Now that Sorcs are dead in pvp anyone have a game where that archtype is fun to play?

bardx86

Looking for a new game for wizard/sorc class.

FortheloveofKrist

Thinly veiled at best. It's still an "I'm leaving" thread.

Tryxus

Hello Kitty Online

Chres

warhammer online. bye

Wollust

So salty

Mady

I am Bread - Beware: Sorc OP in that game.

FleetwoodSmack

susmitds

Shield Stacking got a major boost and the only nerf for the sorcerers in PvP was the surge nerf. For the rest everything is fine.

bardx86

It's not I'm leaving just waiting till class is playable/fun. But still looking for suggestions.

Cathexis

No salt here, just not going to waste my time with a garbage game. I'm looking for the same thing, thinking of going back to path of exile if I can't find something else.

bardx86

And ya totally salty, its stupid change.

bardx86

susmitds wrote: »

Shield Stacking got a major boost and the only nerf for the sorcerers in PvP was the surge nerf. For the rest everything is fine.

whatever, plenty of post stating other wise. guess you just don't know they dynamics of the game.

Paneross

You mean a game where a class is extremely unfair and unbalanced?

Zaldan

could u log into trueflame eu and tell that to all the sorcs running about before u leave

susmitds

bardx86 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Shield Stacking got a major boost and the only nerf for the sorcerers in PvP was the surge nerf. For the rest everything is fine.

whatever, plenty of post stating other wise. guess you just don't know they dynamics of the game.

Bad players always cry and other QQers join them.
I care for only facts and numbers. Care to provide some?

Judas Helviaryn

Look, if someone can't handle Sorcerer without 20 sec shields, then that someone really was never good in the first place. That special someone should learn to play without crutches, he may even learn how to run without them. Bye for now, Mr. Someone.

KingYogi415

Who only plays one class?

bardx86

susmitds wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Shield Stacking got a major boost and the only nerf for the sorcerers in PvP was the surge nerf. For the rest everything is fine.

whatever, plenty of post stating other wise. guess you just don't know they dynamics of the game.

Bad players always cry and other QQers join them.
I care for only facts and numbers. Care to provide some?

so the number 2 sorc on AD last campaign is a bad player, ok right. look you don't have to agree with me thats fine. i can give you 6 numbers and in how little the shield is.

bardx86

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Look, if someone can't handle Sorcerer without 20 sec shields, then that someone really was never good in the first place. That special someone should learn to play without crutches, he may even learn how to run without them. Bye for now, Mr. Someone.

i'd love to see a video of a mag sorc pvp'n without shields.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

This has got to be the single best "puff-up-and-flounce-away" thread I've EVER seen.

Korah_Eaglecry

Cathexis wrote: »

No salt here, just not going to waste my time with a garbage game. I'm looking for the same thing, thinking of going back to path of exile if I can't find something else.

I live in the Midwest but its like an ocean breeze right now...strange.

Judas Helviaryn

bardx86 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Look, if someone can't handle Sorcerer without 20 sec shields, then that someone really was never good in the first place. That special someone should learn to play without crutches, he may even learn how to run without them. Bye for now, Mr. Someone.

i'd love to see a video of a mag sorc pvp'n without shields.

Plenty of us in Haderus PC NA. Quite a few in the leaderboards as well. Hell, I play with 2k ping at peak time, and still hold my own. Shields are fine.

gamerguy757

Sorcs aren't dead, they just aren't the easiest to play. Here follow these steps.
1. DROP MOLAG KENA AND JULIANOS.
2. FOCUS ON INCREASING MAGICKA AND REGEN
3. REPEAT STEP 2.
4. STOP WORRYING ABOUT SPELL DAMAGE. ANYTHING OVER 2200 IS FINE.

Here's what I'm running:
5x Kagrenacs OR 5x Seducer (trying to figure this one out).
3x Elemental Succession
3x Willpower
All divines, Atronach Mundus

Increase of 10k magicka just from enchants and bonuses alone.
Regen up 600 from bonuses and mundus
Increase of 1059 extra Spell Damage.

With high regen, recasting shields constantly will be easier. Sure our main heal went away, but we still have Healing Ward and Degeneration.

bardx86

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Look, if someone can't handle Sorcerer without 20 sec shields, then that someone really was never good in the first place. That special someone should learn to play without crutches, he may even learn how to run without them. Bye for now, Mr. Someone.

i'd love to see a video of a mag sorc pvp'n without shields.

Plenty of us in Haderus PC NA. Quite a few in the leaderboards as well. Hell, I play with 2k ping at peak time, and still hold my own. Shields are fine.

I don't even know where to begin with this statement. The game is unplayable with anything over 130 ping.

magnusthorek

My main is a Sorcerer and I even though I'm unable to do VMA due health conditions, I always relied heavily on shields and got very shocked when my only form of protection was nerfed badly.

Although I see videos and FT reports of non overload Sorcerers reaching 25, 30, 40k DPS, I can't see this as true for me, and I use the same bread-and-butter gear and skills. Sometimes I smell cheat, but that's not the point.

My point is, if you learn how to be shield-less Sorcerer you will do great. I don't know in PvP, specially because now everyone is shielded (meh), but end-game content is much more doable since the nerf because CPs spent in Bastion are worthless, so all those 100 points are much valuable 50/50 in Hardy Elemental Defender or 33/33/33 if considering the Spell Shield too.

A good example is that prior to the patch, being so dependent of my shields, I barely survived did anything good in Sanctum Ophidia. Now, I still die of course, but purely due lag. That hugely excessive amount of poison in there, that used to destroy my shields with me inside, even stacking both shields (Hardened Ward + Harness Magicka) are not that dangerous anymore.

They still harm... a lot, specially in that phase the whole screen get green and you have to stack together, but harness Magicka alone is enough to not get you killed anymore. Plus, because it's so short (in time) and easily destroyed (6k) you can constantly regen harness magicka from the poison clouds.

Just my two cents...

bardx86

magnusthorek wrote: »

My main is a Sorcerer and I even though I'm unable to do VMA due health conditions, I always relied heavily on shields and got very shocked when my only form of protection was nerfed badly.

Although I see videos and FT reports of non overload Sorcerers reaching 25, 30, 40k DPS, I can't see this as true for me, and I use the same bread-and-butter gear and skills. Sometimes I smell cheat, but that's not the point.

My point is, if you learn how to be shield-less Sorcerer you will do great. I don't know in PvP, specially because now everyone is shielded (meh), but end-game content is much more doable since the nerf because CPs spent in Bastion are worthless, so all those 100 points are much valuable 50/50 in Hardy Elemental Defender or 33/33/33 if considering the Spell Shield too.

A good example is that prior to the patch, being so dependent of my shields, I barely survived did anything good in Sanctum Ophidia. Now, I still die of course, but purely due lag. That hugely excessive amount of poison in there, that used to destroy my shields with me inside, even stacking both shields (Hardened Ward + Harness Magicka) are not that dangerous anymore.

They still harm... a lot, specially in that phase the whole screen get green and you have to stack together, but harness Magicka alone is enough to not get you killed anymore. Plus, because it's so short (in time) and easily destroyed (6k) you can constantly regen harness magicka from the poison clouds.

Just my two cents...

only pvp man.

susmitds

bardx86 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Shield Stacking got a major boost and the only nerf for the sorcerers in PvP was the surge nerf. For the rest everything is fine.

whatever, plenty of post stating other wise. guess you just don't know they dynamics of the game.

Bad players always cry and other QQers join them.
I care for only facts and numbers. Care to provide some?

so the number 2 sorc on AD last campaign is a bad player, ok right. look you don't have to agree with me thats fine. i can give you 6 numbers and in how little the shield is.

I finished 1st and 2nd three times in campaigns as well. That does not make me a very good player. If anything, that is a measure of the time and effort I put into the game which is something I can't nowadays with my decreased free time. Now with the increased zergs in Haderus, AP farming is breeze. Heck, just repairing stuff will fetch a lot of AP if you are aiming for the top spot. Leaderboards are useless in determining good players.

Shield strength is untouched and the only thing changed is the duration. The main issue of Shield Stacking is still there and now even better due to addition of another shield.

And your opponent takes anything more than 3-4 secs to burst your shield, he is doing something wrong.

Judas Helviaryn

bardx86 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Look, if someone can't handle Sorcerer without 20 sec shields, then that someone really was never good in the first place. That special someone should learn to play without crutches, he may even learn how to run without them. Bye for now, Mr. Someone.

i'd love to see a video of a mag sorc pvp'n without shields.

Plenty of us in Haderus PC NA. Quite a few in the leaderboards as well. Hell, I play with 2k ping at peak time, and still hold my own. Shields are fine.

I don't even know where to begin with this statement. The game is unplayable with anything over 130 ping.

Oh you would be surprised what's playable with satellite internet. 800 ping is a breeze, you don't even notice it anymore. Muscle memory counts for a lot. 2k gets me a bit hot under the collar, but its still doable.

OdinForge

Tryxus wrote: »

Hello Kitty Online

Peekachu99

Your QQ has no meat, since I've been maining a Templar (most repeatedly neutered class in the game) since day one. And loving it. The nerf bat hit sorcs this time, and we've seen the whingeing masses come out of the woodwork. Sorry you can't stack three shields for 20-30s anymore and you actually have to think tactically, and pay attention to your resources and enemies.

I also tank and I plan on rolling with those drastic changes, because they're not as bad on live as the repulsively negative echo chamber that exists on these forums would lead you to believe.

P.S. And as others have said, shield stacking is the real issue.

bardx86

susmitds wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Shield Stacking got a major boost and the only nerf for the sorcerers in PvP was the surge nerf. For the rest everything is fine.

whatever, plenty of post stating other wise. guess you just don't know they dynamics of the game.

Bad players always cry and other QQers join them.
I care for only facts and numbers. Care to provide some?

so the number 2 sorc on AD last campaign is a bad player, ok right. look you don't have to agree with me thats fine. i can give you 6 numbers and in how little the shield is.

I finished 1st and 2nd three times in campaigns as well. That does not make me a very good player. If anything, that is a measure of the time and effort I put into the game which is something I can't nowadays with my decreased free time. Now with the increased zergs in Haderus, AP farming is breeze. Heck, just repairing stuff will fetch a lot of AP if you are aiming for the top spot. Leaderboards are useless in determining good players.

Shield strength is untouched and the only thing changed is the duration. The main issue of Shield Stacking is still there and now even better due to addition of another shield.

And your opponent takes anything more than 3-4 secs to burst your shield, he is doing something wrong.

lol, there are many ways to avoid damage not every fight will have the shields gone in 6 secs if thats the case you are a bad sorc. The problem is that a 6 sec shield is really only 4 after casting both, any stun or cc is death, but there are many threads about this just go read. Yes with a hell of a lot of work fights are winnable but the class has been nerfed to much for my liking. With the way the class is now we have to many opportunities to make a mistake in a battle and will pay heavily for them, no other class has this flaw.