Why North American truelflame EP, WHY??

Darnathian

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

You know what..........

Maybe it's time to fight the zerg with a zerg........ time for the servers to die!!

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

Yeah no doubt it's creating bad feelings there. It would be interesting to see if it's really driving players out of PvP though. Let's say we zerg trueflame to death and no one but EP plays it anymore. Do those DC players quit or did they just move over to a different server. It wouldn't be too hard for me to pick up my guild and move to another server if that is where the biggest action was. Also I see guilds like Blood and Heart of Daggerfall actively running in TF every night and their numbers are not seeming to shrink. Rather they seem to be growing a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the June campaign in TF be a lot closer. There are plenty of AD guilds that Crispen showcased on his forum post. It seems like they might become more competitive scoring wise too next campaign.

I think TF is dying a slow death as a server. I personally haven't seen it as bad ever as I did last night. From what I could see there were no guilds there. On a Sunday. Prime time. Very, very strange. And you can threaten to follow but good luck getting into Haderus with your Zerg. You all won't get in. 80% of you will sit in a queue all night.

Telel was there during their normal time, as was their pack. However as usual there were no other groups running that wanted or were capable of going on the offensive. This leadership deficit has been an issue for the faction for some time now.

This left a single PUG of 12-16 plus a few smaller groups or soloers to go up against a couple dozen pacters backed by their emperor. That's around thirty or so people all told to take on an Emperor group, and the natural herd behavior of PVPers.

Oh, and did khajiit mention the 2 bars of pop vs the pop locked faction? Two bars of pop vs, a pop locked faction with a large emperor group and the only large AD offensive group is a makeshift PUG led by a very unskilled khajiit.

Needless to say this one could do little more than try to hold the line until some other groups came in later that night and brought some pain up past BRK.

But as soon as they go to bed our meager 1-2 bars of population simply can't do much to a faction that's so intent on avoiding Haderus they somehow manage to keep their population locked for the majority of the day.

I could say the same of the 60-70 AD zerg who chased me all the way from Brk wall mine side to Farragut last friday on Haderus. When they finally killed me near the Farra LM, my friend in TS said, "well I guess they were going to siege Farragut. Oh wait, they are turning back toward Brk". Yes, they followed me for 5mins with 60-70 to kill one player.

AD has been hiding on Haderus since release. Before I guess they had a reason. Pve-ers wanted their pve buffs to reach high score on the leaderboard and be competitive. Why do we still find hordes of AD on Haderus today instead of going to Trueflame? Probably because nobody wanna deal with the latency on Trueflame. But in the end, it's gotta be a fair trade. Some EP and DC guilds gotta go to Haderus and a large portion of AD gotta go to Trueflame.

As Khajiit and their 100+ person guild left Haderus, and dove back into the failstorm that is trueflame specifically because of requests from DC players this one humbly requests you redirect your complaints to someone on the red side of the servers.

This one will also now point you to the Haderus centric thread wherein they provided a simple five step plan for those EP players who are actually after 'difficult but worthwhile fights' or 'balancing out these population imbalances'.

Now Telel would never suggest that such a task is not being done because it is easier to sit around being a vampire-elf-bard than it is to round up people who can do more than spam the red ring of wom-wom-wom. However this one also can not say that someone is in fact trying to get a new guar instead of wondering why their current one won't move no matter how many times they hit in in the head with a hammer.

I've not complained anywhere in my post. I simply encouraged DC and EP to home Haderus and AD to home Trueflame. I think you are being a bit defensive.

If you are so interested in balance and want more EP to home Had..... why do we see you in TF?

Curious indeed!

Because he is the most famous ESO player at DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO.

PhatGrimReaper

Darnathian wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

You know what..........

Maybe it's time to fight the zerg with a zerg........ time for the servers to die!!

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

Yeah no doubt it's creating bad feelings there. It would be interesting to see if it's really driving players out of PvP though. Let's say we zerg trueflame to death and no one but EP plays it anymore. Do those DC players quit or did they just move over to a different server. It wouldn't be too hard for me to pick up my guild and move to another server if that is where the biggest action was. Also I see guilds like Blood and Heart of Daggerfall actively running in TF every night and their numbers are not seeming to shrink. Rather they seem to be growing a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the June campaign in TF be a lot closer. There are plenty of AD guilds that Crispen showcased on his forum post. It seems like they might become more competitive scoring wise too next campaign.

I think TF is dying a slow death as a server. I personally haven't seen it as bad ever as I did last night. From what I could see there were no guilds there. On a Sunday. Prime time. Very, very strange. And you can threaten to follow but good luck getting into Haderus with your Zerg. You all won't get in. 80% of you will sit in a queue all night.

Telel was there during their normal time, as was their pack. However as usual there were no other groups running that wanted or were capable of going on the offensive. This leadership deficit has been an issue for the faction for some time now.

This left a single PUG of 12-16 plus a few smaller groups or soloers to go up against a couple dozen pacters backed by their emperor. That's around thirty or so people all told to take on an Emperor group, and the natural herd behavior of PVPers.

Oh, and did khajiit mention the 2 bars of pop vs the pop locked faction? Two bars of pop vs, a pop locked faction with a large emperor group and the only large AD offensive group is a makeshift PUG led by a very unskilled khajiit.

Needless to say this one could do little more than try to hold the line until some other groups came in later that night and brought some pain up past BRK.

But as soon as they go to bed our meager 1-2 bars of population simply can't do much to a faction that's so intent on avoiding Haderus they somehow manage to keep their population locked for the majority of the day.

I could say the same of the 60-70 AD zerg who chased me all the way from Brk wall mine side to Farragut last friday on Haderus. When they finally killed me near the Farra LM, my friend in TS said, "well I guess they were going to siege Farragut. Oh wait, they are turning back toward Brk". Yes, they followed me for 5mins with 60-70 to kill one player.

AD has been hiding on Haderus since release. Before I guess they had a reason. Pve-ers wanted their pve buffs to reach high score on the leaderboard and be competitive. Why do we still find hordes of AD on Haderus today instead of going to Trueflame? Probably because nobody wanna deal with the latency on Trueflame. But in the end, it's gotta be a fair trade. Some EP and DC guilds gotta go to Haderus and a large portion of AD gotta go to Trueflame.

As Khajiit and their 100+ person guild left Haderus, and dove back into the failstorm that is trueflame specifically because of requests from DC players this one humbly requests you redirect your complaints to someone on the red side of the servers.

This one will also now point you to the Haderus centric thread wherein they provided a simple five step plan for those EP players who are actually after 'difficult but worthwhile fights' or 'balancing out these population imbalances'.

Now Telel would never suggest that such a task is not being done because it is easier to sit around being a vampire-elf-bard than it is to round up people who can do more than spam the red ring of wom-wom-wom. However this one also can not say that someone is in fact trying to get a new guar instead of wondering why their current one won't move no matter how many times they hit in in the head with a hammer.

I've not complained anywhere in my post. I simply encouraged DC and EP to home Haderus and AD to home Trueflame. I think you are being a bit defensive.

If you are so interested in balance and want more EP to home Had..... why do we see you in TF?

Curious indeed!

Because he is the most famous ESO player at DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO.

Ah!... I knew there had to be a good reason!

maxjapank

frozywozy wrote: »

Yeah this is really sad that people hate sieging that much...I like sieging and capturing keeps. It is part of the overall strategy to win a campaign. Hopefuly we keep enough players with the same mentality who don't play this game only for straight killing.

Don't know why you would think another persons likes and dislikes are sad. Everyone paid to play how they want. I still like sieging and capturing keeps, too. I'm usually the one who is running 3 stone trebs by myself. But there's not much you can do with the Oceanic player base. We are lucky to hit 2 bars.

Last night we attempted to dethrone since yellow had Roe and Alessia. So we took Aleswell with little resistance. Took Chal with a pretty sizeable resistance. But when you have that one last keep to get, you know every single Red player is going to be there. And our group of 10-14 against double our numbers at some points just makes it kinda pointless. So we do what we usually do...smash reds until they overwhelm us in numbers...and then do it all over again. We have fun. And they seem like they are having fun, too. In the end, that's why we show up day after day. To have fun, right?

Makkir

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

God_flakes

I can't believe that after 2 long years, the children who play EP still require this lecture, Makkir. Smh.

Chori

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

frozywozy

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

You know what..........

Maybe it's time to fight the zerg with a zerg........ time for the servers to die!!

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

Yeah no doubt it's creating bad feelings there. It would be interesting to see if it's really driving players out of PvP though. Let's say we zerg trueflame to death and no one but EP plays it anymore. Do those DC players quit or did they just move over to a different server. It wouldn't be too hard for me to pick up my guild and move to another server if that is where the biggest action was. Also I see guilds like Blood and Heart of Daggerfall actively running in TF every night and their numbers are not seeming to shrink. Rather they seem to be growing a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the June campaign in TF be a lot closer. There are plenty of AD guilds that Crispen showcased on his forum post. It seems like they might become more competitive scoring wise too next campaign.

I think TF is dying a slow death as a server. I personally haven't seen it as bad ever as I did last night. From what I could see there were no guilds there. On a Sunday. Prime time. Very, very strange. And you can threaten to follow but good luck getting into Haderus with your Zerg. You all won't get in. 80% of you will sit in a queue all night.

Telel was there during their normal time, as was their pack. However as usual there were no other groups running that wanted or were capable of going on the offensive. This leadership deficit has been an issue for the faction for some time now.

This left a single PUG of 12-16 plus a few smaller groups or soloers to go up against a couple dozen pacters backed by their emperor. That's around thirty or so people all told to take on an Emperor group, and the natural herd behavior of PVPers.

Oh, and did khajiit mention the 2 bars of pop vs the pop locked faction? Two bars of pop vs, a pop locked faction with a large emperor group and the only large AD offensive group is a makeshift PUG led by a very unskilled khajiit.

Needless to say this one could do little more than try to hold the line until some other groups came in later that night and brought some pain up past BRK.

But as soon as they go to bed our meager 1-2 bars of population simply can't do much to a faction that's so intent on avoiding Haderus they somehow manage to keep their population locked for the majority of the day.

I could say the same of the 60-70 AD zerg who chased me all the way from Brk wall mine side to Farragut last friday on Haderus. When they finally killed me near the Farra LM, my friend in TS said, "well I guess they were going to siege Farragut. Oh wait, they are turning back toward Brk". Yes, they followed me for 5mins with 60-70 to kill one player.

AD has been hiding on Haderus since release. Before I guess they had a reason. Pve-ers wanted their pve buffs to reach high score on the leaderboard and be competitive. Why do we still find hordes of AD on Haderus today instead of going to Trueflame? Probably because nobody wanna deal with the latency on Trueflame. But in the end, it's gotta be a fair trade. Some EP and DC guilds gotta go to Haderus and a large portion of AD gotta go to Trueflame.

As Khajiit and their 100+ person guild left Haderus, and dove back into the failstorm that is trueflame specifically because of requests from DC players this one humbly requests you redirect your complaints to someone on the red side of the servers.

This one will also now point you to the Haderus centric thread wherein they provided a simple five step plan for those EP players who are actually after 'difficult but worthwhile fights' or 'balancing out these population imbalances'.

Now Telel would never suggest that such a task is not being done because it is easier to sit around being a vampire-elf-bard than it is to round up people who can do more than spam the red ring of wom-wom-wom. However this one also can not say that someone is in fact trying to get a new guar instead of wondering why their current one won't move no matter how many times they hit in in the head with a hammer.

I've not complained anywhere in my post. I simply encouraged DC and EP to home Haderus and AD to home Trueflame. I think you are being a bit defensive.

If you are so interested in balance and want more EP to home Had..... why do we see you in TF?

Curious indeed!

I have been on Haderus the past 2weeks at primetime. I play on Trueflame when Haderus has nothing at all to offer. Good chances I'll also home there when the Trueflame cycle is over. Yes I do efforts and I put my words into actions unlike some people here who just complain without even trying to make it better themselves.

DC is near to non existant on Haderus. If we want to make two healthy and competitve campaigns, DC will have to do an effort and unstack from Trueflame. It doesn't matter even if CN doesn't play anymore. DC still have two major 24men groups guilds. One faction should never have multiple 24men ballgroup guilds running. This is what causes latency issues on the server.

Every campaign should have one 24men or 2 16men elite groups followed by smaller groups for each faction. Otherwise the server doesn't register everything in time. DC has still plenty of players during primetime. They need players during the day. Like we've discussed multiple times in other threads.

This is a group effort if we want to make 2 healthy campaigns. The responsability is not only of EP to switch. EP needs to switch 1 or 2 major guilds to Haderus. DC needs to send a whole primetime guild to Haderus and AD also needs to switch 2-3 guilds to Trueflame to balance things out.

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Yep this is what I've been repeating for years to people who play in 24men ballgroups and who lag the server to death.

Telel

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

You know what..........

Maybe it's time to fight the zerg with a zerg........ time for the servers to die!!

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

Yeah no doubt it's creating bad feelings there. It would be interesting to see if it's really driving players out of PvP though. Let's say we zerg trueflame to death and no one but EP plays it anymore. Do those DC players quit or did they just move over to a different server. It wouldn't be too hard for me to pick up my guild and move to another server if that is where the biggest action was. Also I see guilds like Blood and Heart of Daggerfall actively running in TF every night and their numbers are not seeming to shrink. Rather they seem to be growing a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the June campaign in TF be a lot closer. There are plenty of AD guilds that Crispen showcased on his forum post. It seems like they might become more competitive scoring wise too next campaign.

I think TF is dying a slow death as a server. I personally haven't seen it as bad ever as I did last night. From what I could see there were no guilds there. On a Sunday. Prime time. Very, very strange. And you can threaten to follow but good luck getting into Haderus with your Zerg. You all won't get in. 80% of you will sit in a queue all night.

Telel was there during their normal time, as was their pack. However as usual there were no other groups running that wanted or were capable of going on the offensive. This leadership deficit has been an issue for the faction for some time now.

This left a single PUG of 12-16 plus a few smaller groups or soloers to go up against a couple dozen pacters backed by their emperor. That's around thirty or so people all told to take on an Emperor group, and the natural herd behavior of PVPers.

Oh, and did khajiit mention the 2 bars of pop vs the pop locked faction? Two bars of pop vs, a pop locked faction with a large emperor group and the only large AD offensive group is a makeshift PUG led by a very unskilled khajiit.

Needless to say this one could do little more than try to hold the line until some other groups came in later that night and brought some pain up past BRK.

But as soon as they go to bed our meager 1-2 bars of population simply can't do much to a faction that's so intent on avoiding Haderus they somehow manage to keep their population locked for the majority of the day.

I could say the same of the 60-70 AD zerg who chased me all the way from Brk wall mine side to Farragut last friday on Haderus. When they finally killed me near the Farra LM, my friend in TS said, "well I guess they were going to siege Farragut. Oh wait, they are turning back toward Brk". Yes, they followed me for 5mins with 60-70 to kill one player.

AD has been hiding on Haderus since release. Before I guess they had a reason. Pve-ers wanted their pve buffs to reach high score on the leaderboard and be competitive. Why do we still find hordes of AD on Haderus today instead of going to Trueflame? Probably because nobody wanna deal with the latency on Trueflame. But in the end, it's gotta be a fair trade. Some EP and DC guilds gotta go to Haderus and a large portion of AD gotta go to Trueflame.

As Khajiit and their 100+ person guild left Haderus, and dove back into the failstorm that is trueflame specifically because of requests from DC players this one humbly requests you redirect your complaints to someone on the red side of the servers.

This one will also now point you to the Haderus centric thread wherein they provided a simple five step plan for those EP players who are actually after 'difficult but worthwhile fights' or 'balancing out these population imbalances'.

Now Telel would never suggest that such a task is not being done because it is easier to sit around being a vampire-elf-bard than it is to round up people who can do more than spam the red ring of wom-wom-wom. However this one also can not say that someone is in fact trying to get a new guar instead of wondering why their current one won't move no matter how many times they hit in in the head with a hammer.

I've not complained anywhere in my post. I simply encouraged DC and EP to home Haderus and AD to home Trueflame. I think you are being a bit defensive.

Khajiit seems to find people smile more when this one is doing their best to not be offensive.

Unless they're AP farming baddies. Then they seem most content to see this one's repeated failures on that particular subject.

Makkir

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

You are high as a kite. If the minimart down the street doesn't have a security camera so I guess that makes it right to steal? If there is a flaw in the design then don't you feel somewhat responsible as a community to self-police for the sake of the game population and health? You realize a bulk of Guard just left Trueflame because of your absurdity?

Your faction has earned the street name Ebonheart Bads. Seriously. Break your zergs up and you guys become paper towels, AP fodder.

This morning, I spent an hour down near Faregyl (Aelinir was down there too) and we managed a group of like 15-20 EP on our own. I consistently had EP bads eating my frags, mines, and meteors as they tunnel chased me around that general area (from Nickel gate down towards Faregyl). There were larger EP groups up monkeying around Glade that I avoided, but this is just to prove a point about how bad EP is on average. That topped with the fact I am not the best sorc NA only shows how bad you are when you are not steamrolling around in unmanageable sizes. But like you said, don't blame the game blame ZOS. ZOS in charge of the game much like you are in charge of your raids, right? So I guess we can blame the EP-Bads on the raid leads like yourself? You teach them to mindlessly zerg in enormous groups so when they get singled out in small groups they become nothing but AP for players like me.

Hah, just wait until battlegrounds roll out and you have to queue into 10v10 matches. You EP won't know what to do with yourselves.

Makkir

@Chori I ran with Daniel in CN for 2 TF cycles. There was a point when our score advantage was pretty much "throw in the towel" for the other factions and at that point we would jump into a different campaign and stop pushing home keeps. I was a huge advocate for this behavior and I can recall several nights of this being discussed in Teamspeak and guild chat. I know the CN hate on these forums all too well, and for some reason defending a last Emp keep seems to be a popular example of CN mega zergs but anyway.

allen-iverson

Frozn is the funniest poster on the forums and he doesn't even know it. that boy smokes Thee Loudest Rocks in all of tamriel

Telel

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Chori

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Thanks for the laugh telel, I don't know you neither I am calling you out or mentioning your name. to each their own man. people in this thread know what they do and what they don't do.

If you are not part of the hypocrite group in this thread then respect to you.

cheers

Telel

Khajiit is as humble and understanding as they are wise and grumpy.

Daveheart

So, as for DC "killing the server" when we were on top, I generally like to think that we did a good job of showing at least a little restraint. There were a couple times when we went so far as to hold a faction to a zero point gain for a scoring cycle or two to counteract a strong nightcap; however, for the most part we'd push for a scroll or both from each faction and pull back out of the tri-keeps.

One example comes to mind of the imbalance in the thinking between factions. It was toward the last week or two before the Thieves Guild update released with the removal of CP from the Azura's Star campaign when it was still the primary server. DC pushed for and got emp on a Saturday night (US time). After many logged for the night, the emp stayed up and pushed for EP scrolls. They got one and tried for the other for quite a while. The next night (Sunday) when a couple major DC guilds have their night off, EP proceeded to cap the ring and then take both DC scrolls. At that point they proceeded to stick around near Southern Highrock and siege the exits from the safe zone with multiple raids. All the gate keeps were readily defended against what appeared to be a 100% unorganized DC presence. Take it for what you will, but in my mind there's a distinct difference between taking scrolls the pulling back and sieging another faction's home base.

Rohamad_Ali

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

maxjapank

Chori wrote: »

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past...

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen...

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite... you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility...and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.

I don't think people have selective memory. Noone is denying that there was a time when AD dominated, a time when EP was king, a time when DC was top dog, too. But I don't buy into this thinking of "Well..you were doing this same thing, so shut up and suffer now." That kind of thinking and calling people hypocrites does nothing to foster a community. And that's what we are - a community, whether you like the people in it or not.

This discussion is good for the community. And talking about sportsmanship and how to maintain a healthy game is exactly what a gaming community should do.

Chori

maxjapank wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past...

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen...

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite... you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility...and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.

I don't think people have selective memory. Noone is denying that there was a time when AD dominated, a time when EP was king, a time when DC was top dog, too. But I don't buy into this thinking of "Well..you were doing this same thing, so shut up and suffer now." That kind of thinking and calling people hypocrites does nothing to foster a community. And that's what we are - a community, whether you like the people in it or not.

This discussion is good for the community. And talking about sportsmanship and how to maintain a healthy game is exactly what a gaming community should do.

Neither do I, stacking raids and pushing to gate scrolls on a dead map is horrible. The discussion is pointless from the point of view of WHO are the people holding the discussion. Have you seen the names and the guilds brought up here? Do you think this is the first time and the last time this will be discussed? You cannot foster a community just on the forums when people don't even admit their mistakes and chin down - re think what they have done this whole time in terms of "pvp killing time". Not even half the players post here and the ones that post (several people in this thread) select to remember what their ego tells them to. That way they will never be wrong and the discussion is still by all means, pointless.

Sorry to burst your bubble man, but this has been going since beginning of PvP and even by the same people. You cannot foster something new going from that base spot. New PVP bloood will also follow them too whether you like it or not because thats how masses behave.

There is a lot of people in this cummonity I like and a lot a dislike, that doesn't keep me from agreeing or disagreeing with them being as I said on previous posts, hypocrytes.

Telel

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Rohamad_Ali

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

Satiar

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

Rohamad_Ali

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

Satiar

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

Rohamad_Ali

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Satiar

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Did you miss the parts of the thread where I outlined how at this stage of the game, there simply aren't a lot of competitive guilds LEFT to counter this sort of thing?

What am I supposed to do, hire an Aussie guild?

Rohamad_Ali

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Did you miss the parts of the thread where I outlined how at this stage of the game, there simply aren't a lot of competitive guilds LEFT to counter this sort of thing?

What am I supposed to do, hire an Aussie guild?

I'm still confused where this whole situation is some how yours to handle . I've been saying DC not VE .

Rohamad_Ali

No wonder why you guys get stressed and need days off . smh

Satiar

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Did you miss the parts of the thread where I outlined how at this stage of the game, there simply aren't a lot of competitive guilds LEFT to counter this sort of thing?

What am I supposed to do, hire an Aussie guild?

I'm still confused where this whole situation is some how yours to handle . I've been saying DC not VE .

Im confused how you expect the nebulous entity of "DC" to somehow handle it. Should the faction come together and hire the unemployed in far-off timezones to buy the game, get good and hold the map at night?

Rohamad_Ali

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Did you miss the parts of the thread where I outlined how at this stage of the game, there simply aren't a lot of competitive guilds LEFT to counter this sort of thing?

What am I supposed to do, hire an Aussie guild?

I'm still confused where this whole situation is some how yours to handle . I've been saying DC not VE .

Im confused how you expect the nebulous entity of "DC" to somehow handle it. Should the faction come together and hire the unemployed in far-off timezones to buy the game, get good and hold the map at night?

Then keep stressing man . Let me know how that works out .

Satiar

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Did you miss the parts of the thread where I outlined how at this stage of the game, there simply aren't a lot of competitive guilds LEFT to counter this sort of thing?

What am I supposed to do, hire an Aussie guild?

I'm still confused where this whole situation is some how yours to handle . I've been saying DC not VE .

Im confused how you expect the nebulous entity of "DC" to somehow handle it. Should the faction come together and hire the unemployed in far-off timezones to buy the game, get good and hold the map at night?

Then keep stressing man . Let me know how that works out .

I'll take useful suggestions. Less than useful suggestions like "work it out" or "handle it" help nothing and legitimize the people making this happen with anti-competitive play.