Best Race/Class for DPS PvE VDung / Trails since DB?

Troneon

I main a healer/dps with my mag high elf templar since beta and has always done me good, now that VR are removed I am thinking of grinding out more roles for dps/tanks. Might try out a mag templar tank build one day for giggles but for now im looking at making a new character specifically for DPS in trials, vet dungeons and group content.

I know sorcs were nerfed hard, a high elf mag sorc was my plan since their passives seem to be the best for pve dps in group content, but now no idea since the nerfs.

Thinking of making a stam or mag nightblade for pure ganking in pvp later.

So with sorcs nerfed and nightblade more suited for solo targets/pvp...

I guess mag DK is best for pve dps group content now? Dunmer?

Cheers in advance for suggestions.

khele23eb17_ESO

Stam DK.

Troneon

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Stam DK.

Really? I really don't like stamina builds...hate the idea of using break free & dodge & skills all from same resource, I hate it. If that's the best dps pve wise though....I may try it out...

What race?

@khele23eb17_ESO

Troneon

Think I might go for Magicka Dark Elf DK

Valrien

Troneon wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Stam DK.

Really? I really don't like stamina builds...hate the idea of using break free & dodge & skills all from same resource, I hate it. If that's the best dps pve wise though....I may try it out...

What race?

@khele23eb17_ESO

For StamDK go Khajiit or Redguard.

MaxwellC

Stam DK for single target (I prefer redguard)
Not sure what would be better for multi target.

KingYogi415

A magic nightblade saptank will do the most dps as a tank!

mistermutiny89

Everyone shall shout dk but remember that's melee dps.. What about highly mobile targets like Engine Guardian, or bosses with nasty aoes?

Go Breton nightblade all the way. He'll give you extra spell resistance to help cap out your resistances. Then the switch between tank and dps will be all in a matter of changing light to heavy armour.

Reliable dps, great self healing, easy to play, cloak for dlc missions, can slot all class abilities without weapon abilities if you so choose.

Saturn

Troneon wrote: »

I main a healer/dps with my mag high elf templar since beta and has always done me good, now that VR are removed I am thinking of grinding out more roles for dps/tanks. Might try out a mag templar tank build one day for giggles but for now im looking at making a new character specifically for DPS in trials, vet dungeons and group content.

I know sorcs were nerfed hard, a high elf mag sorc was my plan since their passives seem to be the best for pve dps in group content, but now no idea since the nerfs.

Thinking of making a stam or mag nightblade for pure ganking in pvp later.

So with sorcs nerfed and nightblade more suited for solo targets/pvp...

I guess mag DK is best for pve dps group content now? Dunmer?

Cheers in advance for suggestions.

If you want the most versatile I would say magicka nightblade, you can do good dps without being locked to melee only, and you have no resource management issues.
If you want highest dps, then you are looking at stamina dragonknight, but they only work in melee range, but pull insane numbers with the right setup.

Truth be told, if you know what you are doing the class choice doesn't matter. I have seen all combinations played well in endgame content, with the exception of stamina sorcerer.

Troneon

Saturn wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

I main a healer/dps with my mag high elf templar since beta and has always done me good, now that VR are removed I am thinking of grinding out more roles for dps/tanks. Might try out a mag templar tank build one day for giggles but for now im looking at making a new character specifically for DPS in trials, vet dungeons and group content.

I know sorcs were nerfed hard, a high elf mag sorc was my plan since their passives seem to be the best for pve dps in group content, but now no idea since the nerfs.

Thinking of making a stam or mag nightblade for pure ganking in pvp later.

So with sorcs nerfed and nightblade more suited for solo targets/pvp...

I guess mag DK is best for pve dps group content now? Dunmer?

Cheers in advance for suggestions.

If you want the most versatile I would say magicka nightblade, you can do good dps without being locked to melee only, and you have no resource management issues.
If you want highest dps, then you are looking at stamina dragonknight, but they only work in melee range, but pull insane numbers with the right setup.

Truth be told, if you know what you are doing the class choice doesn't matter. I have seen all combinations played well in endgame content, with the exception of stamina sorcerer.

It's mainly for when groups in vDungeons and Trials says they have enough healers and looking for more dps, I can switch out to a dps build with my templar on the fly but now that VR have been removed lvl to 50 is easy so want a main dps character to switch to.

It won't be used for anything else except group pve content, not even pvp.

Also wondering what the best tank in the game is for race/class/mag/stam?

s7732425ub17_ESO

Barely anything has changed since DB. Magicka is still king on all classes. Stam DK is strong, yes, but you can still do equally well on magicka classes.

The only Sorc nerf was the heal from Surge, but this means you just can't walk into a pack of mobs and survive with the healing from Surge only. On my Sorc, I still pull the same DPS numbers as I was doing pre-patch. And I've not had issues with survivability.

Troneon

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Barely anything has changed since DB. Magicka is still king on all classes. Stam DK is strong, yes, but you can still do equally well on magicka classes.

The only Sorc nerf was the heal from Surge, but this means you just can't walk into a pack of mobs and survive with the healing from Surge only. On my Sorc, I still pull the same DPS numbers as I was doing pre-patch. And I've not had issues with survivability.

So you still suggest mag high elf sorc for pve group dps as best choice?

KingYogi415

@Troneon

Yes sorcs are still great. Don't listen to all the whiners about all shield being equaled out.

Overload sorc still pulls amazing burst dps. You have to save it for bosses though.

Not to mention sorc tanking is always fun and you cast your shield more than once every six seconds anyways!

khele23eb17_ESO

Saturn wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

I main a healer/dps with my mag high elf templar since beta and has always done me good, now that VR are removed I am thinking of grinding out more roles for dps/tanks. Might try out a mag templar tank build one day for giggles but for now im looking at making a new character specifically for DPS in trials, vet dungeons and group content.

I know sorcs were nerfed hard, a high elf mag sorc was my plan since their passives seem to be the best for pve dps in group content, but now no idea since the nerfs.

Thinking of making a stam or mag nightblade for pure ganking in pvp later.

So with sorcs nerfed and nightblade more suited for solo targets/pvp...

I guess mag DK is best for pve dps group content now? Dunmer?

Cheers in advance for suggestions.

If you want the most versatile I would say magicka nightblade, you can do good dps without being locked to melee only, and you have no resource management issues.
If you want highest dps, then you are looking at stamina dragonknight, but they only work in melee range, but pull insane numbers with the right setup.

Truth be told, if you know what you are doing the class choice doesn't matter. I have seen all combinations played well in endgame content, with the exception of stamina sorcerer.

Oh, it matters. You can be the greatest stamblade there is... and a halfway decent stamdk will beat your ass on dps.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@Troneon

Yes sorcs are still great. Don't listen to all the whiners about all shield being equaled out.

Overload sorc still pulls amazing burst dps. You have to save it for bosses though.

Not to mention sorc tanking is always fun and you cast your shield more than once every six seconds anyways!

A sorc can complete the content, it's just that all other classes do it better and more easily. I wouldn't recommend a sorc at all this patch unless you like being the weak link in the group.

KingYogi415

@cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO If you want to be a drama queen about the shield nerf then sure.

This is the most balanced the game has ever been. Any class played with skill is called OP now.

I still get 3 light shot by overload sorcs in pvp when I don't give them enough space.

Julianos

dark elf master race for every build go dark elf

KingYogi415

Just OP shield times and a little health regen was nerfed.

What DPS skill was nerfed someone please tell me?

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO If you want to be a drama queen about the shield nerf then sure.

This is the most balanced the game has ever been. Any class played with skill is called OP now.

I still get 3 light shot by overload sorcs in pvp when I don't give them enough space.

Lol, I'd not take a sorc over any other class this patch, they're just that bad. But that's what happens when ZoS listens to the waaaaaaaaaambulance crew of baddies that can't L2P.

Troneon

Seems like no one can agree which is best for pve dps group content lol

So far from the feed back it is down to....

Stam Imperial DK
Mag Dark Elf DK
Mag High Elf Sorc

I think I will leave nightblade for pvp later since it is almost completely single target and I like classes to have more utility and aoe/group buffs / damage. Since I am used to that with templar for years.

Sounds like Mag Sorc High Elf is still the best for dps overall in general just has to be more careful with surviving. Stam DK if is as good as everyone says it is, it will get nerfed with people pulling 70-80k wrecking blows, unlikely mag sorc will get nerfed again. Also I do not like stam builds.

Only problem with mag sorc then is I will probably get bored of it, seen people play it and seems easy mode boring with overload. Mag DK does seem very fun though which I guess would be great with dark elf?

Van_0S

Troneon wrote: »

Think I might go for Magicka Dark Elf DK

Go for Templar.
You will love this class.

Check out @blabafat build in YouTube and forums

KingYogi415

Mag DK is fun you just rely on destro and dots for dps.

KingYogi415

In fact magic DK was the fotm 2 months ago.
It would have been the suggestion of all these people saying stam DK now!

Valrien

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Just OP shield times and a little health regen was nerfed.

What DPS skill was nerfed someone please tell me?

More the fact that classes are being buffed while Sorcs are left behind DPS-wise. I don't remember the last DPS buff to magicka Sorc.

HuawaSepp

Redguard Stam DK for Raids
Highelf Mag Sorc for vMSA
are examples... so it comes down to you what you prefer.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Depends a bit on what you want to do. Good choices are:
- Redguard / Khajiit stam dk (highest dps possible)
- Altmer / Dunmer magplar (better survivability but I bit less dps than stam dks)
- Dunmer mag dk (high dps, strong group support with chains, talons, deep breath)
- Dunmer / Altmer magblade (high range dps, allows to run dungeons without a healer)

Saturn

Troneon wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

I main a healer/dps with my mag high elf templar since beta and has always done me good, now that VR are removed I am thinking of grinding out more roles for dps/tanks. Might try out a mag templar tank build one day for giggles but for now im looking at making a new character specifically for DPS in trials, vet dungeons and group content.

I know sorcs were nerfed hard, a high elf mag sorc was my plan since their passives seem to be the best for pve dps in group content, but now no idea since the nerfs.

Thinking of making a stam or mag nightblade for pure ganking in pvp later.

So with sorcs nerfed and nightblade more suited for solo targets/pvp...

I guess mag DK is best for pve dps group content now? Dunmer?

Cheers in advance for suggestions.

If you want the most versatile I would say magicka nightblade, you can do good dps without being locked to melee only, and you have no resource management issues.
If you want highest dps, then you are looking at stamina dragonknight, but they only work in melee range, but pull insane numbers with the right setup.

Truth be told, if you know what you are doing the class choice doesn't matter. I have seen all combinations played well in endgame content, with the exception of stamina sorcerer.

It's mainly for when groups in vDungeons and Trials says they have enough healers and looking for more dps, I can switch out to a dps build with my templar on the fly but now that VR have been removed lvl to 50 is easy so want a main dps character to switch to.

It won't be used for anything else except group pve content, not even pvp.

Also wondering what the best tank in the game is for race/class/mag/stam?

For tanking I personally prefer magicka dragonknight, because it is stupid easy. With the buff to constitution and 3 block cost reduction jewellery glyphs you will have no stamina resource issues. Race for a tank isn't super important, but if you want to be most optimal, you should choose Argonian, Imperial or Redguard as they give some very nice racial passives for tanks. My tank is a Khajiit but I have main tanked veteran Sanctum Ophidia to completion on it without any problems, which just shows how little racial choice matter.

Saturn

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

I main a healer/dps with my mag high elf templar since beta and has always done me good, now that VR are removed I am thinking of grinding out more roles for dps/tanks. Might try out a mag templar tank build one day for giggles but for now im looking at making a new character specifically for DPS in trials, vet dungeons and group content.

I know sorcs were nerfed hard, a high elf mag sorc was my plan since their passives seem to be the best for pve dps in group content, but now no idea since the nerfs.

Thinking of making a stam or mag nightblade for pure ganking in pvp later.

So with sorcs nerfed and nightblade more suited for solo targets/pvp...

I guess mag DK is best for pve dps group content now? Dunmer?

Cheers in advance for suggestions.

If you want the most versatile I would say magicka nightblade, you can do good dps without being locked to melee only, and you have no resource management issues.
If you want highest dps, then you are looking at stamina dragonknight, but they only work in melee range, but pull insane numbers with the right setup.

Truth be told, if you know what you are doing the class choice doesn't matter. I have seen all combinations played well in endgame content, with the exception of stamina sorcerer.

Oh, it matters. You can be the greatest stamblade there is... and a halfway decent stamdk will beat your ass on dps.

Sure, stam dk is overpowered at the moment (in some situations), but you can play all classes in endgame well. You might not get 35-40k dps by the end of it, but you can get 30k dps with most setups in a group that runs all buffs.

susmitds

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@Troneon

Yes sorcs are still great. Don't listen to all the whiners about all shield being equaled out.

Overload sorc still pulls amazing burst dps. You have to save it for bosses though.

Not to mention sorc tanking is always fun and you cast your shield more than once every six seconds anyways!

A sorc can complete the content, it's just that all other classes do it better and more easily. I wouldn't recommend a sorc at all this patch unless you like being the weak link in the group.

Huh, good sorcs can cross 36k DPS. Find a stamina nightblade that crossed 29k DPS in PvE.

susmitds

Saturn wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

I main a healer/dps with my mag high elf templar since beta and has always done me good, now that VR are removed I am thinking of grinding out more roles for dps/tanks. Might try out a mag templar tank build one day for giggles but for now im looking at making a new character specifically for DPS in trials, vet dungeons and group content.

I know sorcs were nerfed hard, a high elf mag sorc was my plan since their passives seem to be the best for pve dps in group content, but now no idea since the nerfs.

Thinking of making a stam or mag nightblade for pure ganking in pvp later.

So with sorcs nerfed and nightblade more suited for solo targets/pvp...

I guess mag DK is best for pve dps group content now? Dunmer?

Cheers in advance for suggestions.

If you want the most versatile I would say magicka nightblade, you can do good dps without being locked to melee only, and you have no resource management issues.
If you want highest dps, then you are looking at stamina dragonknight, but they only work in melee range, but pull insane numbers with the right setup.

Truth be told, if you know what you are doing the class choice doesn't matter. I have seen all combinations played well in endgame content, with the exception of stamina sorcerer.

Oh, it matters. You can be the greatest stamblade there is... and a halfway decent stamdk will beat your ass on dps.

Sure, stam dk is overpowered at the moment (in some situations), but you can play all classes in endgame well. You might not get 35-40k dps by the end of it, but you can get 30k dps with most setups in a group that runs all buffs.

You won't get 30k single target DPS on a Stamblade on any fight longer than 30 secs. Theoretically it is possible to hit around 29.7k DPS with active support from a templar with sustain. In usual conditions, you would get around 28k DPS at best.
With the new Rapid Strikes, it might just be possible to touch 30K DPS in the first few minutes of a fully buffed Trial party, but even then it would be far lower than the highest DPS possible of all other classes.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

susmitds wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@Troneon

Yes sorcs are still great. Don't listen to all the whiners about all shield being equaled out.

Overload sorc still pulls amazing burst dps. You have to save it for bosses though.

Not to mention sorc tanking is always fun and you cast your shield more than once every six seconds anyways!

A sorc can complete the content, it's just that all other classes do it better and more easily. I wouldn't recommend a sorc at all this patch unless you like being the weak link in the group.

Huh, good sorcs can cross 36k DPS. Find a stamina nightblade that crossed 29k DPS in PvE.

Are those sorcs magicka or stamina though? If they're magicka, compare them to mageblades. If stamina, I want to see your video of a stam sorc pulling 36k dps.