Cloak vs Wrecking Blow

DannyLV702

Detect potion?

http://youtu.be/zjnPeoerQ7g

WhoThenNow7

Nice recovery.. At first I thought maybe he saw you when you appeared for a moment; but then saw it a 2nd time and now I'm not sure exactly how.

Lord-Otto

D-Pot, everyone is excpecting wannabe Syphers on the upper floors these days. I specifically enjoyed how the "squishy Nightblade" in this video just took one heal tick to get back to full health. I see why D-pots got nerfed with IC... Seriously... *shakes head*

GreenSoup2HoT

Lord-Otto wrote: »

D-Pot, everyone is excpecting wannabe Syphers on the upper floors these days. I specifically enjoyed how the "squishy Nightblade" in this video just took one heal tick to get back to full health. I see why D-pots got nerfed with IC... Seriously... *shakes head*

Exactly why i miss the old toggled mage light. I would double slot it on both bar's. I had a grand time finding people in stealth and putting them under ground. I miss those day's. #BringbackRMLtoggle

DannyLV702

I asked him and it turns out he does use detect pots lol. It was my first time trying out a mageblade too (non-vicious death)

olsborg

There are a few singletarget abilities that also ignores cloak, dark flare is one of them, i have bug reported this a million times but @ZOS_JessicaFolsom doesnt seem to care.

DocFrost72

Yeah, plenty of hard counters to stealth sadly. Detect pots, mage light, revealing flare, dark flare (which for whatever reason has an aoe effect that doesn't do damage?), wrecking blow (well, any ability activated when you are visible and executed before you move, even in stealth), caltrops or any ground based dot, soon to be expert hunter and morphs, mark target, velocious curse and inevitable det.

But cloak is OP, remember.

Junkogen

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Yeah, plenty of hard counters to stealth sadly. Detect pots, mage light, revealing flare, dark flare (which for whatever reason has an aoe effect that doesn't do damage?), wrecking blow (well, any ability activated when you are visible and executed before you move, even in stealth), caltrops or any ground based dot, soon to be expert hunter and morphs, mark target, velocious curse and inevitable det.

But cloak is OP, remember.

Yes, it's soooooo OP! They like vanish and I can't see them. That's when it's time to come to these forums and sob openly. It's impossible to win against ambush and cloak. Impossible!

People who complain about cloak seem to have failed to develop object permanence when they were toddlers. Hence they freak out when something they want disappears from sight. They fail to realize that the Nightblade is still there. They just need to select from the laundry list of counters and proceed to execute said squishy Nightblade.

Solariken

I'm sure that Dk did pop a d-pot, but it's likely the only reason he knew you were there is because you came out of invis for a quick second - whenever you activate Cloak while not currently invisible, you leave a pretty noticeable, lingering cloud of red mist that is sure to give away your presence. I'm guessing he was probably already searching for you if you left a cloud somewhere before the video started.

Wreuntzylla

Had to be detect pot. I do think you are waiting to long in between cloaks, which might not reveal you but will put a nice red cloud at your location. But he couldn't have used WB in that case.

Bromburak

@DannyLV702

In this situation everyone knows that you are there.

1. You are not hidden, you just used cloak and of course come back to visibility for a short time.
2. The cloak effect it self (dark red black little cloud) is visible for other players and since you never
change your position, you an easy target.

Imo the worst you can do, sticking at the same spot without moving.

Takes-No-Prisoner

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

DannyLV702

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

Yeah I'll just stick to my stamblade from now on. Magic relies on cloak too damn much and I honesty don't have the time to go through another learning curve to master the mageblade.

Zenetrax

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

You can actually see NBs cloaking with detect pots?! That totally sucks, just running those pots would actually make our cloak useless, that shouldn't be the case! Should only detect sneaking people not make cloak useless. You might just actually assume that everybody is running those pots and remove cloak and replace it with something else.

Bromburak

Zenetrax wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

You can actually see NBs cloaking with detect pots?

You don't need pots to see him cloaking as alreaady mentioned the triggering effect it self is visible for everyone
thats why a NB must move pretty quick to a different location instead sticking the same spot like in the video.

Zenetrax

Bromburak wrote: »

Zenetrax wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

You can actually see NBs cloaking with detect pots?

You don't need pots to see him cloaking as alreaady mentioned the triggering effect it self is visible for everyone
thats why a NB must move pretty quick to a different location instead sticking the same spot like in the video.

Your perspective is spotting a Nightblade or where he is going next after he cloaks my point is that after popping a detect pot it shouldn't reveal Nightblades CLOAKED. Like that's too OP if it renders our cloak useless. CLOAKED Nightblades should NOT and NEVER be visible unless damaged by a DoT or pre-casted spells.

DannyLV702

Zenetrax wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Zenetrax wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

You can actually see NBs cloaking with detect pots?

You don't need pots to see him cloaking as alreaady mentioned the triggering effect it self is visible for everyone
thats why a NB must move pretty quick to a different location instead sticking the same spot like in the video.

Your perspective is spotting a Nightblade or where he is going next after he cloaks my point is that after popping a detect pot it shouldn't reveal Nightblades CLOAKED. Like that's too OP if it renders our cloak useless. CLOAKED Nightblades should NOT and NEVER be visible unless damaged by a DoT or pre-casted spells.

They only last 15 seconds at v15. It used to be worse. They used to last up to 40 seconds I believe. Now THAT was cruel lol

Bromburak

Zenetrax wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Zenetrax wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

You can actually see NBs cloaking with detect pots?

You don't need pots to see him cloaking as alreaady mentioned the triggering effect it self is visible for everyone
thats why a NB must move pretty quick to a different location instead sticking the same spot like in the video.

Your perspective is spotting a Nightblade or where he is going next after he cloaks my point is that after popping a detect pot it shouldn't reveal Nightblades CLOAKED. Like that's too OP if it renders our cloak useless. CLOAKED Nightblades should NOT and NEVER be visible unless damaged by a DoT or pre-casted spells.

Yes in theory but actually the behavior is like using tab that works like a wallhack on your current target if the NB is not hidden. Just cloaking without being hidden works different and yes it's a bug.

Rune_Relic

Zenetrax wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Zenetrax wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@DannyLV702

As someone who runs Detect pots, if you are cloaking like that you will not show up as un hidden on YOUR screen when an ENEMY player uses a Detection potion. The times I have used the Detect pot on NB who were unawares still don't know I can see them til I hit them to make it obvious.

You can actually see NBs cloaking with detect pots?

You don't need pots to see him cloaking as alreaady mentioned the triggering effect it self is visible for everyone
thats why a NB must move pretty quick to a different location instead sticking the same spot like in the video.

Your perspective is spotting a Nightblade or where he is going next after he cloaks my point is that after popping a detect pot it shouldn't reveal Nightblades CLOAKED. Like that's too OP if it renders our cloak useless. CLOAKED Nightblades should NOT and NEVER be visible unless damaged by a DoT or pre-casted spells.

They have cloak suppression which disables cloaking too.
BUT...the HIDDEN text MUST work without fail ..so that the cloaker actually knows if they are hidden or not.

Worse than a useless cloak is not knowing if its even working from everyone elses (enemies) viewpoint.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Lylith

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

D-Pot, everyone is excpecting wannabe Syphers on the upper floors these days. I specifically enjoyed how the "squishy Nightblade" in this video just took one heal tick to get back to full health. I see why D-pots got nerfed with IC... Seriously... *shakes head*

Exactly why i miss the old toggled mage light. I would double slot it on both bar's. I had a grand time finding people in stealth and putting them under ground. I miss those day's. #BringbackRMLtoggle

another skill that wasn't broken.

magictucktuck

Deffinatly detect pots, you do give off a mist but only when u become visible again which when he hit u that didn't happen

magictucktuck

But... Your signature lies!!!!

DannyLV702

magictucktuck wrote: »

But... Your signature lies!!!!

Lol I tried a few days of being a destro using mageblade. I just borrowed all the legendary gear from my sorc

Takes-No-Prisoner

Yes Bromburak, what you said about the red mist is correct when cloak is not chained correctly. If you chain cloak correct the enemy wont ever see the mist.

@Zenetrax well yes and no about detect potion. Yes it is really a hard counter, however, a couple of months ago the detection status the potion gave you use to be 45-40 seconds. The current potions we have right now is around 10-12 seconds. Basically if you dont make your mark on the nb when it counts he can still get away unharmed. Just keep in mind the detect pot increases the detection radius 20m and only last a very short period. Right now i would say it is balanced, in the event I know i my enemy has a detect pot active i move well out of his sight. There is an effect that goes off under their feet or around their body to show its been triggered. It just means you need to pay attention and look for that effect.

NeillMcAttack

If you end up waiting too long between cloaks, obviously they can see you for a split second, but on top of that, you also make a very distinct sound when re-cloaking. That, I'm guessing, is what tipped this guy off.

DannyLV702

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

If you end up waiting too long between cloaks, obviously they can see you for a split second, but on top of that, you also make a very distinct sound when re-cloaking. That, I'm guessing, is what tipped this guy off.

Yeah I just wanted to conserve my magic but it got me caught

RAGUNAnoOne

WAIT A SECOND you were actually able to break free in PvP!? EXPLOIT drop the ban hammer now!!!

Takes-No-Prisoner

The rule of thumb with a NB is to always keep moving. Same goes for MagNB but doubly so for StamNB. This is why I love hiding around trees, rocks and pieces of lumber.