Is there anything that can be done to bring up Azuras population?

bikerangelo

Azura's was not sold properly by ZOS; they were just answering the complaints of a niche group of players, but after trying it out for about a week they left because they didn't want to spend the time or gold to change their builds. There's still quite a few good players in Azura's, but it will most likely be dead when DB comes out due to the already expensive skills becoming more expensive and the rampant use of poisons.
The one positive that anyone can appreciate from this experiment is the difference in performance due to populations. Azura's is practically lag free through prime time (and there are pretty large fights that occur), while in comparison Haderus and Trueflame feel incredibly sluggish with 3 bar populations. Honestly, some of the best fights I've had in this game were in Azura's, because 1 shot builds don't work as well as they do with CP and people have to manage their resources. The key to winning solely relies on player skill, animation cancelling, and being smart with expensive skills while weaving in heavy attacks to keep your resources up.
ZOS shouldn't have to bribe people to play without CP, nor should they try to corral them into it by removing or merging other campaigns, but I do agree that they should've put more thought into making a no-cp campaign a more attractive option. They literally just deactivated CP without rebalancing the NPC's, siege damage, Imperial City, etc. to accomodate the changes. Incentives like flat increases to AP gains, CP gains, and xp gains will only attract farmers, not pvp'ers. It's difficult to sell the campaign to other players who just don't want to sacrifice their CP or make another set of gear, but for me, Azura's had the incentives I was looking for; no lag, no 1 shot builds, and balanced fights. It's a shame it's not as populated as it should be.

rfennell_ESO

1. Is there anything that can be done to bring up Azuras population?

Make it a CP active campaign.

I know that's not the answer you desire, but it's true.

NBrookus

Iink wrote: »

[*] -Maybe removing Haderus from the campaign list will result in PVP's population being less divided? (I'm sure many who like Haderus will think this is unfair and a bad idea, I don't blame you, but it's the only other thing I can think of to save non-CP PVP. The only difference between Haderus and Trueflame is the duration, so the gameplay will be the same)

TF and Haderus are both pop-locked all weekend and AD usually has TF pop-locked during the week as well. We need another CP campaign to provide lag relief, not fewer campaigns.

Merging the two would mean even fewer players getting in to play. I think you drastically overestimate the attraction of Azura's for the TF/Haderus players if you think many of them will simply change to Azura's instead of logging off to play another game or watch TV.

Jaronking

Tolmos wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

What am sorry but if a player I'd better then those players he deserve to be able to 1v20 those players and I see no problem with that.Those players need to learn how to play the dam game if 20 people can't kill one person.Its not the game fault its the players.Their no reason numbers should every beat skill in my opinion of am better then you I should be able to defeat you as simple as that.Taking that away like Zos is trying to do is ridiculous and is ruining the game.Zos has added so Much to this game to her smaller groups its asinine.

To the OP only reason I don't play in Azura is because their no competition their so their no point in going.If their no one to fight why go their its a waste of my time.

Stats are not skill, and thus this conversation has nothing to do with someone being "better" and taking on 20 players. It has everything to do with the player being GIVEN the ability to take on multiple players simply by virtue of seniority or how much free time he has. I get that some players feel entitled to being overpowered, but that is not helpful to the game itself nor is it fun for the other people who play with them.

Now, if a player with the exact same stats as those they are fighting can take out 5+ opponents at once? Good on them, and they probably deserve some sort of in-game recognition in the form a title or something.

But in no way should be considered acceptable for 1 player to beat multiple others due only to their gifted stats from the system

I completely disagree look at players like @FENGRUSH or King Richard they play Stam Sorcs and have no class abilities passives or anything that help them play.Their stats are generally lower then other stamp classes and they still 1vX players.Not to mention 1vX players has been in this game before CP was introduce and it had Soft caps.I can't agree with you that a player who have played longer and know how to build their character with and without CP should be bale to take out more lesser skilled players or all that matters in this game is numbers.That's bullsh!t skill is play is something we all want and not just numbers.Thats what you 2 are asking for numbers beat everything. We need players like that if you see a player who can take on 5+ people by himself you will want to become a better player so you can do that yourself.With and without champion points this has always been apart of the game nothing has change.

Sausage

I was hoping they merge Japan with Europe, if Europe isnt going to get full Campaigns, Japan isnt going to get alone either, so why not to merge two weaker continent.

Also Ive suggested F2P Cyrodil stand-alone game, if they stealth market it, it should keep Campaigns alive for years to come. So Cyrodil is free, if you want to upgrade to full game, you pay money.

bryanhaas

Iink wrote: »

Some players don't like CP in PVP as it results in certain players having really OP builds, but the majority of players like CP so they go to Trueflame. My problem with Trueflame is that because of CP (as well as animation canceling, and some players using macros) you have builds that are so strong they can kill players in 1-3 attacks, rendering gameplay for a lot of players impossible.


So while those who don't like CP, can stick to Azuras if they don't like CP, there is a serious problem. Azuras population is so low, and major issues occur from this. Mostly the issue is one faction ends up taking over the whole map, and the other factions give up or don't have a population strong enough to even siege a keep. It becomes unplayable.


I don't know what can be done to increase Azuras population. Here are some ideas I came up with:

1. -Maybe merge the EU and NA servers for Azuras? (this is the best of my three ideas)
2. -Maybe restrict nonvets to only entering Blackwater and Azuras (some non-vets don't have CP anyway, so going into TF or Haderus will only hinder them)
3. -Maybe removing Haderus from the campaign list will result in PVP's population being less divided? (I'm sure many who like Haderus will think this is unfair and a bad idea, I don't blame you, but it's the only other thing I can think of to save non-CP PVP. The only difference between Haderus and Trueflame is the duration, so the gameplay will be the same)

If those ideas don't work or sound stupid, fair enough. They were the only solutions I could think of, maybe there are other solutions out there. Either way, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE to fix Azura's population, Blackwater is lagging behind a bit too. Non-CP campaigns need a serious population boost.

The problem is most of us just don't want non cp, you cannot force or nudge people into acting how you want them to. Perhaps the only solution (which probably won't solve anything) is not have a non cp version of all the cp campaigns. So non cp scrolls. non cp keeps, non cp resources.

Iink

Kartalin wrote: »

It'd be nice if OP noted which platform, etc they are talking about. PC/NA if we had a few more EP groups active it'd be a more balanced campaign.

PC: NA server.

I wonder how the console PVP populations are doing

Defilted

The majority of players like playing PVP with CP. Azura's is empty because the majority do not like playing non-CP campaigns. There is nothing you can do IMO to convince people that have earned lots of CP to come to a NON-CP campaign. These forums predicted that Azura's would be dead after TG and they were dead on.

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Recremen

The only way to increase Azura's population is to bring CP back to it. It was a neat idea I'm sure, much like the gated Imperial City campaign was a neat idea, but it doesn't work out at all in practice.

Defilted

I do not think the gated content subject is the same as this conversation.

Gated content for some sort of raid heavy PVE zone(for really awesome gear) if all campaigns were gated would be fine.

Jaronking

Iink wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

It'd be nice if OP noted which platform, etc they are talking about. PC/NA if we had a few more EP groups active it'd be a more balanced campaign.

PC: NA server.

I wonder how the console PVP populations are doing

I play on Xbox NA the server is empty EP doesn't even have it pop locked anymore.

Bdawwg

Ps4 EU azuras is painted red. Very hard to get even one bar of popn for the yellows

phaneub17_ESO

danno8 wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't PvP, and I like Azura for the farming. It's almost devoid of players that I can run around gathering all the Ruby mats I want without getting hassled or running into zergs of players roaming around. I am however missing Plentiful Harvest and Master Gatherer, but it's a trade off for the free range easy pickings without worry of getting steam rolled.

A bit off topic but why would you farm in Cyrodiil for Ruby mats when Wrothgar has about 10x the concentration of crafting nodes? Or do you just not have Orsinium?

I have only the base game, no DLC's. I do this intentionally so that my Crafting writs stop in Craglorn while still having 10/10 in crafts. This also gives me Craglorn Survey's which gives me ample supply of Nirncrux. Rather than relying on a rare chance of getting them, I can get a dozen of each a week and sell those for good money.

Bonzodog01

Iink wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

It'd be nice if OP noted which platform, etc they are talking about. PC/NA if we had a few more EP groups active it'd be a more balanced campaign.

PC: NA server.

I wonder how the console PVP populations are doing

XBox EU - there is ONE guild running the Azura's campaign, and it has about 5-10 people in it. All of its members have characters in each alliance, and it seems they are taking it for different alliances each month and holding it there. Last month it was blue - this month its red, and next month they plan to make it yellow.

Overall, it seems the Xbox EU population is falling fast, even scourge struggles to hit pop lock some nights, and when it does, its for no more than 3 hours. I have personally run around Scourge when its pop locked, and been able to get most of the way across the map without seeing any other players. It actually makes people wonder where the players are.

Most alliance zones are as close to dead as it gets, apart from 3 or 4 of the main cities. I am getting worried to be honest about the state of the XBox EU platform, there are nights when I personally reckon the total population of the entire megaserver has not been more than 1000.

ComboBreaker88

They should have made the 7 day scrolls campaign a no CP point campaign. They pretty much ruined Azuras by doing this. That was a major campaign and now no one even bothers with it. So now there is only 1 30 day. Which is probably why they did it anyways.

Rune_Relic

Truth is you cant pull players out of the air.
Neither can you force players to play in one campaign or another.

Which means the only option is to balance the equation of numbers vs something other than player numbers.
ie.
High Pop * Low power = Low Pop * High Power.

mtwiggz

ZoS listened to everyone whine about CP and gave players a nonCP campaign, which is mostly empty. Proves the point that it was no where near a decent part of the community that wanted it.

Getting rid of Had would make PvP even more of a lagfest nightmare it is now. Had is the majority of people's "escape the lag" campaign as TF is ridiculous during prime time any night of the week. Just logged off myself and was getting 999+ ping at Dragonclaw away from nearly all of the PvP on the map. It's ludacris.

NonCP was a decent idea. End all be all is that with the cost of materials and the like, recrafting for a single purpose campaign is just not in many players best interests. I for one don't have enough gold or mats to craft a set just for AZ NonCP PvP. Especially now that I'm saving everything for the DLC.

The only true way to fix it is to fix the latency issues in Cyrodiil. The influx of players to PvP, if PvP is playable, will fill all of the campaigns.

Smitch_59

I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't PvP. I'm in Azura's specifically because it's deserted. I can explore and do PvE quests generally without being bothered. So I like the fact that there's no one there!

dwtdwtdwt

bikerangelo wrote: »

Azura's was not sold properly by ZOS; they were just answering the complaints of a niche group of players, but after trying it out for about a week they left because they didn't want to spend the time or gold to change their builds. There's still quite a few good players in Azura's, but it will most likely be dead when DB comes out due to the already expensive skills becoming more expensive and the rampant use of poisons.
The one positive that anyone can appreciate from this experiment is the difference in performance due to populations. Azura's is practically lag free through prime time (and there are pretty large fights that occur), while in comparison Haderus and Trueflame feel incredibly sluggish with 3 bar populations. Honestly, some of the best fights I've had in this game were in Azura's, because 1 shot builds don't work as well as they do with CP and people have to manage their resources. The key to winning solely relies on player skill, animation cancelling, and being smart with expensive skills while weaving in heavy attacks to keep your resources up.
ZOS shouldn't have to bribe people to play without CP, nor should they try to corral them into it by removing or merging other campaigns, but I do agree that they should've put more thought into making a no-cp campaign a more attractive option. They literally just deactivated CP without rebalancing the NPC's, siege damage, Imperial City, etc. to accomodate the changes. Incentives like flat increases to AP gains, CP gains, and xp gains will only attract farmers, not pvp'ers. It's difficult to sell the campaign to other players who just don't want to sacrifice their CP or make another set of gear, but for me, Azura's had the incentives I was looking for; no lag, no 1 shot builds, and balanced fights. It's a shame it's not as populated as it should be.

This. This guy said it all. Well done, sir.

The fact is, there is competitive pvp in Azura's, just not a lot of it. Relying on CP has made a lot of players "soft" to the point they don't know what to do without their points. If they can figure it out, I think a lot more would enjoy AZ as a serious campaign where personal skill and the right gear/build setup, not how many hours it took you to grind to 501, matter in pvp.

Epona222

Forcing people to play in Azura's will not help one little bit.

The reason I don't want to play in a no CP campaign is quite simple - I do PvE dungeons with the gear I have and the CP I have, and I can do that OK. If I play in a no CP campaign, I no longer have the sustain that I am built for to do PvE content. I cannot respec my character every time I want to switch between PvE and PvP, so I play on a CP campaign where my PvE build, even if it is not the best for PvP, at least makes sense and keeps me with a shot at being competitive, and makes use of the same resource management that I have in PvE.

If I had to do PvP on a no CP campaign, I would have to redo my build, then it would no longer be good for high end PvE.

SlayerTheDragon

OP you sound like you will be really good at PVE. You should try that rather.

dwtdwtdwt

Epona222 wrote: »

The reason I don't want to play in a no CP campaign is quite simple - I do PvE dungeons with the gear I have and the CP I have, and I can do that OK. If I play in a no CP campaign, I no longer have the sustain that I am built for to do PvE content.

Even a player who prefers pve to pvp content can do well in pvp with a lot of CP because CP helps to have never-ending resources.

Epona222 wrote: »

I cannot respec my character every time I want to switch between PvE and PvP, so I play on a CP campaign where my PvE build, even if it is not the best for PvP, at least makes sense and keeps me with a shot at being competitive, and makes use of the same resource management that I have in PvE.
If I had to do PvP on a no CP campaign, I would have to redo my build, then it would no longer be good for high end PvE.

You don't even have to respec for pvp when you have a lot of CP, because it is just that easy out there in Cyrodiil. I swear, this is what that sounds like: Sure, the other morph is a better option for pvp, but I have enough CP that it doesn't matter. So, what do I care.?.

By the way, with the no-CP campaign, the only difference between regular campaigns is that there is no CP. You might need to add more recovery in your gear, but there is not much more respec'ing going on there.

Duiwel

Iink wrote: »

Duiwel wrote: »

So I only gained CP for PvP. The fact that YOU want the non VR chars and alts to play it is your own opinion good thing you are not in charge though. Some of us don't like it.

Wow way to make this personal.

I'm not the only one who wants non-CP PVP to have a population. If Trueflame was facing a population crisis you would feel the same way that I do.

I can't play TF anymore. Ever since they made AS non CP and everyone migrated to TF the lag makes me crash so I avoid it. I mostly just play EB, but even then sometimes I freeze and crash. I hate the day that AS ( my fav campaign ) became a non CP one. Why didn't they do it to Haderus or something else instead? No one knows

Also didn't mean it as offensive you misunderstood the emphasis on you, I meant it as in it's merely your opinion so don't force others the right of choice. That's all I meant by it. No hard feelings man

binho

People wanted a no CP campaign!

They got Azura which is now empty...

... enjoy and stop complaining:)

Insomnia rex

is Azura being empty a pure NA debate? I have been playing on EU Azura for a month now, and its almost always locked for at least two factions... , I personally think that a non CP campaign is one the best things that happened to PVP, Haderus is my second favourite campaign though

Rune_Relic

Insomnia rex wrote: »

is Azura being empty a pure NA debate? I have been playing on EU Azura for a month now, and its almost always locked for at least two factions... , I personally think that a non CP campaign is one the best things that happened to PVP, Haderus is my second favourite campaign though

Yes

Insomnia rex

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Insomnia rex wrote: »

is Azura being empty a pure NA debate? I have been playing on EU Azura for a month now, and its almost always locked for at least two factions... , I personally think that a non CP campaign is one the best things that happened to PVP, Haderus is my second favourite campaign though

Yes

Then carry on with the discussion.

Does anyone play on EU & NA and knows whether there is a (PVP) cultural difference that might help explain? What is the difference in numbers in player base between EU and NA anyway?

Iink

Tonight both Azuras and Blackwater has dead populations. It's really bummed me out, I really feel like quitting. I played PVP there since launch, can't relive the past anymore.

I loved PVP but without a population, I cannot play it.

Just as many people said in response to this thread, it's not fair to force people to play other campaigns. I'm being forced to play CP campaigns Trueflame and Hades. Even if I put up with CP, I can't lead groups as there are already too many groups, theres even a "LFG" group. Not even that has compensation for me.

Blackwater and Azuras populations are dead, there is nothing PVP has to offer me. I'm not mad at all, just disheartened.

Silver_Strider

I used to play in Azura's even after the removal of CP because it made it a much more balanced playing field. However, when there is at most 12 people in your alliance on the campaign vs a minimal of 50 people from the other 2 alliances each, it becomes extremely difficult to do, especially when none of those 12 people are healers and NPCs are actually a challenge to take down.

Eiagra

Azura's is low population? Hmm... maybe I will join it so I can do questing and finish some dungeons...