Daily in vWGT and vICP. Are you kidding me?

Eejit1331

The problem with those two dungeons and much more content of the game is the garbage RNG. I have two full sets of well fitted spell power cure. Come on, man!

Woeler

Here it is, VWGT with DD's only light attacking... yea "too hard" lol

TheDarkShadow

How do you think those experienced people get their experience? They started just like you, struggle to finish those dungeons. It seem impossible. They wipe again and again, their group fed up with it and disband, they find another group and keep trying. They start from the normal mode, to vet mode no challenge, then gold. Their ar$e get kicked so many times till they learned the mechanic and know how to avoid those kick. THAT is how they get their experience.

Nifty2g

Che wrote: »

I play for a month, actively collecting gear as suggested in the guides, however, I encountered a problem: the "gold key" is impossible to get if daily quest in one of this two dungeons.

Explain:
1) There take only a exped(those who have already done it).
2) To do this, you need all collected gear at your class(spec) and actual build.

Question:
As you can gather gear to get there, if you need to get there to collect gear?

P.S.: Yesterday quest in vICP, today in vWGT. You really kidding. I'm depressed, hands fall.

Since you want constructive, I'm going to give you constructive and as much help as I can possibly give you.

Step 1, you must drop your arrogance and be willing to learn, maybe post your build what you're doing, there is a lot of information floating around these forums all you have to do is look around, and you have to be willing enough to stop and thing that the players giving their information know exactly what they are talking about.

Sort your build out as a step one, then start playing with some guilds, are your NA or EU if you are on NA message Ettenmoor and join Nightfighters, they're a good guild and friendly play with each other a lot and you can start progressing with that guild if you choose to.

You do not understand anything because they do not read the first post? The main problem is that these dungeons appear in daily, people without the gear and experience can not to do them.

I don't think you understand, you need to accept that there are players wanting a challenge, the current Veteran Dungeons in the base game are incredibly easy, far too easy. These dungeons are really good, and players SHOULD be rewarded for completing them, of course they should be on the dailies list, it also encourages you as a player to get better, if you don't like them then don't do them. You are not forced to do the daily dungeons, there is no requirement that you have to do them apart from the Undaunted Passive. But since you want gold keys it sounds like you are trying to get Best in Slot gear, so yes, that should be put behind hard content like these dungeons.

Lastly if you are on NA and want a clear for this daily just message me or add me in game, same as my username, I have not done my daily yet and would give me a reason to (I'll get the group together with players)

Woeler

Che wrote: »

Greydir wrote: »

So your Problem in all seriousness is: You Play a mere month and have Problems completing the Hardest 4 Person Content in the game.
Reason one you say is: You do not have the Gear
Solution: Get usefull Crafted gear. Everyone can Wear a 5 Pice and an additional 3-4 Piece Set. With a little bit of optimizing it is Possible without a major hitch to Complete these Dungeons. The Monster Setpieces and other collectible Setpieces are additions to Max out your char, they are not Strictly needed to complete these Dungeons
Reason two you give is: You do not have the Group
Solution: If you are in a guild, do not offer money for Farmruns, if your guild collects money from you for Farmruns, leave that guild. In my opinion you should ask - politely - if some group may take you with them and explain the mechanics and workings of the dungeon to you. Make it clear, that you wish to get better, and not that your only objective is, to complete the dungeon by being carried by others. That is something that happens if you offer Money to people to carry you through a dungeon.
Reason three you give is: You do not have the Build
Solution: Ask People for advice, inform yourself, and think for yourself. The best cookie cutter build does not help, if you can not utilize it.

(Nearly) Everyone Sucked as they began playing. Getting better and finishing harder content should be a gradual and rewarding experience. This is the problem for many of the more experienced players, they do not have any more content (except maybe the vMoL. but thats only for the raidplayers) to give them this gradual and rewarding experience. Therefore be happy to have an actual challenge in front of you.

Thank you for an adequate response. But I still do not understand why the golden key included these two difficult dungeons.

Then do the normal version and collect your silver key. Even if it is the veteran daily, completing the normal version still gives you a silver key at the undaunted. You are not entitled to one gold key per day just because you log in.

covenant_merchant

If you are on PC EU server, I can help you too, should you want it. I'm usually running these dungeons 6 times a day to farm gold keys for BiS epaulets (keeping them for next patch and hoping that sturdy will drop). But yeah, posting your gear, stats, and skills would be a nice start.

Not all random pug groups are bad, I've run plenty with actually awesome people, who simply go for zone chat groups by lack of motivation and/or pve guild.
So post your gear and stats, swallow your pride, and go get them tiger!

Scraelos

Che wrote: »

I play for a month, actively collecting gear as suggested in the guides, however, I encountered a problem: the "gold key" is impossible to get if daily quest in one of this two dungeons.

Explain:
1) There take only a exped(those who have already done it).
2) To do this, you need all collected gear at your class(spec) and actual build.

Question:
As you can gather gear to get there, if you need to get there to collect gear?

P.S.: Yesterday quest in vICP, today in vWGT. You really kidding. I'm depressed, hands fall.

1. You are supposed to complete it in normal mode, then you need to watch various video guides on youtube, then you need to gather other 2 newbies and ask some exp player from your guild to guide you through dungeon.
2. You don't need to collect gear from these dungeons to complete these dungeons. On my templar dd I run it with 5xJulianos, 3xWillpower, 2xSkoria,2xTorugs. It's just standard gear for magicka dd.

code65536

Che wrote: »

But I still do not understand why the golden key included these two difficult dungeons.

Unlike the other gold key pledges, vICP/vWGT will reward you with double the gold keys because they are difficult, and the reward is better, in reflection of that difficulty. Do harder content, get better rewards. What's wrong with that.

Also, you don't need a gold key. If you can't do it, then don't. Skip the pledge. Or do nICP/nWGT and get a silver key (ICP/WGT are special in that you can do the dungeon on normal mode). After next week's major update, silver keys will be much more valuable than they are now.

You've only been playing for a month. I didn't even start running group dungeons until a month after I started playing. And I when I started doing pledges for the first time, we wiped horribly on our first attempt at a vet pledge. It wasn't until two weeks later that I completed my first vet pledge. And even then, there were vet pledges that I could not do and that I would just skip if it came up on the rotation. But eventually, I got better at the game. I learned how to play, I got better gear, and I started doing the pledges that I can't do. That's progression--and that's something that every player goes through.

You also don't need experienced players to carry you through. Yes, experienced players generally want to run with other experienced players. So what? When I started doing pledges, I did them with friends--people who were just as inexperienced as I was. We had no idea what we were doing, but we learned, and over time, we became experienced. In many ways, it's actually worse to run with experienced people because you won't learn as well with people doing the work for you.

So please get some perspective: If you can't do the pledge, that's okay. It's not the end of the world to skip a pledge. If you can't find experienced people to carry you, that's okay--it's a better and more rewarding experience to run with friends who are at around the same level as you. If you aren't ready to run it today--don't have the crafted gear or don't have enough experience--that's okay: just run it the next time it comes up on the rotation. Surely you can wait 10 days. And during those 10 days, you can be getting practice with other dungeons and getting better at the game so that you'll be in a better position next time.

LadyNalcarya

code65536 wrote: »

You also don't need experienced players to carry you through. Yes, experienced players generally want to run with other experienced players. So what? When I started doing pledges, I did them with friends--people who were just as inexperienced as I was. We had no idea what we were doing, but we learned, and over time, we became experienced. In many ways, it's actually worse to run with experienced people because you won't learn as well with people doing the work for you.

This is a very good point.
Some people are acting like all those experienced players just born with this knowledge or something like this. When in fact you can start with unexperienced group and succeed.
Some newbies though think that they're too good for unexperienced groups... Not just for WGT/ICP, for trials too.

Totalitarian

IMO, vICP isn't even hard.

It's seriously 90% mechanics.

Lord Warden Dusk is just run around and stay close to a portal while DPSing (he doesn't even do much damage). Only reasons you should die is either from his machine gun thing, or if you go don't go into a portal. Hard Mode is just more HP and meteors. And if you're dying because he has more HP, that just means you aren't good with the mechanics.


That being said, I still haven't finished it on v16, mainly because a lack of good group members.

Seriously, yesterday, I got a group with 3 others. 2 had already done it, and the 3rd said he had watched several playthroughs of it, so he knew the mechanics. Yeah right. Had to hold his hand through the whole thing. When it came to the Gravelight Sentry, I told the group that we all needed to slot Crushing Shock, and the guy said that he didn't have it (and he was a Sorc). I asked him what his spammable single-target DPS was. He said Crystal Shard. ;_;. Thankfully, the other 3 of us could shore up the weakness on that one.

Needless to say, when it came to Lord Warden Dusk, he had no idea what he was doing, and he was always dying because he was getting to the portals late. Our other DPS told him to slot Streak to get him to the portals. Still didn't work. Yet me, being an immobile Templar Healer, only dies once by Dusk's Portal thing, while I try to res allies.

I was honestly surprised that 2 of the people in the group had finished vICP, considering they were constantly missing portals.

Worst part was that I had offered to scale pledge to v1 if they didn't think they were up for it.

/rant


Er...but you want to know some tips on a Magicka build?
1. Run Harness Magicka/Annulment at all times
2. ALWAYS keep a destruction staff on hand for the Gravelight Sentry (for crushing shock)
3. On Lord Warden Dusk, stay close to a portal so you don't end up missing one when Dusky flies into the air and prepares to wreck you.


I have no tips for vWGT.

Lenikus

Get gud.
L2P issue is strong this tiem of the month.


Just do Silver.
If you lack the experience, or simply can't get your head around the mechanics of the dungeon, simply skip the day.

BucFanJKE

My problem is finding a guild. I am a V16 breton templar and I can do either DPS or be the healer but I still can't find anyone to take me through and learn the mechanics. I'm in an end game PVE guild, but typically they don't have time to teach the newer people mechanics. I've tried to get included but it's hard to learn the mechanics when they prefer speed runs with their usual group to farm gear rather teaching others. It could just be that I haven't found the right guilds but I have bounced around in a few and still have a tough time getting people to teach me dungeons.

Obviously as broken as group finder is there isn't much chance of getting a completion that way. The werewolf dw/bow "tanks" with 16k health make finding PUGs impossible.

I don't think any of the content in the game is impossibly difficult. I just haven't learned it yet.

LadyNalcarya

@BucFanJKE wrote: »

My problem is finding a guild. I am a V16 breton templar and I can do either DPS or be the healer but I still can't find anyone to take me through and learn the mechanics. I'm in an end game PVE guild, but typically they don't have time to teach the newer people mechanics. I've tried to get included but it's hard to learn the mechanics when they prefer speed runs with their usual group to farm gear rather teaching others. It could just be that I haven't found the right guilds but I have bounced around in a few and still have a tough time getting people to teach me dungeons.

Obviously as broken as group finder is there isn't much chance of getting a completion that way. The werewolf dw/bow "tanks" with 16k health make finding PUGs impossible.

I don't think any of the content in the game is impossibly difficult. I just haven't learned it yet.

Maybe if you tell us your platform, someone can invite you to a group/pledge

Edit: Maybe someone can make a "Looking for my first vICP/vWGT group" thread?

Mr.Hmm

DDemon wrote: »

They are actually really easy if you and your group take the time to learn the mechanics. It takes some time to get the hang of them, but they are by no means impossible to complete with low level/cp chars.

Like any part of a game, content you have not completed before can be challenging.

I had a group with my Templar Tank that did ICP for the first time, 1 of them was a v16 who didnt care about telling them the tactics so every time we reached the boss he only waited till everyone was ready then went in.

We died a few times before we learned the tactics but that v16 left after 3 wipes(Cant believe that people leave after 3 wipes... that just ..... utterly sad) after that we found a random person and we did the ICP(after we explained him the tactics at each boss) we passed it easily then.

Its these groups that i like more than anything, sure we wiped alot but we learned the dungeon and the bosses quite well plus it was very fun.

BucFanJKE

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

BucFanJKE wrote: »

My problem is finding a guild. I am a V16 breton templar and I can do either DPS or be the healer but I still can't find anyone to take me through and learn the mechanics. I'm in an end game PVE guild, but typically they don't have time to teach the newer people mechanics. I've tried to get included but it's hard to learn the mechanics when they prefer speed runs with their usual group to farm gear rather teaching others. It could just be that I haven't found the right guilds but I have bounced around in a few and still have a tough time getting people to teach me dungeons.

Obviously as broken as group finder is there isn't much chance of getting a completion that way. The werewolf dw/bow "tanks" with 16k health make finding PUGs impossible.

I don't think any of the content in the game is impossibly difficult. I just haven't learned it yet.

Maybe if you tell us your platform, someone can invite you to a group/pledge

Edit: Maybe we can make a "Looking for my first vICP/vWGT group" thread?

I'm PS4 NA.

LadyNalcarya

BucFanJKE wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

BucFanJKE wrote: »

My problem is finding a guild. I am a V16 breton templar and I can do either DPS or be the healer but I still can't find anyone to take me through and learn the mechanics. I'm in an end game PVE guild, but typically they don't have time to teach the newer people mechanics. I've tried to get included but it's hard to learn the mechanics when they prefer speed runs with their usual group to farm gear rather teaching others. It could just be that I haven't found the right guilds but I have bounced around in a few and still have a tough time getting people to teach me dungeons.

Obviously as broken as group finder is there isn't much chance of getting a completion that way. The werewolf dw/bow "tanks" with 16k health make finding PUGs impossible.

I don't think any of the content in the game is impossibly difficult. I just haven't learned it yet.

Maybe if you tell us your platform, someone can invite you to a group/pledge

Edit: Maybe we can make a "Looking for my first vICP/vWGT group" thread?

I'm PS4 NA.

Thats too bad, I'm on PC/EU

Mush55

These two dungeons are difficult, Untill you learn the mechanics then they are doable it just takes practice.

WGT and ICP offer the last few challenges in the game and should be hard to do, run the normal versions a few times to get an idea of what to do.

You do not need insane dps just an understanding of what to do and when to do it.

I am by no means an uber leet player and still have difficulties with those two dungeons but I am getting better and can complete them , as I posted above Practice and it gets easier...