, but you will most likely use Dawnbreaker or Werewolf which you can do on any stam build.

My issue is that even though they do some things well, other classes, specifically Stam DK, do it better. If you do a DoT DPS build, Stam DK will beat it. If you want to maneuver around PVP, Stam NB's have so many useful class abilities that make them superior.

There best quality is raw stats, and they most likely do the best AoE DPS for a stam build with Steel Tornado and Hurricane. But typically AoE is only valuable in trash fights. Id rather do lower DPS in trash fights, and do better single target DPS on boss fights than vice versa.

TL:DR They aren't unplayable, and this patch did give them a buff. But if you want to do PVE stam DPS, stam DK is better. If you want to do PVP, every other class is better.

Thanks for good feedback.
And only for Maelstrom arena solo content, do you think is a good choice, maybe the "easiest" to pass it, based on healing and good dd possibility?

MrTarkanian48

Volckodav wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I have a V16 Redguard Stam Sorc, and my opinion is as follows:

They are fast with boundless storm, however, if you take the Hurricane morph, you lose some of the speed utility of Boundless.

Crit Surge change can be debated either way. If you run alot of DoTs with Maelstrom Weapons, you will get alot of heals which is nice. You will no longer be able to get huge burst heals however from WB or Crit Rush. Crit Surge does un-cuff you from 2H for rally which is nice, when compared to a stam NB.

Streak is relatively worthless as you don't have enough Magic to spam it like a mag sorc. Its a fun ability, just not that useful.

Bound Armaments gives you 8% max stamina. You need to double bar it, which eats up alot of space for abilities, but if you do, it allows you to have the highest stamina pool of any class.

They are basically a raw stat machine, without a great deal of utility. As a stam sorc you will maybe use 2-3 class abilities tops, and the rest weapon or FG. The ultimates are not good, except maybe Negate in certain situations, but you will most likely use Dawnbreaker or Werewolf which you can do on any stam build.

My issue is that even though they do some things well, other classes, specifically Stam DK, do it better. If you do a DoT DPS build, Stam DK will beat it. If you want to maneuver around PVP, Stam NB's have so many useful class abilities that make them superior.

There best quality is raw stats, and they most likely do the best AoE DPS for a stam build with Steel Tornado and Hurricane. But typically AoE is only valuable in trash fights. Id rather do lower DPS in trash fights, and do better single target DPS on boss fights than vice versa.

TL:DR They aren't unplayable, and this patch did give them a buff. But if you want to do PVE stam DPS, stam DK is better. If you want to do PVP, every other class is better.

Thanks for good feedback.
And only for Maelstrom arena solo content, do you think is a good choice, maybe the "easiest" to pass it, based on healing and good dd possibility?

I have not attempted vMA on my Stam Sorc. I have completed it on my Stam NB (which was somewhat painful), and I run it regularly on my Mag NB.

That being said, I would think Crit Surge might help you maintain your health. However, it used to be nice when it was 60% of the damage returned in health. You could crit on a wrecking blow or crit surge and get massive heals. Now since it is less, and procs off dots I am not sure how it shakes out.

In general, stam builds typically struggle more than mag builds in vMA. Though it may not be the worst option, it is probably not the best. Plus if you are trying to make Leaderboard scores, Mag sorcs post some of the highest numbers in the game, though I don't know if that will change with some of the sorc changes.

If you were looking for a build that will help you complete Maelstrom, I don't think Stam Sorc would be my first choice. I like to run it on my Mag NB, and know others that do well on Mag Templar.

iam117

its doable, and stam sorc is great to do it on, also stam sorc does great in new Vso, hrc, and dsa, hoping to hop into VmoL this week too and see how it does in there.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/271046/arcann-fear-turbo-eso-stamina-sorc-vma-552k#latest

NativeJoe

To be fair, under every occasion where I've fought a stam sorc, it has lasted longer then stamina dk's I fight.

@Tyrannitar For instance is a excellent Stam Sorc who took me what, over minute in fighting, and yet in open world he would have simply out paced me, then zoomed back to fight again. IF he used WW I'd legitimately be scared.

Every stamina dk out there that I encountered and dueled hasn't lasted or posed much of a danger at all.

so in pvp I'd put stam sorc above stamina dk. Not because stam sorcs are more OP, but because their collective player base has far more skill then almost any dk I've ever fought. Could also be that Stamina DK's don't use mobility and simply just leap at me, dizzy swing, and shield knock back combo me and that 1 trick monkey has run it's course. And stam sorcs are using streak, running super fast, dropping traps, and executing deeply effective hit and run tactics, some dot you up... and basically when you encounter them you never know what skill set or damage combo your going to be fighting. with stamina dk's you know exactly what they're going to do...every single time. And thats why they lose, every single time.

Waffennacht

I'm leveling up a dunmer sorc with plans of making him stamina based.

I've had this idea ever since mork.

I really want a bow based stam sorc using Daedric prey and Mork.

I'll be honest, it's A LOT of RP. He was born and raised to hunt Argonians in the swamps, capturing them for the slave trade. With the abolishment of slavery he was decided to turn to a life of crime, (some may say continuing a life of crime) using his natural magicka abilities to supplement his stealthy nature to steal... or kill... what ever the current employer wishes.

Molag Bal is bad for business along with with this pesky alliance strife. With the reemergence of the Dark Brotherhood either more competition or maybe more business?

Will something turn our hero to the light or mayhaps the racial conflict with Argonians never forgive?
Stay tuned!

Anyway... yeah I'm working on one.

Skitttles

Anything a stam sorc can do another class can do better. Except run fast...

Lynx7386

I'm considering changing my magicka sorc to stamina now that db is coming to consoles. He's a khajiit which makes more sense for stamina, and I like the idea of turning myself into a walking blender with hurricane, blade cloak, and steel tornado. Seems like it'd be fun for leveling

DovresMalven

Skitttles wrote: »

Anything a stam sorc can do another class can do better. Except run fast...

We have mastered the art of running fast xD

Tyrannitar

liv3mind wrote: »

its doable, and stam sorc is great to do it on, also stam sorc does great in new Vso, hrc, and dsa, hoping to hop into VmoL this week too and see how it does in there.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/271046/arcann-fear-turbo-eso-stamina-sorc-vma-552k#latest

Dude. Please message me in game @Tyrannitar or send me mail in game. I NEED to know the vMoL stam sorc build. As a black khajiit I NEED that skin >.>

NativeJoe wrote: »

To be fair, under every occasion where I've fought a stam sorc, it has lasted longer then stamina dk's I fight.

@Tyrannitar For instance is a excellent Stam Sorc who took me what, over minute in fighting, and yet in open world he would have simply out paced me, then zoomed back to fight again. IF he used WW I'd legitimately be scared...

And thanks!

You're definitely the only dude I know that runs a viable pet build

Zuuda

Yeah, Fear's video really made me want to try a stam sorc. I felt squishy last time I tried it but the way he had it put together it feels durable. I'm not sure of the actual DPS it has since it is built for survival where a DPS role usually goes... well.. DPS. But it appeals to me about being a blender and capable of surviving when everyone else has died.

One of the things holding me back is that I tend to heal when we do the random daily dungeon and going stamina would put an end to it. Well, that and being mostly melee. I'm more of a ranged person.

Autolycus

MartinDeShade wrote: »

Yes they are quite good solo. But do they have a good role in trials? Not as a dps or healer, but I guess you could be a good off tank for a group that needed such a thing(and if you didn't have access to a DK tank). Or how about in pvp? Not really, Hurricane is about doing a lot of little damage that crits at least once a second to get Critical Surge to go off.

But since the developers use things like VMA scores to estimate how good classes are doing, they will just nerf the sorcs, without helping them for trials or pvp.

Disagree. My stam sorc is beast and pulls very strong trials numbers. Is he a stam DK? Of course not, neither is every other class. Can he whoop ass? Yuuuup.

iam117

Tyrannitar wrote: »

Dude. Please message me in game @Tyrannitar or send me mail in game. I NEED to know the vMoL stam sorc build. As a black khajiit I NEED that skin >.>

to be fair i have not beat vMOL yet, very close but not yet, il try to remember to shoot you a message, i wont be back in game till wednesday night for my guilds progression raid in vMOL, but my experience with stam sorc is good so far albeit quite limited, i have not played stam toon since 1.5, so getting used to it again, and im coming from magicka sorc, so its quite a different playstyle, but my first time in new Vso last week with stam sorc was very good imho, first trial run with him and i was able to do 26k on manti on vet, not bad for relearning the old strats too. once i figure the rotation out completely and gold all my armor i expect 33k+ on bloodspawn test (self buffs only). i have the same @name in game (@liv3mind) so if you want you can shoot me a message/friend request and if your on il go over my build with you. if not i will try to remember to shoot you a msg Wednesday night.

Lynx7386

Would it be possible to build a stamsorc tank with heavy armor?

acw37162

The nicest thing about stam sorc is the ability to combine major and minor expidition relatively easily, which makes for a faster play style and since the developers seem to be actively working to slow pace of play to slightly slower then slug speed, the speed is refreshing.

If you play it how it's designed you need to double or triple bar if you use overload bound armaments. Which leaves you with eight spots.

For eight spots you have no damage abilities, crit surge (7 spots), hurricane (6 spots).

In he remaining six spots you need to find an AOE damage ability, a direct damage ability, at least other preferably 2 single target or AOE dots, your major critical strike bonus, a reliable passive self heal, major expidition or some utility. Which is a long way of saying it gets incredibly boring constructing a load out and you are constantly having to sub skills in and out between fights depending on the type of fight for PVE. Which may not be very hard on PC but on console the simple act of replacing rending slashes with steel tornado is a pain in he ass and generally puts you behind the rest of your party playing catch up.

I actually like bound armaments as a toggle as compared to managing it as a straight buff I just wish it was an active skill.

Where as when you had the toggle active and took damage "X", when "X" happens enough times you can do "Y" have it in a internal cool down so it can only happen every 7 to 10 seconds or whatever the balance point is.

My very basic idea would be, while bound armaments is active every time you take damage you obtain a magical or physical charge depending on the morph, after "X" charges you can activate and AOE physical or lightening explosion depending on the morph.

Also the explosion expires relatively quickly so it's a small window to use 1.5 maybe 2 seconds and the charges fizzle and reset.

Or does not damage but is an AOE stun which would be a cool tanking utility skill.

Or an AOE health drain.

Or you could also make it so the charges offer some shielding instead of damage you could really do anything just make the skill active so giving up two spots on the bar doesn't mean I can't occasionally use those skill spots or push that button.

Also the AoE electrical explosion graphics are already in the game as an NPC ability.

Xvorg

Pelinal's aptitude + deugh king slayer on a sorc. That's OP

Don't know how you will increase stam or magicka, but OP anyway

Lynx7386

Loving these changes. Tonight my level 16 stam sorc (20 pts in stamina, 7 heavy armor, dw\shield) solod banished cells with relative ease, only really had issues with the final boss and that just took longer.

I think at higher levels stam sorc will be a really fun tanking build.

Waffennacht

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Loving these changes. Tonight my level 16 stam sorc (20 pts in stamina, 7 heavy armor, dw\shield) solod banished cells with relative ease, only really had issues with the final boss and that just took longer.

I think at higher levels stam sorc will be a really fun tanking build.

Hey @Lynx7386 whatcha runnin on that? I'm working on my dark elf, only have one weapon atm lol. So I'm just looking to see what you're doin.

I can't decide if I wanna go bow dw or bow 2h, and then I dunno outside of some staples what to run, I mean I got tons of ideas but still would like to learn.

Oh and I'm having, sadly, a lot more fun thus far with a stam character.

Lynx7386

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Loving these changes. Tonight my level 16 stam sorc (20 pts in stamina, 7 heavy armor, dw\shield) solod banished cells with relative ease, only really had issues with the final boss and that just took longer.

I think at higher levels stam sorc will be a really fun tanking build.

Hey @Lynx7386 whatcha runnin on that? I'm working on my dark elf, only have one weapon atm lol. So I'm just looking to see what you're doin.

I can't decide if I wanna go bow dw or bow 2h, and then I dunno outside of some staples what to run, I mean I got tons of ideas but still would like to learn.

Oh and I'm having, sadly, a lot more fun thus far with a stam character.

7 heavy armor, dual daggers on the first bar, 1h/shield on the second bar. I eventually want this character to be a tank for pledges, so that's what I'm building him towards. right now i have 20 attribute points put into stamina, and health enchants on all my gear.

I went with dual wield primarily because it synergizes well with hurricane. Eventually I'll be able to use hurricane + blade cloak for passive aoe damage around me, and then whirlwind for aoe burst/execute damage. Dual wield with daggers also gives 10% extra critical chance, which means critical surge will proc as often as possible for self healing.

When I ran banished cells solo last night, my bar setup was:

dw:
Rapid Strikes
Hurricane
Lightning Splash
Summon Twilight
Summon Clannfear
Ultimate: Energy Overload

1h/shield:
Heroic Strike
Hurricane
Lightning SPlash
Summon Twilight
Summon Clannfear
Ultimate: Storm Atronach

Basically most of my damage came from keeping hurricane and lightning splash down. On packs of enemies I'd pick the most dangerous ones (usually mages/archers) and spam rapid strikes with light/medium attack weaves on them to burn them down more quickly. I did die on a couple of the larger packs, but was able to kill enough prior to dying to resurrect and finish them off.

On bosses, the clannfear tanked for the most part. I used heroic strike to keep my ultimate built up, and the clannfear's activated ability to heal myself and the pet. because I dont have any points in magicka, I only have enough magicka to heal 2-3 times with the clannfear's ability, so on fights where damage was heavier I would turn on the energy overload ultimate and use light/heavy attacks to keep magicka recharging faster while healing with the clannfear ability.

On the final boss, the main issue was those globe orbs that spawn every few seconds - if they get to the kinlord, they heal him back to full health. Since I was running dual wield/shield, I had no ranged attacks to speak of, and after a couple attempts I had to find another way to deal with the orbs when they spawned.
For that fight I kept energy overload on for the whole fight, using my light attacks only to attack the orbs at range (energy overload 1 shot the orbs, so one attack per orb, that let me keep the overload active for so long). My only damage output was from the pets, lightning splash, and hurricane. I had to revive the clannfear several times during the fight and constantly heal him though, so it was slow going, but eventually wore the boss down.

Waffennacht

Gotta be honest, interesting idea on that cloak with hurricane for AoE dmg, without having to use an ability and hittin surge proc
Thanks for the information, gave me a bit to think about.

It's gonna be a while before I'm comfortable with Stam builds and I like these ideas to test.

Zuuda

I'm so effing tempted, tbh. But I'm also the one who has been acting as a healer so if I drop out to a DPS-ey role we'll be healer-less.

I was testing my templar earlier and thinking that heck, between Vigor and Bloodthirst the stamina sorc is going to pretty much play the same, except with a huge radius Hurricane and Caltrops hitting everything at once.

juhasman

Pallio wrote: »

Magic sorc is dead, we all know that...

Here is answer to for DEAD magic sorcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT3gIrnkgTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTcprvIFDcI
Both movies maked after DB dlc release.

Brrrofski

So I've ran a stam sorc since IC. Got update on xbox last Tuesday. Made a new build for my stamplar first and been loving that.

Yesterday, put the exact same gear on my stam Sorc, dropped my bow for dual maces though.

Stam sorc is so much stronger than it was. I couldn't believe how powerful I felt in comparison. It was very good. Than I got hit by poisons and dots and snares non stop and could barely heal damage even and realised it's just a worse version of my stamplar.

It's good now. It's competitive in pvp. Hurricane has surprising damage, dawnbreaker of smiting being awesome and so cheap on a sorc and some class changes have especially helped. But, like other have said, the other classes do stam better.

Autolycus

juhasman wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Magic sorc is dead, we all know that...

Here is answer to for DEAD magic sorcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT3gIrnkgTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTcprvIFDcI
Both movies maked after DB dlc release.

Finally someone else who isn't on the "omfg mag sorcs suck now" bandwagon. Kudos to you, and nice work in vMA.

americansteel

Pallio wrote: »

Saw a video about stam sorc featured this week. Guess they are fine now with OP Hurricane ability. Might check it out again.

they are fine now? they were always fine! high mobilty mines and overload, must be nice.

stam sorc players need nothing never did. the only players who reserve the right to complain are those who use DK and templar.

i seen several streamers cry yet they seem to not have a problem killing people. even decent players roll stam sorc and do fine.