nightblades and templars are too strong

DaWabbajack259

I am a dragonknight with all legendary equipment with around 26k spell resistence. Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them. Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp. Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage. I use one hand and sheild with a healing staff and that doesn't seem to even take away a bit of health. How am I supposed to compete when these classes use abilities that are stronger than my own? I was of line for a few months and these classes weren't as strong as back then. I got on every server in xbox one NA, and all the emperors with millions of ap are mostly nightblades. I watch the game clips they make and they are able to cut through hordes of vet 16 players and kill them in a matter of seconds, getting thousands of ap. I realized that I have trouble killing just one of them! I mostly started getting my ap from healing, but I get a few thousand every so minutes. How can players like me compete with players like that ?? About a year ago dragonknights were almost unstoppable, yet now my group of mostly heavy armor dragonknights die in seconds by the abilities of nightblades. I know I can't be the only one who noticed this, so please say what u think of this? Are there any dragonknight emperors out there that can share their experience? It just seems really impossible to compete with many players.

Tryxus

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them.

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp.

1st are Sorcerers, not Nightblades

2nd are Nightblades, not Templars

DaWabbajack259

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them.

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp.

1st are Sorcerers, not Nightblades

2nd are Nightblades, not Templars

Still their powers are ridiculously too strong

Rohamad_Ali

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

I am a dragonknight with all legendary equipment with around 26k spell resistence.

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them. Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp. Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage.

I use one hand and sheild with a healing staff and that doesn't seem to even take away a bit of health. How am I supposed to compete when these classes use abilities that are stronger than my own?

I was of line for a few months and these classes weren't as strong as back then. I got on every server in xbox one NA, and all the emperors with millions of ap are mostly nightblades. I watch the game clips they make and they are able to cut through hordes of vet 16 players and kill them in a matter of seconds, getting thousands of ap. I realized that I have trouble killing just one of them!

I mostly started getting my ap from healing, but I get a few thousand every so minutes. How can players like me compete with players like that ??

About a year ago dragonknights were almost unstoppable, yet now my group of mostly heavy armor dragonknights die in seconds by the abilities of nightblades.

I know I can't be the only one who noticed this, so please say what u think of this? Are there any dragonknight emperors out there that can share their experience? It just seems really impossible to compete with many players.

I just needed to make this a little more readable . OCD

Tryxus

An effective thing to do then as a DK would be to equip both Dragon Fire Scale from Draconic Power and Defensive Stance from 1 Hand & Shield.

Crystal Fragments (Sorcerer) and Swallow Soul/Funnel Health (Nightblade) will be reflected right back at them. So keep those 2 skills on your bars at all times

Next, remove your Restoration Staff and replace it with a 2 Handed Weapon for the Rally skill. It's a mandatory skill for any Stamina build

tennant94

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

I am a dragonknight with all legendary equipment with around 26k spell resistence. Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them. Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp. Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage. I use one hand and sheild with a healing staff and that doesn't seem to even take away a bit of health. How am I supposed to compete when these classes use abilities that are stronger than my own? I was of line for a few months and these classes weren't as strong as back then. I got on every server in xbox one NA, and all the emperors with millions of ap are mostly nightblades. I watch the game clips they make and they are able to cut through hordes of vet 16 players and kill them in a matter of seconds, getting thousands of ap. I realized that I have trouble killing just one of them! I mostly started getting my ap from healing, but I get a few thousand every so minutes. How can players like me compete with players like that ?? About a year ago dragonknights were almost unstoppable, yet now my group of mostly heavy armor dragonknights die in seconds by the abilities of nightblades. I know I can't be the only one who noticed this, so please say what u think of this? Are there any dragonknight emperors out there that can share their experience? It just seems really impossible to compete with many players.

You literally have the best counter to crystal fragments out of every other class, what are you even talking about.

DaWabbajack259

Tryxus wrote: »

An effective thing to do then as a DK would be to equip both Dragon Fire Scale from Draconic Power and Defensive Stance from 1 Hand & Shield.

Crystal Fragments (Sorcerer) and Swallow Soul/Funnel Health (Nightblade) will be reflected right back at them. So keep those 2 skills on your bars at all times

Next, remove your Restoration Staff and replace it with a 2 Handed Weapon for the Rally skill. It's a mandatory skill for any Stamina build

Do u suggest anything for magi a builds? I was under the impressions when I first started that healing gives most ap and spend all attribute points on magika for self and group healing

DaWabbajack259

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

I am a dragonknight with all legendary equipment with around 26k spell resistence.

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them. Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp. Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage.

I use one hand and sheild with a healing staff and that doesn't seem to even take away a bit of health. How am I supposed to compete when these classes use abilities that are stronger than my own?

I was of line for a few months and these classes weren't as strong as back then. I got on every server in xbox one NA, and all the emperors with millions of ap are mostly nightblades. I watch the game clips they make and they are able to cut through hordes of vet 16 players and kill them in a matter of seconds, getting thousands of ap. I realized that I have trouble killing just one of them!

I mostly started getting my ap from healing, but I get a few thousand every so minutes. How can players like me compete with players like that ??

About a year ago dragonknights were almost unstoppable, yet now my group of mostly heavy armor dragonknights die in seconds by the abilities of nightblades.

I know I can't be the only one who noticed this, so please say what u think of this? Are there any dragonknight emperors out there that can share their experience? It just seems really impossible to compete with many players.

I just needed to make this a little more readable . OCD

Sorry writing from a tablet

Tryxus

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

An effective thing to do then as a DK would be to equip both Dragon Fire Scale from Draconic Power and Defensive Stance from 1 Hand & Shield.

Crystal Fragments (Sorcerer) and Swallow Soul/Funnel Health (Nightblade) will be reflected right back at them. So keep those 2 skills on your bars at all times

Next, remove your Restoration Staff and replace it with a 2 Handed Weapon for the Rally skill. It's a mandatory skill for any Stamina build

Do u suggest anything for magi a builds? I was under the impressions when I first started that healing gives most ap and spend all attribute points on magika for self and group healing

Well for a Magicka build you can keep the Restoration Staff then, and keep Healing Ward ready instead. I'm planning on going 1H&S + Resto staff on my Mag DK once he's ready

Also, what gear sets are you running?

DaWabbajack259

tennant94 wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

I am a dragonknight with all legendary equipment with around 26k spell resistence. Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them. Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp. Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage. I use one hand and sheild with a healing staff and that doesn't seem to even take away a bit of health. How am I supposed to compete when these classes use abilities that are stronger than my own? I was of line for a few months and these classes weren't as strong as back then. I got on every server in xbox one NA, and all the emperors with millions of ap are mostly nightblades. I watch the game clips they make and they are able to cut through hordes of vet 16 players and kill them in a matter of seconds, getting thousands of ap. I realized that I have trouble killing just one of them! I mostly started getting my ap from healing, but I get a few thousand every so minutes. How can players like me compete with players like that ?? About a year ago dragonknights were almost unstoppable, yet now my group of mostly heavy armor dragonknights die in seconds by the abilities of nightblades. I know I can't be the only one who noticed this, so please say what u think of this? Are there any dragonknight emperors out there that can share their experience? It just seems really impossible to compete with many players.

You literally have the best counter to crystal fragments out of every other class, what are you even talking about.

When u find yourself in a giant serf vs zerg combat you tend not to see things flying out out all directions lol

DaWabbajack259

I am running rubedite heavy armor mainly use the immovable skill to boost resistence

DaWabbajack259

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

An effective thing to do then as a DK would be to equip both Dragon Fire Scale from Draconic Power and Defensive Stance from 1 Hand & Shield.

Crystal Fragments (Sorcerer) and Swallow Soul/Funnel Health (Nightblade) will be reflected right back at them. So keep those 2 skills on your bars at all times

Next, remove your Restoration Staff and replace it with a 2 Handed Weapon for the Rally skill. It's a mandatory skill for any Stamina build

Do u suggest anything for magi a builds? I was under the impressions when I first started that healing gives most ap and spend all attribute points on magika for self and group healing

Well for a Magicka build you can keep the Restoration Staff then, and keep Healing Ward ready instead. I'm planning on going 1H&S + Resto staff on my Mag DK once he's ready

Also, what gear sets are you running?

I am running rubedite heavy armor mainly use the immovable skill to boost resistence. I try to include max health and magika enchantments. Also using one hand and shield

tennant94

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

I am a dragonknight with all legendary equipment with around 26k spell resistence. Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them. Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp. Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage. I use one hand and sheild with a healing staff and that doesn't seem to even take away a bit of health. How am I supposed to compete when these classes use abilities that are stronger than my own? I was of line for a few months and these classes weren't as strong as back then. I got on every server in xbox one NA, and all the emperors with millions of ap are mostly nightblades. I watch the game clips they make and they are able to cut through hordes of vet 16 players and kill them in a matter of seconds, getting thousands of ap. I realized that I have trouble killing just one of them! I mostly started getting my ap from healing, but I get a few thousand every so minutes. How can players like me compete with players like that ?? About a year ago dragonknights were almost unstoppable, yet now my group of mostly heavy armor dragonknights die in seconds by the abilities of nightblades. I know I can't be the only one who noticed this, so please say what u think of this? Are there any dragonknight emperors out there that can share their experience? It just seems really impossible to compete with many players.

You literally have the best counter to crystal fragments out of every other class, what are you even talking about.

When u find yourself in a giant serf vs zerg combat you tend not to see things flying out out all directions lol

You don't need to activate reflective scale when you see projectiles. It lasts 4 seconds. Just keep it up often.

Tryxus

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

An effective thing to do then as a DK would be to equip both Dragon Fire Scale from Draconic Power and Defensive Stance from 1 Hand & Shield.

Crystal Fragments (Sorcerer) and Swallow Soul/Funnel Health (Nightblade) will be reflected right back at them. So keep those 2 skills on your bars at all times

Next, remove your Restoration Staff and replace it with a 2 Handed Weapon for the Rally skill. It's a mandatory skill for any Stamina build

Do u suggest anything for magi a builds? I was under the impressions when I first started that healing gives most ap and spend all attribute points on magika for self and group healing

Well for a Magicka build you can keep the Restoration Staff then, and keep Healing Ward ready instead. I'm planning on going 1H&S + Resto staff on my Mag DK once he's ready

Also, what gear sets are you running?

I am running rubedite heavy armor mainly use the immovable skill to boost resistence. I try to include max health and magika enchantments. Also using one hand and shield

You don't have any sets? Like Tava's Favor or Kagrenac?

DaWabbajack259

You don't need to activate reflective scale when you see projectiles. It lasts 4 seconds. Just keep it up often.
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I am still in the process of researching the necessary traits for kagrenac

Tryxus

I'd recommend Tava's Favor (7 traits), especially for Heavy Armor. Another tip: use Shuffle since it procs the Ultimate gain from Tava's 5pcs bonus

DaWabbajack259

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

An effective thing to do then as a DK would be to equip both Dragon Fire Scale from Draconic Power and Defensive Stance from 1 Hand & Shield.

Crystal Fragments (Sorcerer) and Swallow Soul/Funnel Health (Nightblade) will be reflected right back at them. So keep those 2 skills on your bars at all times

Next, remove your Restoration Staff and replace it with a 2 Handed Weapon for the Rally skill. It's a mandatory skill for any Stamina build

Do u suggest anything for magi a builds? I was under the impressions when I first started that healing gives most ap and spend all attribute points on magika for self and group healing

Well for a Magicka build you can keep the Restoration Staff then, and keep Healing Ward ready instead. I'm planning on going 1H&S + Resto staff on my Mag DK once he's ready

Also, what gear sets are you running?

I am running rubedite heavy armor mainly use the immovable skill to boost resistence. I try to include max health and magika enchantments. Also using one hand and shield

You don't have any sets? Like Tava's Favor or Kagrenac?

Even with all that, will you be able to kill multiple enemies like nightblades in a few seconds? I am new to pvp so its all a bit confusing

umagon

Nightblades can bypass armor; with maces, sharpened, champ points, major/minor fracture/brutality and major empower heavy armor is not useful against most of them. Many run a high burst/sustain setup which the only way to counter is basically run the same. It turns into more of a who can two hit kill who. Templars are tricky you have maintain both major defile and maim on them or they will just heal while killing you (I am assuming you are talking about the jab spam builds). I wouldn't recommend playing in heavy even with the updates it's difficult to play in; unless you like extreme difficulty.

Rohamad_Ali

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

I am a dragonknight with all legendary equipment with around 26k spell resistence.

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them. Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp. Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage.

I use one hand and sheild with a healing staff and that doesn't seem to even take away a bit of health. How am I supposed to compete when these classes use abilities that are stronger than my own?

I was of line for a few months and these classes weren't as strong as back then. I got on every server in xbox one NA, and all the emperors with millions of ap are mostly nightblades. I watch the game clips they make and they are able to cut through hordes of vet 16 players and kill them in a matter of seconds, getting thousands of ap. I realized that I have trouble killing just one of them!

I mostly started getting my ap from healing, but I get a few thousand every so minutes. How can players like me compete with players like that ??

About a year ago dragonknights were almost unstoppable, yet now my group of mostly heavy armor dragonknights die in seconds by the abilities of nightblades.

I know I can't be the only one who noticed this, so please say what u think of this? Are there any dragonknight emperors out there that can share their experience? It just seems really impossible to compete with many players.

I just needed to make this a little more readable . OCD

Sorry writing from a tablet

No worries it's my disorder . These people are right about a few things . You do have reflective scales to counter Sorc crystal frags . Several shields to stop Nightblades from criting . You are correct however about DK not being as balanced as the other classes . They need to be brought back up , not Nerf the other classes down in my opinion .

DaWabbajack259

umagon wrote: »

Nightblades can bypass armor; with maces, sharpened, champ points, major/minor fracture/brutality and major empower heavy armor is not useful against most of them. Many run a high burst/sustain setup which the only way to counter is basically run the same. It turns into more of a who can two hit kill who. Templars are tricky you have maintain both major defile and maim on them or they will just heal while killing you (I am assuming you are talking about the jab spam builds). I wouldn't recommend playing in heavy even with the updates it's difficult to play in; unless you like extreme difficulty.

So would u get more ap from killing or healing I have never yet seen a dragonknight emperor

NBrookus

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

So would u get more ap from killing or healing I have never yet seen a dragonknight emperor

@Escorpiao_Noturno comes to mind; he's a tank build.

ArchMikem

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them.

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp.

1st are Sorcerers, not Nightblades

2nd are Nightblades, not Templars

Are you sure he's not meaning a morph of Rushed Ceremony? I use Breath of Life constantly as a Templar.

Van_0S

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them.

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp.

1st are Sorcerers, not Nightblades

2nd are Nightblades, not Templars

The 2nd is sallow soul.

umagon

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

Nightblades can bypass armor; with maces, sharpened, champ points, major/minor fracture/brutality and major empower heavy armor is not useful against most of them. Many run a high burst/sustain setup which the only way to counter is basically run the same. It turns into more of a who can two hit kill who. Templars are tricky you have maintain both major defile and maim on them or they will just heal while killing you (I am assuming you are talking about the jab spam builds). I wouldn't recommend playing in heavy even with the updates it's difficult to play in; unless you like extreme difficulty.

So would u get more ap from killing or healing I have never yet seen a dragonknight emperor

That is sort of a complex answer. If you run solo or go in pick up groups I would say killing players. Healing gets you points if you are in a dedicated group of players you run with like friends or guild members. But when it comes to emp that is done mostly from a team effort and someone who has a lot of time on their hands. Assuming emp gained on a populated server. Also there are other things to it too. Like defense farming at the keeps, resources, mile gates, and major bridges. I have seen a dragonknight healer who was emp; but the person gained it mostly do to team work.

Solo you could make emp but you would have to run a build that maximized killing a lot of players quickly and play nearly non-stop. Emp is really difficult to get on active servers, first you need to lead in ap for the faction and then you have cap all six of the center keeps. When you do this both of the factions will try to dethrone which means a two front war at the last keep.

DaWabbajack259

umagon wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

Nightblades can bypass armor; with maces, sharpened, champ points, major/minor fracture/brutality and major empower heavy armor is not useful against most of them. Many run a high burst/sustain setup which the only way to counter is basically run the same. It turns into more of a who can two hit kill who. Templars are tricky you have maintain both major defile and maim on them or they will just heal while killing you (I am assuming you are talking about the jab spam builds). I wouldn't recommend playing in heavy even with the updates it's difficult to play in; unless you like extreme difficulty.

So would u get more ap from killing or healing I have never yet seen a dragonknight emperor

That is sort of a complex answer. If you run solo or go in pick up groups I would say killing players. Healing gets you points if you are in a dedicated group of players you run with like friends or guild members. But when it comes to emp that is done mostly from a team effort and someone who has a lot of time on their hands. Assuming emp gained on a populated server. Also there are other things to it too. Like defense farming at the keeps, resources, mile gates, and major bridges. I have seen a dragonknight healer who was emp; but the person gained it mostly do to team work.

Solo you could make emp but you would have to run a build that maximized killing a lot of players quickly and play nearly non-stop. Emp is really difficult to get on active servers, first you need to lead in ap for the faction and then you have cap all six of the center keeps. When you do this both of the factions will try to dethrone which means a two front war at the last keep.

Have you become emperor yet?

DaWabbajack259

Van_0S wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Nightblades and others use crystal fragments that deal around 10k damage and my dark talons are never able to even stop them.

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Templars keep doing that spell that wooshes their hand in the air and heals them for a lot of hp.

1st are Sorcerers, not Nightblades

2nd are Nightblades, not Templars

The 2nd is sallow soul.

Regardless i still think that they are too powerful

Attackopsn

And blood altar it literally one shots everyone

umagon

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

Nightblades can bypass armor; with maces, sharpened, champ points, major/minor fracture/brutality and major empower heavy armor is not useful against most of them. Many run a high burst/sustain setup which the only way to counter is basically run the same. It turns into more of a who can two hit kill who. Templars are tricky you have maintain both major defile and maim on them or they will just heal while killing you (I am assuming you are talking about the jab spam builds). I wouldn't recommend playing in heavy even with the updates it's difficult to play in; unless you like extreme difficulty.

So would u get more ap from killing or healing I have never yet seen a dragonknight emperor

That is sort of a complex answer. If you run solo or go in pick up groups I would say killing players. Healing gets you points if you are in a dedicated group of players you run with like friends or guild members. But when it comes to emp that is done mostly from a team effort and someone who has a lot of time on their hands. Assuming emp gained on a populated server. Also there are other things to it too. Like defense farming at the keeps, resources, mile gates, and major bridges. I have seen a dragonknight healer who was emp; but the person gained it mostly do to team work.

Solo you could make emp but you would have to run a build that maximized killing a lot of players quickly and play nearly non-stop. Emp is really difficult to get on active servers, first you need to lead in ap for the faction and then you have cap all six of the center keeps. When you do this both of the factions will try to dethrone which means a two front war at the last keep.

Have you become emperor yet?

I run solo, with 7/7 heavy tankblade setup and I don't play a lot; so no I will never be emp. It's just I have played long enough through years to see many emps and know how it's accomplished.

DaWabbajack259

Attackopsn wrote: »

And blood altar it literally one shots everyone

Poison arrows also seem to be a problem. I don't see many dragonknight skills that inflict that kind of damage. I don't understant why ???

LadyNalcarya

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Even with all that, will you be able to kill multiple enemies like nightblades in a few seconds? I am new to pvp so its all a bit confusing

>new to pvp
>be able to kill multiple enemies in a few seconds

Nice one.

tplink3r1

DaWabbajack259 wrote: »

Templars also use that light sword ability and I get around 8-10 k damage.

I don't think thats a common damage. I can't even remember the last time i have been hit that hard by puncturing strikes.