Why North American truelflame EP, WHY??

NACtron

Zheg wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

So Nikolai admits he encourages his players to win at pvp by mostly pveing mostly undefended keeps. Hey, at least you're not lying. But you realize it's not an accomplishment to capture a scroll or a keep that you literally just had to clear NPC's for?

Eh, whatever. AD did this same thing at release, DC did this on their buff servers, and EP did this post-DiE exodus. Just realize that night capping is cancerous and your "wins" from them are hollow.

I don't think EP is winning purely because of night capping. My casual players past primetime may take undefended/low pop defended keeps but if I DC can't handle 1 raid past primetime it's kind of sad. Where are the other DC players/guilds?

Can confirm. When you get dethroned and pushed back to tri-keeps or beyond as soon as primetime rolls around, and you are thousands and thousands of points ahead, clearly it's not your primetime presence that's putting you there.

Yeah that was during the first couple weeks of this camp. There was some internal politics that kept certain guilds from helping the current EP Emp hold it. EP is stronger place now and while sometimes primetime still goes south we are doing a lot better.

Satiar

NACtron wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

So Nikolai admits he encourages his players to win at pvp by mostly pveing mostly undefended keeps. Hey, at least you're not lying. But you realize it's not an accomplishment to capture a scroll or a keep that you literally just had to clear NPC's for?

Eh, whatever. AD did this same thing at release, DC did this on their buff servers, and EP did this post-DiE exodus. Just realize that night capping is cancerous and your "wins" from them are hollow.

I don't think EP is winning purely because of night capping. My casual players past primetime may take undefended/low pop defended keeps but if I DC can't handle 1 raid past primetime it's kind of sad. Where are the other DC players/guilds?

Can confirm. When you get dethroned and pushed back to tri-keeps or beyond as soon as primetime rolls around, and you are thousands and thousands of points ahead, clearly it's not your primetime presence that's putting you there.

Yeah that was during the first couple weeks of this camp. There was some internal politics that kept certain guilds from helping the current EP Emp hold it. EP is stronger place now and while sometimes primetime still goes south we are doing a lot better.

More like most of us realized we can't keep up with nightcapped points, so i'm not going to put my guys through hellish lag fests to get meaningless map points. There are exactly two occasions this entire campaign I've pushed to dethrone and not gotten it. These last two campaigns I think I've dethroned more EP emps than almost the rest of our time on DC combined

RinaldoGandolphi

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

NACtron

Satiar wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

So Nikolai admits he encourages his players to win at pvp by mostly pveing mostly undefended keeps. Hey, at least you're not lying. But you realize it's not an accomplishment to capture a scroll or a keep that you literally just had to clear NPC's for?

Eh, whatever. AD did this same thing at release, DC did this on their buff servers, and EP did this post-DiE exodus. Just realize that night capping is cancerous and your "wins" from them are hollow.

I don't think EP is winning purely because of night capping. My casual players past primetime may take undefended/low pop defended keeps but if I DC can't handle 1 raid past primetime it's kind of sad. Where are the other DC players/guilds?

Can confirm. When you get dethroned and pushed back to tri-keeps or beyond as soon as primetime rolls around, and you are thousands and thousands of points ahead, clearly it's not your primetime presence that's putting you there.

Yeah that was during the first couple weeks of this camp. There was some internal politics that kept certain guilds from helping the current EP Emp hold it. EP is stronger place now and while sometimes primetime still goes south we are doing a lot better.

More like most of us realized we can't keep up with nightcapped points, so i'm not going to put my guys through hellish lag fests to get meaningless map points. There are exactly two occasions this entire campaign I've pushed to dethrone and not gotten it. These last two campaigns I think I've dethroned more EP emps than almost the rest of our time on DC combined

EP has had emp for the last 3 days now. I know VE isn't here but the faction has been doing fine for itself.

Minno

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Yup. Switched my home to Haderus once the cycle ends. Brutal ending.

NACtron

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

Rohamad_Ali

Doesn't matter . PvP will be all but dead until the new DLC is attacked , figured out or decided to be the camels broken back with poisons . DC will either evolve and become stronger or diminish even further . It's not anyone's fault . Blame EP , Blame AD , blame those you followed or take responsibility . Own your mistakes is my suggestion . Several were made the last two campaigns .

Allowing another pug whisperer with no experience to build up momentum was a big boo boo DC . Should of closed that crap down fast and started giving direction instead of the same old attitudes .

Getting behind some of the same people that have mislead you before is another .

I did my part by staying out of it and mainly being on Azura . As requested . Maybe hitting the same wall twice will help everyone remember what not to do next time . Who knows . But passing the buck for dropping the ball ... Pff . Wake up .

maxjapank

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

Pact Militia isn't much of a concern during Oceanic time. But combined with another EP guild, Red just simply outnumbers both blue and yellow.....by a lot. We also tend to log into the game just after EP throned an Emp, usually two hours before we get on. Regardless, we still enjoy fighting and will continue to fight.

I don't think you are killing the server. But I think you underestimate the influence you could have. Sure Zos could make some changes. (I, for one, would love to see dethroning an Emp come from capping 5 of 6 keeps instead of all 6. It would spread fights over two keeps rather than just one.) But guilds still have a responsibility to encourage a healthy campaign. I know you cannot control everyone. But alot of people seem to follow you and listen to you.

Just an aside...but one leader I know often says...when we see a lone enemy nearby, "Just leave him alone. You know how you feel when an big group zergs you down." And I respect that mentality greatly. Of course, the leader also says, "But if he attacks us, then kill him." See...a pug group would just zerg that one person down relentlessly. But having a leader say not to and give a reason why...makes a difference. So don't underestimate the influence you have in cultivating sportsmanship in your pvp ranks.

allen-iverson

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

Lore_lai

allen-iverson wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

Just wanna say - this part (in bold, emphasis mine) - pure awesome!

_Chaos

Lore_lai wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

Just wanna say - this part (in bold, emphasis mine) - pure awesome!

That's my husband you're kissing.

allen-iverson

_Chaos wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

Just wanna say - this part (in bold, emphasis mine) - pure awesome!

That's my husband you're kissing.

it's okay boo. I don't pay these groupies no mind

allen-iverson

Lore_lai wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

Just wanna say - this part (in bold, emphasis mine) - pure awesome!

*slips lore-lai a slip of paper with my @name into their shirt pocket and winks*

Lore_lai

allen-iverson wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

Just wanna say - this part (in bold, emphasis mine) - pure awesome!

That's my husband you're kissing.

it's okay boo. I don't pay these groupies no mind

Nuh-huh. I only like /Templarlute players. Sowwy!

Lore_lai

allen-iverson wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

Just wanna say - this part (in bold, emphasis mine) - pure awesome!

*slips lore-lai a slip of paper with my @name into their shirt pocket and winks*

How dare ye, SIR??! *pretends to drop the paper but quickly slips it into her other pocket*

NACtron

allen-iverson wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

yup it's a waste of time to bother it's just like thornblade EP is killing TF the same way they killed Thornblade.

Not much else to say

Cycles happen naturally. The way I see it the game naturally encourages players to do what many consider to be campaign breaking activities. The campaign encourages; Scroll runs, farming, night capping, day capping, zergs etc etc. I think a dying campaign is not the responsibility of any guild. rather ZoS for it's design of the campaigns.

I don't think any one guild can kill a server. If the other factions cannot handle one Pact Militia raid at night and way less then that in the day that is because of dying or not fully developed communities in those factions not the EP who are just playing the game.

We all know you run multiple full groups nicky baby. Your own members have posted videos of you running 3 stacked raids on this very forum showing what good fun it is to have quantity over quality.

We run multiple raids at primetime. We have been very open about this. However our raid(s) usually get cut down to one or less shortly after most the competition logs off.

_Chaos

*acts like he didn't see anything and starts walking away casually*
*runs back and BERTUZZI's Lore Lai*
W hore!
*turns to allen*
You're a fake and a phony and I wish I never laid my eyes on you!

Lore_lai

HA! BoL spam mode engaged!
*meanwhile applauds allen's ability to draw attention from him while he calls Nick "baby"* nudges @_Chaos

forzajuve212

Currently 12pm EST and EP have a high pop in TF and put together a 50 man zerg to take alessia from 10 AD.... lol. This is pathetic.

EDIT:

And EP have emp for almost 5 days.... this camp is gonna be Haderus AD 2.0 very soon if it keeps up.

God_flakes

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Currently 12pm EST and EP have a high pop in TF and put together a 50 man zerg to take alessia from 10 AD.... lol

EP has the most players on house arrest and/or unemployed, confirmed.

Minno

God_flakes wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Currently 12pm EST and EP have a high pop in TF and put together a 50 man zerg to take alessia from 10 AD.... lol

EP has the most players on house arrest and/or unemployed, confirmed.

Confirmed: my taxes, in one form or another, are paying for EP's dominance in TF.

Wing

almost 1pm EST, EP is three bar vs one bar AD/DC

they control most of the map, have all the scrolls, and have up to fare AD, and an open gate on DC

Rohamad_Ali

LOL ! I wish Astien was in here ...

zyk

Wing wrote: »

almost 1pm EST, EP is three bar vs one bar AD/DC

they control most of the map, have all the scrolls, and have up to fare AD, and an open gate on DC

If 1.6 TB is any indication, EP will let this drag out for months as long as there are some players feeding them. It is truly the bad sport faction.

At least Haderus has a history of being an AD PVE refuge. Most of the best EP PVP players are on TF. Pathetic.

I think it's wrong to blame PM. They may have numbers but would be farm bait without the experienced EP who play on TF. They are the primary beneficiaries of the dirty work PM does.

RinaldoGandolphi

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Currently 12pm EST and EP have a high pop in TF and put together a 50 man zerg to take alessia from 10 AD.... lol. This is pathetic.

EDIT:

And EP have emp for almost 5 days.... this camp is gonna be Haderus AD 2.0 very soon if it keeps up.

Yeah it's pretty shameful at this point.

It hasn't really been a campaign this cycle at all, EP has such a stupid numbers advantage there is no way to win anyways they will just daycap/nightcap when everyone is either at work or sleeping they will Zerg everything 50 deep.

This has been going on for quite sometime, nothing new par for the course sadly

God_flakes

Wing wrote: »

almost 1pm EST, EP is three bar vs one bar AD/DC

they control most of the map, have all the scrolls, and have up to fare AD, and an open gate on DC

But, but, but EP just gotta get dem op kills on npc's, dangit!!!!!

RinaldoGandolphi

Minno wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Currently 12pm EST and EP have a high pop in TF and put together a 50 man zerg to take alessia from 10 AD.... lol

EP has the most players on house arrest and/or unemployed, confirmed.

Confirmed: my taxes, in one form or another, are paying for EP's dominance in TF.

LOL!!!! @Minno its sad how true this statement probably is LOL

Wing

now AD is gated too

V3ntoux

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Currently 12pm EST and EP have a high pop in TF and put together a 50 man zerg to take alessia from 10 AD.... lol. This is pathetic.

EDIT:

And EP have emp for almost 5 days.... this camp is gonna be Haderus AD 2.0 very soon if it keeps up.

Yeah it's pretty shameful at this point.

It hasn't really been a campaign this cycle at all, EP has such a stupid numbers advantage there is no way to win anyways they will just daycap/nightcap when everyone is either at work or sleeping they will Zerg everything 50 deep.

This has been going on for quite sometime, nothing new par for the course sadly

And EP most likely thinks they are "Winning" You may see a small 5 man EP group trying to prep/flag a keep - but they are easy meat for any 2 half decent players to roll. Therefore - EP groups of 30+ has been the norm this time of day. 10AM PST

Rohamad_Ali

Wing wrote: »

now AD is gated too

Why don't you guys transform into Green Voltron Force an go have some fun , it's almost over anyways .

I'm busy picking flowers for these stupid potions were stuck with . An Alkaid gets grumpy if we ain't in the field picking before a new DLC that's gonna force him to be Dr Jeckle the first two weeks .