Vet Rank Removal has really highlighted difference in racial bonuses (aka "My Nord is Rubbish")

Didaco

Asmael wrote: »

Didaco wrote: »

IMO depends on what you mean by "performing".
You mean he can't kill stuff fast enough?
My redguard stamblade has roughly 3900 wd and 37k stam, if he was a nord he'd have 34k stam. Those 3k stam equates roughly 130wd, how can you feel such change?

Also, I thought that nord mitigation passive would have had its spot in the new penetration meta (sound so bad, I know...).

3k stam is not 130 wd.

Raw damage = Stam / 10.46 + WD, so 3k stam is actually 286 WD. That's almost Hunding's 5th piece.

Also, mitigation is multiplicative, so that 6% mitigation is actually 3% on a resist capped build. Nords are best for health regen tanks, but that's about it.

Whoah I completely misinterpreted formulaes, now that's huge...
Good thing I only have 2 Redguards and an Altmer then

Sethro_27

CossackHD wrote: »

"with the same class, the same allocation of CP, the same allocation of skillpoints and attribute points, and wearing the exact same gear"
Uhh, aren't different races making just as big difference in the play-style as class choices? Of course Nords aren't as good at DPS as Khajiit, but Nords are "hardy" and supposedly better at tanking. Just as different classes, different races have different roles on field too. All dem RPG games with different racials are "racist", you know.

So only certain people can play pvp and only certain people can play a certain difficulty in pve? Your alienating people by having certain races play better then others the "tank" races cant tank cause the "dps" races constantly do more and more damage what are you going to do ha e more and more health?

Vangy

@Jar_Ek

I wouldn't worry too much about Pigeon holing. My imperial dk tank specced for dps just to clear VMSA managed it. My nord Templar finished it too. So did all my dps toons. Like at the very end game, you might see a 5-10% difference with the best race for a build vs a non-optimal race. You can still finish all content. Don't take too much heed from people saying you can't do it.

People act like picking a wrong race for a build means your Gg. If you are competing in the top echelons of the spectrum then yeah. But I guarantee you people trolling about races are mostly people who are nowhere near that level. Yeah race matters. But it dosent make or break builds. Everything is still very very clearable in both pvp and pve.

And this is where I rest from this thread lol. Like I mentioned before, these arguments have been had tons of time over the years. There's always no end in sight. Some people want races to matter while some want it to be just cosmetics. Both sides have their reasons. For me, it dosent really matter either way.

idk

Nifty2g wrote: »

I think it was soft caps that did this, not veteran rank removal

Agree. Removing vet ranks had zero affect on racial passives.

Zos plans to introduce racial passive changes to the crown store, eventually. I think this year.

Sethro_27

Vangy wrote: »

@Jar_Ek

I wouldn't worry too much about Pigeon holing. My imperial dk tank specced for dps just to clear VMSA managed it. My nord Templar finished it too. So did all my dps toons. Like at the very end game, you might see a 5-10% difference with the best race for a build vs a non-optimal race. You can still finish all content. Don't take too much heed from people saying you can't do it.

People act like picking a wrong race for a build means your Gg. If you are competing in the top echelons of the spectrum then yeah. But I guarantee you people trolling about races are mostly people who are nowhere near that level. Yeah race matters. But it dosent make or break builds. Everything is still very very clearable in both pvp and pve.

And this is where I rest from this thread lol. Like I mentioned before, these arguments have been had tons of time over the years. There's always no end in sight. Some people want races to matter while some want it to be just cosmetics. Both sides have their reasons. For me, it dosent really matter either way.

I completely disagree. A magicma race can hit you repetitively for an extra 12% a tank race only has that extra 12% once its gone its gone. That dpsr could take out multiple ppl and monsters better then another race. Making a whole nother level of difficulty would you just wanna play your char the way you want to and share yours with other people who enjoy it too?

Jar_Ek

@Vangy Well as I have the least logical build ever (Argonian stamina sorcerer tank) I doubt I can really complain too much anyway. But before soft caps were removed the difference between races was tiny, now it can be pretty big. Ultimately that is my issue with races atm.