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Now I know how New England fans felt

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/ducks

In all seriousness, it's very disappointing to learn that some of the 1vX'ers you used to admire and look up to have been cheating all along. I remember getting "1 shot" many times by some Nightblades and just gave it to great animation cancelling. I can remember two sorcs in seducer armor who were almost impossible to kill. And I get furious knowing we were played and cheated the whole time.

Does anyone with a technical background know if it's possible to fix all this nonsense at this point? Should I take some time off from ESO to avoid the frustration or is it possible for a quick fix?

Maybe it's time to move to console.
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  • The_Great_Maldini
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    Nah, I'll join you on Haderus, and we will kill them together. You can't cheat your way out of stupid.
  • Dagoth_Rac
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    While some of the stuff this weekend was ridiculous and over-the-top and obvious, what about people doing more subtle cheats? Like giving themselves 9 ultimate per second instead of 1000 ultimate per second. 9 ultimate per second is still triple what a non-cheating player gets and is a huge advantage. But not as easy to spot as the guy flying through the air and spamming Meteor nonstop!

    I just hope ZOS are able to catch both the obvious cheaters and the not-as-obvious-but-still-cheaters.
  • Makkir
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    Honestly, there are a few legit min/max high damage "1 shot" builds. I wouldn't be so quick to call everyone that has ever rekt you and .5 seconds a cheater.

    well that's only been a few people I can count on one hand ;-)

    I am overly familiar with "one shot" builds. I am talking about the questionable death recaps that will show something stupid like 3 surprise attacks.

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  • Soris
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    Makkir wrote: »
    In all seriousness, it's very disappointing to learn that some of the 1vX'ers you used to admire and look up to have been cheating all along.

    Who are they?

    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • JDar
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    Thing is, New England fans didn't care about the deflated balls or the illegal videotaping or the interference with the opposing team's headset communications at Gillette Stadium. They were relatively unrepentant.
  • rfennell_ESO
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    JDar wrote: »
    Thing is, New England fans didn't care about the deflated balls or the illegal videotaping or the interference with the opposing team's headset communications at Gillette Stadium. They were relatively unrepentant.

    Yep and Tom Brady is equally unrepentant as he's appealing again.

    The obvious is... do you think some dude in equipment was manipulating balls without Tom and Bill knowing it? Odds of that are about zero.

  • yodased
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    Let me break this down:

    When the teacher relies on the student to give answers without checking the work of the student, some are going to cheat.

    ESO server is the teacher, they know all the answers, but they don't have the resources to sit over every student watching them work to make sure they aren't cheating, so they enable class monitors to watch others and require certain steps of the "work" to be shown.

    The problem is the ratio of metaphorical 'work' being shown to 'answer' being accepted.

    You fix this by making the student show the teacher how he arrived at the answer, or you have the server monitor the clients activity for anomalies.

    The easiest way to do this is to employ a camera on the classroom that can then be monitored afterwards. You don't actually catch the cheater in action, but you review the tape and you see things that can not be explaned which is then checkd in the server logs, which then shows cheating.
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    yodased wrote: »
    Let me break this down:

    When the teacher relies on the student to give answers without checking the work of the student, some are going to cheat.

    ESO server is the teacher, they know all the answers, but they don't have the resources to sit over every student watching them work to make sure they aren't cheating, so they enable class monitors to watch others and require certain steps of the "work" to be shown.

    The problem is the ratio of metaphorical 'work' being shown to 'answer' being accepted.

    You fix this by making the student show the teacher how he arrived at the answer, or you have the server monitor the clients activity for anomalies.

    The easiest way to do this is to employ a camera on the classroom that can then be monitored afterwards. You don't actually catch the cheater in action, but you review the tape and you see things that can not be explaned which is then checkd in the server logs, which then shows cheating.

    They have some of this ability in the /bug reporting feature . That's why some of us use this still from beta instead of filling out a generic form to report players . Not all , but more information is sent at the time of incident .
  • Bfish22090
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    thats why AD only plays with 60 man zergs

  • SirAndy
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    Makkir wrote: »
    Does anyone with a technical background know if it's possible to fix all this nonsense at this point?
    Not without a major re-write of the client/server code.

    Changing values for just about anything in the game in realtime is currently as easy as clicking the mouse and typing the new value. That's with readily available off the shelf debugging tools (NOTE: There's actually NO need to attach a debugger to the process!).

    With a bit of programming knowledge every beginner scripting kiddie can automate some of these tasks. Yes, it's that easy.

    And yes, some of us (myself included) have been telling ZOS about this since beta.
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    Edited by SirAndy on May 31, 2016 7:07PM
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  • DocFrost72
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    HEY, The Patriots ah wicked pissah, you guys ah just jealous!

    *tosses empty beer can*

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  • rfennell_ESO
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    It would have been great if Tom Brady came out and called everyone questioning him baddies that need to l2p.

  • SirAndy
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    deleted ...
    Edited by SirAndy on May 31, 2016 7:07PM
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  • Ghost-Shot
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    Elong wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »

    Tom Brady uses Cheat Engine.

    Can confirm.
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  • The_Great_Maldini
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    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    HEY, The Patriots ah wicked pissah, you guys ah just jealous!

    *tosses empty beer can*

    *farts
  • Makkir
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    KenaPKK wrote: »
    Don't assume that every player you've ever considered good has been cheating. We don't know for sure who has been and who hasn't been.

    I didn't note that in my original post at all.
    big difference between good and "how the F is that even possible"
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  •  Jules
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    Blasphemy.
    Tom Brady is a stand up guy.
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    I dunno if most remember but you used to be able to hammer the print screen button allowing you to bolt escape in the air without falling over keep walls.

    This also allowed you to lag switch the game and pull off impossible combos. The game was full of nightblades who loved to take screenshots.

    With bugs like that even existing at one time in a live version of the game anything is possible. This game needs a harder stance against exploiters and cheaters and these people need to be banned and that ban needs to be final there is no excuse for this type of stuff at this point
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  • Publius_Scipio
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    JDar wrote: »
    Thing is, New England fans didn't care about the deflated balls or the illegal videotaping or the interference with the opposing team's headset communications at Gillette Stadium. They were relatively unrepentant.

    Yep and Tom Brady is equally unrepentant as he's appealing again.

    The obvious is... do you think some dude in equipment was manipulating balls without Tom and Bill knowing it? Odds of that are about zero.
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  • RadioheadSh0t
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    Those intagib triple snipes that all hit at once make a helluva lot more sense now. Not saying all times I've been one shot out of stealth was because of cheaters, but there have been loads of time where go full health to zero instantly and all my recap says is three snipes, all with the same damage where the first should hit for more. No audio or visual indicator, just instadead from a 1-sec cast time ability.

    But this does open the door for the "boy who cried cheater" dilemma.
    Edited by RadioheadSh0t on June 3, 2016 1:15PM
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    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    HEY, The Patriots ah wicked pissah, you guys ah just jealous!

    *tosses empty beer can*

    Its not a Boston impression without something racist.
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  • Mako1132
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    Jules wrote: »
    Blasphemy.
    Tom Brady is a stand up guy.

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  • MichYodias
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    Elong wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »

    Tom Brady uses Cheat Engine.

    Ok i have to draw the line here with all the disrespect to the greatest quarterback of all time. The pats do not cheat. The footballs air pressure was welllllll within what you would expect with the ideal gas law. What the patriots do know however, is every word in the rule book. They know the rules better than the officials and are able to take advantage of overlooked and unbalanced rules. Take for example John Harbaugh and the ravens (the culprits of the deflate gate scandal) crying in the middle of a game that the pats are using an illegal formation, when in fact it was perfectly legal. Combine the knowledge of the hoodie, unparalled preparation, and of course TB12. Theres a reason why the pats have been by far the best franchise over 14 years and counting. We will still start off 2-2 worst case scenario with Jimmy G and eventually go to afx championship.

    If your going to use any sports analogies with cheat engine you can pretty much only use steroids and baseball. So it would be better titled now i know how Hank Aaron felt when Barry Bonds passed him.
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    Mako1132 wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    Blasphemy.
    Tom Brady is a stand up guy.

    Manning > Brady

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  • rfennell_ESO
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    JDar wrote: »
    Thing is, New England fans didn't care about the deflated balls or the illegal videotaping or the interference with the opposing team's headset communications at Gillette Stadium. They were relatively unrepentant.

    Yep and Tom Brady is equally unrepentant as he's appealing again.

    The obvious is... do you think some dude in equipment was manipulating balls without Tom and Bill knowing it? Odds of that are about zero.
    When your wife is an international super model you don't need to repent.

    Perhaps, but he's still going to be suspended for 4 games.

    I'm only illustrating the mind set, you can see the cheaters in this thread are as repentant as Tom Brady is.
  • Publius_Scipio
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    JDar wrote: »
    Thing is, New England fans didn't care about the deflated balls or the illegal videotaping or the interference with the opposing team's headset communications at Gillette Stadium. They were relatively unrepentant.

    Yep and Tom Brady is equally unrepentant as he's appealing again.

    The obvious is... do you think some dude in equipment was manipulating balls without Tom and Bill knowing it? Odds of that are about zero.
    When your wife is an international super model you don't need to repent.

    Perhaps, but he's still going to be suspended for 4 games.

    I'm only illustrating the mind set, you can see the cheaters in this thread are as repentant as Tom Brady is.

    4 game suspension only means 4 weeks at home to see his wife in a bikini. 4 weeks to drive his Ferraris. 4 weeks to use the home theater in his mansion. 4 weeks to use every bathroom in his mansion at least once. 4 weeks to decide on a new Tom Brady haircut.

    The cheaters in ESO are repentant because they have to shut off their PCs and settle for a lousy bowl of mac & cheese for dinner and watch reruns of Ren & Stimpy.
    Edited by Publius_Scipio on June 3, 2016 4:52PM
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