Want to know why it seems PvP design and balancing is asinine?

Lava_Croft

This is why, start at 00h55m:

https://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/67585054

khele23eb17_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This is why, start at 00h55m:

https://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/67585054

Is it Wrobel saying locking loot behind absurd RNG is fun and exciting?

Ser Lobo

We won't be able to enjoy a real pass at balance until we get skirmishes. Hopefully not too small, but in the 12v12v12 to 20v20v20 range would be great by me. It can still be counted as a zerg, it's definetely not a solo experience, but if done right it should result in more numerically equal teams in narrower encounters.

GreenSoup2HoT

Ser Lobo wrote: »

We won't be able to enjoy a real pass at balance until we get skirmishes. Hopefully not too small, but in the 12v12v12 to 20v20v20 range would be great by me. It can still be counted as a zerg, it's definetely not a solo experience, but if done right it should result in more numerically equal teams in narrower encounters.

Skirmishes that size won't be fun as long as Vicious Death exist's. All pvp is now is magicka nightblade's griefing group's of player's with soul tether prox det VD combo's.

We all wanted something to help stop Zerg's and Ball Group's. The simple solution would be to get rid of AoE cap's at least in pvp. This would mean small group's if played right could Ultimate bomb and kill off a large amount of player's.

There's no point in strategic play when 1 person can do it yourself and cheese your way though the AP rank's. I for one won't ever use Magicka Detonation or Vicious Death. These two thing's in my opinion are ruining cryodill.

Ser Lobo

Clarify for me: Vicious death explodes when you die, hitting nearby allies, right? What's the range?

And why are we all standing on each other when we die?

dpencil

I'm usually pretty forgiving of devs, assuming that their decisions have the backing of data not accessible to the general player and that they have in depth discussions considering the various ramifications of their decisions. And maybe some of that is true, but I have to admit, even as optimistic as I try to be, Wrobel's responses during ESO live were very unsatisfactory.

- Saying a RNG box system for PVP gear was more "fun and exciting" ...no. Frustrating is the appropriate word.
- Saying that since a poison has a 10% chance that "you need to hit them 10 times to get it to proc" is classic gambler's falacy. No wonder he thinks RNG is a fine idea.
- Talking about Sorcs and never mentioning the constant cries for a spamable dps ability for stam/mag.
- Saying the Surge change puts it on par with other class heals...suggesting a crit tank sorc build?? Really? How in the world is building your gear for crit going to help you be a good tank? How is Surge ever even going to proc when everyone in PVP gets to run shields that can't be crit? How is this not obvious???
- Completely side stepping a direct question "what is your vision for Sorceres?" to just say we want all classes to be able to tank, heal, dps.

I'm just really dissapointed in all of his responses. It doesn't make me feal there were eminently good reasons for the changes. They just...sounded good. *shudder*

KingYogi415

At 1:08:19 kyle gets ganked by a 16k ravege health poison proc.
Is that right?

ParaNostram

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Ser Lobo wrote: »

We won't be able to enjoy a real pass at balance until we get skirmishes. Hopefully not too small, but in the 12v12v12 to 20v20v20 range would be great by me. It can still be counted as a zerg, it's definetely not a solo experience, but if done right it should result in more numerically equal teams in narrower encounters.

Skirmishes that size won't be fun as long as Vicious Death exist's. All pvp is now is magicka nightblade's griefing group's of player's with soul tether prox det VD combo's.

We all wanted something to help stop Zerg's and Ball Group's. The simple solution would be to get rid of AoE cap's at least in pvp. This would mean small group's if played right could Ultimate bomb and kill off a large amount of player's.

There's no point in strategic play when 1 person can do it yourself and cheese your way though the AP rank's. I for one won't ever use Magicka Detonation or Vicious Death. These two thing's in my opinion are ruining cryodill.

If you're still dying to vicious death proxy det BS, you're pvping wrong and do not know how to adapt your play style. Congratulations, players like you who are unable to figure out how to counter things are the reason why absurd nerfs come every DLC

GreenSoup2HoT

ParaNostram wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Ser Lobo wrote: »

We won't be able to enjoy a real pass at balance until we get skirmishes. Hopefully not too small, but in the 12v12v12 to 20v20v20 range would be great by me. It can still be counted as a zerg, it's definetely not a solo experience, but if done right it should result in more numerically equal teams in narrower encounters.

Skirmishes that size won't be fun as long as Vicious Death exist's. All pvp is now is magicka nightblade's griefing group's of player's with soul tether prox det VD combo's.

We all wanted something to help stop Zerg's and Ball Group's. The simple solution would be to get rid of AoE cap's at least in pvp. This would mean small group's if played right could Ultimate bomb and kill off a large amount of player's.

There's no point in strategic play when 1 person can do it yourself and cheese your way though the AP rank's. I for one won't ever use Magicka Detonation or Vicious Death. These two thing's in my opinion are ruining cryodill.

If you're still dying to vicious death proxy det BS, you're pvping wrong and do not know how to adapt your play style. Congratulations, players like you who are unable to figure out how to counter things are the reason why absurd nerfs come every DLC

Just because i'm hating on the combo does not mean i'm dying to it. Don't claim i need to adapt when i for one don't get killed by the combo often. It's all the poor soul's i watch getting killed by it because it's over-performing.

It took month's for Zos to realize Magicka Detonation was over-tuned.. and is just now fixing the scaling in the DB DLC. So players in pvp had to deal with months worth of griefing created by Magicka Det and VD. Have you not seen all the latest mlg montages on youtube lately sponsored by Vicious Death?

Look at the fact's and what pvp has become. It does not take a genius to realize pvp has gone downhill because of magicka det and VD. Thank's for assuming i'm oblivious to VD counter's and how to play. It's player's like me who actually care about the game and want a nice balanced competitive experience.