[XBOX] Least to most populated alliance

Rex-Umbra

Also this update caused a lot of players to reroll high elf sorcs which caused a huge influx into AD.

Deadkrau5

Jaronking wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

AD-EP-DC

From largest playerbase to smallest.

DC to be fair has dominated until recently in the try hard servers for PvP (due to having only one actual server to PvP in to be honest, joining an off server works for the other factions but for DC its essentially just giving AD and EP free AP...and so all of DC's try hards all end up in the same server.)

I say until recently since DC's "best player" hit max PvP rank and has stopped playing seemingly, AD has just steamrolled Scourge as a result...similar to how they steamrolled over Haderus.

Actually scourge is AD controlled because 8 of the largest AD guilds got together and made a Union to take over Scourge. (Not kidding.) I lead one of these guilds.

Back to the main topic:
Also EP has the largest population. I am in all 3 factions and EP is noticeably more active than AD. While I would agree that DC comes in last as far as player base goes. So... EP > AD > DC

Why the *** would you do that?You ruined the only 30 day campaign we have.What do you want everyone to do play in laggy Haderus its stupid.Your freaken killing the server.Ask any PC player about what happens when a faction does this and you will see it ruins the campaign for everyone.It kills PVP what the hell is wrong with you you ruined the only other fully competitive campaign.

Um... hahaha. It's the only 30 day campaign (Azuras doesn't count anymore) so where else are they gonna go? NOWHERE. the reds and blues try and fail to take back the map everyday and night. We just push them back. The ap is still great and the battles are bigger than ever.

Really man who the hell go to azura anymore if you want to lock down a 30 day go their no one cares about that campaign any longer.You ruin the only competitive 30 day we have.You Morning and Night cap each keep after everyone fall asleep or everyone at work congratulations your winning the campaign by PVEing.Yea of course their going to fall to take back the map when you have every buff plus out number everyone in the campaign 3-1.Ad is popped locked throughout the morning while DC and EP has no bars.The AP is great for us I will admit that but the battles are lack luster at best that campaign used to be great you could find battles everywhere Now all you have is AD zerging the map and ruin the only other competitive campaign we have that people actually want to play on.

Again ask any PC player what doing this does to the community it ruins it.They all had to learn about it when the game came out and now we have to as well.

The small group I PvP with has already talked about playing significantly less PvP if not quitting PvP altogether until this stops. AD has not only ruined Scourge but every other semi-competitive campaign in the game.

Jaronking

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

AD-EP-DC

From largest playerbase to smallest.

DC to be fair has dominated until recently in the try hard servers for PvP (due to having only one actual server to PvP in to be honest, joining an off server works for the other factions but for DC its essentially just giving AD and EP free AP...and so all of DC's try hards all end up in the same server.)

I say until recently since DC's "best player" hit max PvP rank and has stopped playing seemingly, AD has just steamrolled Scourge as a result...similar to how they steamrolled over Haderus.

Actually scourge is AD controlled because 8 of the largest AD guilds got together and made a Union to take over Scourge. (Not kidding.) I lead one of these guilds.

Back to the main topic:
Also EP has the largest population. I am in all 3 factions and EP is noticeably more active than AD. While I would agree that DC comes in last as far as player base goes. So... EP > AD > DC

Why the *** would you do that?You ruined the only 30 day campaign we have.What do you want everyone to do play in laggy Haderus its stupid.Your freaken killing the server.Ask any PC player about what happens when a faction does this and you will see it ruins the campaign for everyone.It kills PVP what the hell is wrong with you you ruined the only other fully competitive campaign.

Um... hahaha. It's the only 30 day campaign (Azuras doesn't count anymore) so where else are they gonna go? NOWHERE. the reds and blues try and fail to take back the map everyday and night. We just push them back. The ap is still great and the battles are bigger than ever.

Really man who the hell go to azura anymore if you want to lock down a 30 day go their no one cares about that campaign any longer.You ruin the only competitive 30 day we have.You Morning and Night cap each keep after everyone fall asleep or everyone at work congratulations your winning the campaign by PVEing.Yea of course their going to fall to take back the map when you have every buff plus out number everyone in the campaign 3-1.Ad is popped locked throughout the morning while DC and EP has no bars.The AP is great for us I will admit that but the battles are lack luster at best that campaign used to be great you could find battles everywhere Now all you have is AD zerging the map and ruin the only other competitive campaign we have that people actually want to play on.

Again ask any PC player what doing this does to the community it ruins it.They all had to learn about it when the game came out and now we have to as well.

The small group I PvP with has already talked about playing significantly less PvP if not quitting PvP altogether until this stops. AD has not only ruined Scourge but every other semi-competitive campaign in the game.

I agree with you my friends I play with regularly are thinking about just leaving the game to play something else because we really have no options either Get zerged down by 50 ad or deal with the lag of Haderus.

G0DS_DEMON

What if those 8 guilds mentioned earlier in this thread that got together to take over Scourge split up and half went back to Haderus and the rest stayed in Scourge. Are blue and red going to guarantee they are going to spread their groups out over all the campaigns ?? Probably not. So if yellow split up and spread out, what is to stop red or blue from doing the same thing yellow is currently doing on Scourge ?? Yellow is dominating Scourge on the current campaign, however blue won the last campaign by a big margin when most of the yellow guilds mentioned earlier in this thread were in the campaign like they are now. Most of the guilds in the 8 mentioned came from Haderus. If they all went back there we would be having the same conversations that yellow is ruining the campaign, only Haderus instead of Scourge. People on all factions go to where the action is. When these guilds were on Haderus there used to be really great campaigns usually going back and forth , with mainly blue winning. Then the yellow players started getting better and more organized. Suddenly the top players from blue moved from Haderus to Scourge. Naturally yellow found out and followed because they wanted better competition and wanted to play the better organized groups like previously in Haderus. Like I said, all factions will try to take control of a map and dominate it if they get the chance. Last campaign on Scourge blue had yellow pushed back at their gate on multiple instances. Again this was with those 8 yellow guilds that came to Scourge. People will go where the action is on all factions.

Deadkrau5

G0DS_DEMON wrote: »

What if those 8 guilds mentioned earlier in this thread that got together to take over Scourge split up and half went back to Haderus and the rest stayed in Scourge. Are blue and red going to guarantee they are going to spread their groups out over all the campaigns ?? Probably not. So if yellow split up and spread out, what is to stop red or blue from doing the same thing yellow is currently doing on Scourge ?? Yellow is dominating Scourge on the current campaign, however blue won the last campaign by a big margin when most of the yellow guilds mentioned earlier in this thread were in the campaign like they are now. Most of the guilds in the 8 mentioned came from Haderus. If they all went back there we would be having the same conversations that yellow is ruining the campaign, only Haderus instead of Scourge. People on all factions go to where the action is. When these guilds were on Haderus there used to be really great campaigns usually going back and forth , with mainly blue winning. Then the yellow players started getting better and more organized. Suddenly the top players from blue moved from Haderus to Scourge. Naturally yellow found out and followed because they wanted better competition and wanted to play the better organized groups like previously in Haderus. Like I said, all factions will try to take control of a map and dominate it if they get the chance. Last campaign on Scourge blue had yellow pushed back at their gate on multiple instances. Again this was with those 8 yellow guilds that came to Scourge. People will go where the action is on all factions.

It may be the case that people will go where the action is, however the issue is that organized AD guilds have zerged and driven EP and DC out of the majority of campaigns, and as a result fewer EP are participating in PvP and AD outnumbers DC and EP in PvP 5 to 1 in it's current state. The only way to recover from this is for AD plays to roll another faction to even numbers out or for them to PvP less, to entice EP and DC to return to campaigns. Right now a lot of players don't come go into PvP because of the long odds outside of maybe Haderus. AD doesn't have to roll to EP or DC but the way it is right now, PvP unbalanced Alliance-wise, will mean that AD will have no-one to fight eventually. That's just my opinion, based on observations over the last 2-3 weeks.

Father_X_Zombie

fighting AD ball zergs in a nutshell

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/AK x Zombie/video/14905929

this is a little older, but still accurate showing how AD plays PvP *eg AP farming

Jaronking

G0DS_DEMON wrote: »

What if those 8 guilds mentioned earlier in this thread that got together to take over Scourge split up and half went back to Haderus and the rest stayed in Scourge. Are blue and red going to guarantee they are going to spread their groups out over all the campaigns ?? Probably not. So if yellow split up and spread out, what is to stop red or blue from doing the same thing yellow is currently doing on Scourge ?? Yellow is dominating Scourge on the current campaign, however blue won the last campaign by a big margin when most of the yellow guilds mentioned earlier in this thread were in the campaign like they are now. Most of the guilds in the 8 mentioned came from Haderus. If they all went back there we would be having the same conversations that yellow is ruining the campaign, only Haderus instead of Scourge. People on all factions go to where the action is. When these guilds were on Haderus there used to be really great campaigns usually going back and forth , with mainly blue winning. Then the yellow players started getting better and more organized. Suddenly the top players from blue moved from Haderus to Scourge. Naturally yellow found out and followed because they wanted better competition and wanted to play the better organized groups like previously in Haderus. Like I said, all factions will try to take control of a map and dominate it if they get the chance. Last campaign on Scourge blue had yellow pushed back at their gate on multiple instances. Again this was with those 8 yellow guilds that came to Scourge. People will go where the action is on all factions.

Well for DC we don't have that many players to actually spread out so we would only really have people on Haderus and Scrounge.While yes DC won the last campaign their were barely any EP in the Campaign so it was mainly DC and AD fighting it out.You also forgetting that for the first half of the campaign Hulk and his guild held it down for AD and you guys were winning but DC was still close behind.He didn't have to Night cap and Day cap the campaign to get EMP and hold the map.It took a while for DC to actually gain the lead and even with hold their own against AD The campaign was fun and interesting.You know why a bunch of DC left Haderus and went to Scrounge because of those 8 gotten dam AD guilds Night Cap and Day Cap the campaign so it was always painted Yellow.That's not competition its you waiting for most players to go to sleep or at work and taking over the map.Its the reason why a bunch of DC went back to Haderus when those 8 AD guilds came over because you ruined the competition that was their.So don't act like this was the same thing because AD had DC at their Gates as well last campaign it's was a back and forth between both factions and it was fun now it just AD pushing everyone else out so no one will want to play their.

SneaK

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

Jaronking

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

@SneaK that's not our problem at all our problem is that the campaign was balanced and each faction had a chance of winning it now AD has changed that.Instead of fighting for the campaign and winning through hard work they just Night Cap the campaign and hold the other factions to their gates until prime time.Its strangle the life out of the campaign.That's our problem I don't care about being zerged down what I want is a competitive campaign that's not Lagerus.We should have more then just one competitive campaign to ease the stress on the servers.Doing this makes everyone go to the same place.

Deadkrau5

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

I never complained about being zerged down, I only used it as a way to describe how multiple AD guilds have gone into multiple campaigns and strangled the life from them, making them one sided affairs. I already pointed out that I have neither the time nor energy to organize what would be necessary to return these campaigns to they way they were. This isn't about zergs at all, it's about AD organizing itself and systematically killing PvP, whether that was their intent or not, and taking over campaigns with sheer numbers. I could give a *** less about winning a campaign, I'd just like to go somewhere other than my gate in Cyrodiil. Farming AD with my gate is only so fun for so long.

SneaK

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

I never complained about being zerged down, I only used it as a way to describe how multiple AD guilds have gone into multiple campaigns and strangled the life from them, making them one sided affairs. I already pointed out that I have neither the time nor energy to organize what would be necessary to return these campaigns to they way they were. This isn't about zergs at all, it's about AD organizing itself and systematically killing PvP, whether that was their intent or not, and taking over campaigns with sheer numbers. I could give a *** less about winning a campaign, I'd just like to go somewhere other than my gate in Cyrodiil. Farming AD with my gate is only so fun for so long.

I can say the exact same thing though about other campaigns I play in.. I consistently log into Skeleton Key to see Blue at our gates. I have gone into Thornblade frequently to see Red at our gates. The only difference is the name of the campaigns and the colors that are overkilling the maps. I am 100% with you on the notion that this BS has to go, gate campers are cancer to PvP.

Emperors and guild leaders need to promote healthy PvP and not push so far that the other sides lose all hope. Problem is that this will never just outright happen. There will never be a universal moral code in Cyrodiil. The best way I can think to promote healthy PvP is to change the way the population caps work and how home keep bonuses work, it would at least be a start to some balance and some incentive to take keeps.

neo7185

I found the first several posts of this thread pretty hilarious and assume most of them are EP. EP definitely has the most players. I'm in AD, have been from the start, but that is not bias talking. Don't just look at the campaigns you're playing, look at every campaign's bars. You'll see very quickly that Red has the most across the board. Followed by AD, followed by DC. I do agree with another person that AD and DC seemed to gain some ground after thieves, but its still not even.

G0DS_DEMON

Actually the last Scourge campaign blue won by over 10k I believe. That doesn't sound like a close match between blue and yellow. If yellow controlled the first part of the last campaign, then blue did the exact same thing for the rest of that last campaign. Like I said earlier, blue had yellow pinned back to their gates for a while. So blue did have a large number as far as population then. Those 8 guilds for yellow were there getting pushed. So why when yellow pushes it's an issue, but not when blue does it ?? As someone mentioned earlier, one of the blue leaders whom almost all blue seem to follow reached max rank and stopped playing/ got banned. Is that why blue left Scourge ?? As far as night and early morning capping, from what I have seen its not really organized guilds. Most of the bigger AD guilds are on more I have seen randoms take keeps during the night into the early morning. Reason I know that they are not guilds is because I've been asked to group up on occasion and can tell by their conversations that they are not an organized guild. As far as these 8 AD guilds that came over from Haderus, I belong to 3 of them. I asked one of the guild leaders why the switch to Scourge. The answer I got was that there were better campaign rewards. Even though I belong to 3 of those guilds, 90% of the time I run solo. If blue did jump back to Haderus as organized guilds, then they will just do what is being said of AD in Scourge. Other factions can't deny when they have the opportunity, they will take over the map in a heartbeat. All factions farm AP. It won't be long before another post pops up about this same thing only its blue or red.

LBxFinalDeath

Incorrect actually, DC just has skillful players who are/were capable of 1vX'ing easily if you want pure honesty. (I say were since prox det and other things that make 1vX'ing that much easier will soon be axed)

DC rarely if ever has a "comparable" population to the other factions...its just a cold hard fact of XB1 NA, DC is just punished a lot more severely for mistakes than the other factions so every player has to try that much harder or DC has no chance of victory.

Especially in the off servers, if DC is trying to do anything in them they have to be flawless or welp...gotta spawn back at one of DC original spawn points while AD/EP if they get wiped can just travel across the whole map back to the fight instantly.

Regardless, the majority of DC's try hards who dominated Scourge last have vanished from the game....this has had a VERY obvious effect in Scourge as Yellow is curb stomping everything with very little competition, the little competition they find are believe it or not EP players.

Its amusing that the absence of the smallest faction has had a big effect in the try hard campaigns tbh, it shows just how hard DC was trying to win despite AD being by far more organized....with what was it? 8 entire PvP guilds dedicated to the sole cause of dominating Scourge?

Now that DC has for the most part left Scourge you can see what DC was putting up with...with I assume some assistance from EP.

PurifedBladez

You guys are all sitting in here giving AD and ComboBreaker *** when literally every faction has there own little campaign. As it stands right now there is to many campaigns for the current population. People have to many choices and, they rather go into one of there buff campaigns and zerg out. Not Combos fault clearly ZoS fault.


They need to merge the campaigns only 3 maybe 4.
Haderus
Scourge
BWB

PurifedBladez

G0DS_DEMON wrote: »

Actually the last Scourge campaign blue won by over 10k I believe. That doesn't sound like a close match between blue and yellow. If yellow controlled the first part of the last campaign, then blue did the exact same thing for the rest of that last campaign. Like I said earlier, blue had yellow pinned back to their gates for a while. So blue did have a large number as far as population then. Those 8 guilds for yellow were there getting pushed. So why when yellow pushes it's an issue, but not when blue does it ?? As someone mentioned earlier, one of the blue leaders whom almost all blue seem to follow reached max rank and stopped playing/ got banned. Is that why blue left Scourge ?? As far as night and early morning capping, from what I have seen its not really organized guilds. Most of the bigger AD guilds are on more I have seen randoms take keeps during the night into the early morning. Reason I know that they are not guilds is because I've been asked to group up on occasion and can tell by their conversations that they are not an organized guild. As far as these 8 AD guilds that came over from Haderus, I belong to 3 of them. I asked one of the guild leaders why the switch to Scourge. The answer I got was that there were better campaign rewards. Even though I belong to 3 of those guilds, 90% of the time I run solo. If blue did jump back to Haderus as organized guilds, then they will just do what is being said of AD in Scourge. Other factions can't deny when they have the opportunity, they will take over the map in a heartbeat. All factions farm AP. It won't be long before another post pops up about this same thing only its blue or red.

Those blues are in skull.

LBxFinalDeath

@PurifedBladez

DC has a buff server? Since when?

Last buff server DC had was skull but it was invaded by quite a lot of EP who were getting rekt in Haderus and they wanted to pick on the PvE'rs thus making it no longer a buff server for DC.

DC is 1 bar or less in every server but the try hard servers and even thats changing with how PvP is evolving....while in the off servers where DC is 1 bar its usually 2 bar Red or Yellow...maybe both in some cases.

If anything Scourge was DC's buff server since it was the only 3 Bar DC campaign until recently...and thats one of the try hard comp campaigns....so not really a buff server still.

Jaronking

PurifedBladez wrote: »

You guys are all sitting in here giving AD and ComboBreaker *** when literally every faction has there own little campaign. As it stands right now there is to many campaigns for the current population. People have to many choices and, they rather go into one of there buff campaigns and zerg out. Not Combos fault clearly ZoS fault.


They need to merge the campaigns only 3 maybe 4.
Haderus
Scourge
BWB

No we need more then that look at PC Na its like that now and its bad we need at least 3 Vet cp enable campaign and BWB being CP disabled.

G0DS_DEMON

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

I never complained about being zerged down, I only used it as a way to describe how multiple AD guilds have gone into multiple campaigns and strangled the life from them, making them one sided affairs. I already pointed out that I have neither the time nor energy to organize what would be necessary to return these campaigns to they way they were. This isn't about zergs at all, it's about AD organizing itself and systematically killing PvP, whether that was their intent or not, and taking over campaigns with sheer numbers. I could give a *** less about winning a campaign, I'd just like to go somewhere other than my gate in Cyrodiil. Farming AD with my gate is only so fun for so long.

So we have people complaining that AD has a strangle hold on Scourge right now, when blue dominated it last campaign. Then someone else complaining that AD is spread out ruining multiple campaigns. Where is the logic ?? AD has to play somewhere.

SneaK

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

@PurifedBladez

DC has a buff server? Since when?

Last buff server DC had was skull but it was invaded by quite a lot of EP who were getting rekt in Haderus thus making it no longer a buff server for DC.

DC is 1 bar or less in every server but the try hard servers and even thats changing with how PvP is evolving....while in the off servers where DC is 1 bar its usually 2 bar Red or Yellow...maybe both in some cases.

DC owns campaigns, you are fooling yourself. Skeleton Key in particular, is normally highly populated with DC. There has been some good resistance lately from both Yellow and Red in there though. Still, would absolutely consider this you all's buff server.

LBxFinalDeath

Ah yes, the closest thing DC has to a buff server is a "nicely contested" server.

Great, meanwhile AD and EP each own several entire campaigns that for the most part aren't contested at all and the few that are its AD against EP since its suicide for DC to play in anything but Scourge or their "buff server" Skeleton Key unless their goal is to gank.

I wouldn't consider that a buff server, what AD for example has with its near infinite amounts of Former Emperors who seemingly take turns getting Emperor in their off servers is what I'd consider a buff server.

DC has no such luxury thus DC has no "buff server."

If a DC wants Emp DC has to get it in the most highly contested campaigns, no buff server to fall back on.

PurifedBladez

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Ah yes, the closest thing DC has to a buff server is a "nicely contested" server.

Great, meanwhile AD and EP each own several entire campaigns that for the most part aren't contested at all and the few that are its AD against EP since its suicide for DC to play in anything but Scourge or their "buff server" Skeleton Key.

I wouldn't consider that a buff server, what AD for example has with its near infinite amounts of Former Emperors who seemingly take turns getting Emperor in their off servers is what I'd consider a buff server.

Never highly contested during primetime. Just a blue zerg shitting on everything. The only reason the scoring is so close is because when dc gets off red or yellow cap it out. Then there really is no pvp there and the campaign gets boring as hell till the DC zerg logs back on and makes the campaign even worse. Lol.

The only campaign AD owns is scourge last time I checked. Blue was looking a lot better across the board. Last night in Skull all blue, check haderus almost just as bad.. so what dude?

KingWhyteboi

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

@PurifedBladez

DC has a buff server? Since when?

Last buff server DC had was skull but it was invaded by quite a lot of EP who were getting rekt in Haderus and they wanted to pick on the PvE'rs thus making it no longer a buff server for DC.

DC is 1 bar or less in every server but the try hard servers and even thats changing with how PvP is evolving....while in the off servers where DC is 1 bar its usually 2 bar Red or Yellow...maybe both in some cases.

If anything Scourge was DC's buff server since it was the only 3 Bar DC campaign until recently...and thats one of the try hard comp campaigns....so not really a buff server still.

you are mistaking my friend skeleton key is blues server now only time red takes it is when the big blue guild in there wants to emp flop they jump on there reds take it and go back to blue and retake it

Deadkrau5

G0DS_DEMON wrote: »

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

I never complained about being zerged down, I only used it as a way to describe how multiple AD guilds have gone into multiple campaigns and strangled the life from them, making them one sided affairs. I already pointed out that I have neither the time nor energy to organize what would be necessary to return these campaigns to they way they were. This isn't about zergs at all, it's about AD organizing itself and systematically killing PvP, whether that was their intent or not, and taking over campaigns with sheer numbers. I could give a *** less about winning a campaign, I'd just like to go somewhere other than my gate in Cyrodiil. Farming AD with my gate is only so fun for so long.

So we have people complaining that AD has a strangle hold on Scourge right now, when blue dominated it last campaign. Then someone else complaining that AD is spread out ruining multiple campaigns. Where is the logic ?? AD has to play somewhere.

I agree they have to play somewhere. My biggest complaint and somewhat of an oxymoron is that AD guilds have organized themselves too well. I know it sounds stupid, but when 2 or 3 guilds push to the gates and put 100 man zergs at those keeps nearest the gates it kills the campaign, especially those not pop capped, because the people looking for small scale pvp leave because they are outnumbered 10 to 1. AD has done this to Thornblade and Skull of Corruption over the last 2 or 3 weeks. Skull used to have some good back and forth with 1-2 bars of AD and EP on every night, now it's an AD buff campaign. The same thing recently happened to Thornblade. They push the map and put 300 guys at the gates. People aren't going to deal with that, they'll leave PvP because they have no shot at actually doing anything in Cyrodiil. EP has been pushed into Azura's which is fine, because the only purpose buff campaigns have for me is the convenience they provide to Skyshard hunt. Maybe that's all changed while at work today, but i doubt it.

SneaK

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Ah yes, the closest thing DC has to a buff server is a "nicely contested" server.

Great, meanwhile AD and EP each own several entire campaigns that for the most part aren't contested at all and the few that are its AD against EP since its suicide for DC to play in anything but Scourge or their "buff server" Skeleton Key unless their goal is to gank.

I wouldn't consider that a buff server, what AD for example has with its near infinite amounts of Former Emperors who seemingly take turns getting Emperor in their off servers is what I'd consider a buff server.

DC has no such luxury thus DC has no "buff server."

If a DC wants Emp DC has to get it in the most highly contested campaigns, no buff server to fall back on.

I wouldn't say it's "nicely contested" by any means. Blues outnumber reds/yellows probably 5/1 in that campaign. The only reason other colors have been showing up is cause the campaigns ends near a weekend so it makes it more convenient to rush in at reset and farm AP then push for an emp. Holding emp in Skeleton Key if red/yellow is pretty much out of the question cause of how many pug blues night cap.

I'm not sure what campaigns you would consider AD "owning" other than Scourge and Azura (<-which doesn't even count). Guilds switch campaigns almost every reset, they all change. Historically speaking though, I would only consider Yellow to "own" 2 campaigns.

About emperors, I've seen a ton of scrandom blue emps, you're statement about having to be in Haderus/Scourge is false.

G0DS_DEMON

PurifedBladez wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Ah yes, the closest thing DC has to a buff server is a "nicely contested" server.

Great, meanwhile AD and EP each own several entire campaigns that for the most part aren't contested at all and the few that are its AD against EP since its suicide for DC to play in anything but Scourge or their "buff server" Skeleton Key.

I wouldn't consider that a buff server, what AD for example has with its near infinite amounts of Former Emperors who seemingly take turns getting Emperor in their off servers is what I'd consider a buff server.

Never highly contested during primetime. Just a blue zerg shitting on everything. The only reason the scoring is so close is because when dc gets off red or yellow cap it out. Then there really is no pvp there and the campaign gets boring as hell till the DC zerg logs back on and makes the campaign even worse. Lol.

The only campaign AD owns is scourge last time I checked. Blue was looking a lot better across the board. Last night in Skull all blue, check haderus almost just as bad.. so what dude?

That is what I've been saying. If blue is owning Skull, why isn't that as big of an issue as yellow owning Scourge right now. Its a game, nothing more nothing less. People will not be controlled to play where they don't want to. Dominating campaigns is going to happen by all factions.

PurifedBladez

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

G0DS_DEMON wrote: »

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

I never complained about being zerged down, I only used it as a way to describe how multiple AD guilds have gone into multiple campaigns and strangled the life from them, making them one sided affairs. I already pointed out that I have neither the time nor energy to organize what would be necessary to return these campaigns to they way they were. This isn't about zergs at all, it's about AD organizing itself and systematically killing PvP, whether that was their intent or not, and taking over campaigns with sheer numbers. I could give a *** less about winning a campaign, I'd just like to go somewhere other than my gate in Cyrodiil. Farming AD with my gate is only so fun for so long.

So we have people complaining that AD has a strangle hold on Scourge right now, when blue dominated it last campaign. Then someone else complaining that AD is spread out ruining multiple campaigns. Where is the logic ?? AD has to play somewhere.

I agree they have to play somewhere. My biggest complaint and somewhat of an oxymoron is that AD guilds have organized themselves too well. I know it sounds stupid, but when 2 or 3 guilds push to the gates and put 100 man zergs at those keeps nearest the gates it kills the campaign, especially those not pop capped, because the people looking for small scale pvp leave because they are outnumbered 10 to 1. AD has done this to Thornblade and Skull of Corruption over the last 2 or 3 weeks. Skull used to have some good back and forth with 1-2 bars of AD and EP on every night, now it's an AD buff campaign. The same thing recently happened to Thornblade. They push the map and put 300 guys at the gates. People aren't going to deal with that, they'll leave PvP because they have no shot at actually doing anything in Cyrodiil. EP has been pushed into Azura's which is fine, because the only purpose buff campaigns have for me is the convenience they provide to Skyshard hunt. Maybe that's all changed while at work today, but i doubt it.

Refer to my post above. That's my response lol.

Jaronking

G0DS_DEMON wrote: »

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

I never complained about being zerged down, I only used it as a way to describe how multiple AD guilds have gone into multiple campaigns and strangled the life from them, making them one sided affairs. I already pointed out that I have neither the time nor energy to organize what would be necessary to return these campaigns to they way they were. This isn't about zergs at all, it's about AD organizing itself and systematically killing PvP, whether that was their intent or not, and taking over campaigns with sheer numbers. I could give a *** less about winning a campaign, I'd just like to go somewhere other than my gate in Cyrodiil. Farming AD with my gate is only so fun for so long.

So we have people complaining that AD has a strangle hold on Scourge right now, when blue dominated it last campaign. Then someone else complaining that AD is spread out ruining multiple campaigns. Where is the logic ?? AD has to play somewhere.

You can play somewhere but you don't have to strangle hold the campaign and ruin it for the other 2 factions. Scrounge last campaign was still competitive for all factions but EP.I have no problem with AD fighting in a campaign but don't ruin it for everyone your killing the dam server how don't you see that.When its used to be Even bars for both factions last campaign and now its AD popped locked all through the morning and prime time with the other 2 factions barely have Amy bars.

PurifedBladez

A couple of those guilds need to leave scourge and come to skull to promote a healthier pvp environment. You guys do like ESO.. Right?

SneaK

Jaronking wrote: »

G0DS_DEMON wrote: »

Deadkrau5 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

All you guys whining about AD zerging you down and acting like your victims... I get zerged down by blue and red EVERY DAMN DAY. I'm not blaming players I'm blaming ZOS for allowing population caps to peak regardless of the other alliances numbers. If you want to win a campaign put a group together and push the map. But don't go into a one-sided campaign and expect to ride up to an enemy keep, not siege, and somehow miraculously take that keep by yourself. And don't complain about "competitiveness" when your strategy is to 1vX a whole campaign. Good luck with that.

I never complained about being zerged down, I only used it as a way to describe how multiple AD guilds have gone into multiple campaigns and strangled the life from them, making them one sided affairs. I already pointed out that I have neither the time nor energy to organize what would be necessary to return these campaigns to they way they were. This isn't about zergs at all, it's about AD organizing itself and systematically killing PvP, whether that was their intent or not, and taking over campaigns with sheer numbers. I could give a *** less about winning a campaign, I'd just like to go somewhere other than my gate in Cyrodiil. Farming AD with my gate is only so fun for so long.

So we have people complaining that AD has a strangle hold on Scourge right now, when blue dominated it last campaign. Then someone else complaining that AD is spread out ruining multiple campaigns. Where is the logic ?? AD has to play somewhere.

You can play somewhere but you don't have to strangle hold the campaign and ruin it for the other 2 factions. Scrounge last campaign was still competitive for all factions but EP.I have no problem with AD fighting in a campaign but don't ruin it for everyone your killing the dam server how don't you see that.When its used to be Even bars for both factions last campaign and now its AD popped locked all through the morning and prime time with the other 2 factions barely have Amy bars.

The logic here is flawed man. If Scourge is supposed to be the "competitive" campaign then AD is doing what Blue and Red should be doing. Ideally, all 3 alliances would be going all out to push and win the campaign, which would naturally even stuff out and make for more skillful play. Perhaps instead of AD calling it off, Red/Blue should come out of there buff servers and play in the "competitive" campaign... I mean, if Scourge means that much then the Red and Blue guilds crowning emps in the other almost vacant campaigns need to show up. Simple as that.

^That said, the server can't support 3 poplocked alliances, thus can't support fair play. Haha, sad truth though.