Why North American truelflame EP, WHY??

frozywozy

manny254 wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Several points:

2) Pact Militia has been getting better where as VE was already fairly strong (if anything you've gotten weaker due to the lack of adaptability in your playstyle related to the TG changes). I have no problem recognizing that you used to be able to wipe us pretty much every time we met, but that is not the case anymore, and is also something that is not reflected in your kill counter / codex stats.

4) I don't really have any sympathy for those who whine about the times that people play. First off, the 2am that was being discussed at the beginning of all of this is based on Central Time. Pacific Time that is only midnight on a Friday. Discounting the Oceanic players entirely, there are 4 time zones in the Continental US and an additional 2.5 if you include all of North America. Secondly, just for a comparison, Chalman is usually already gone by the time Pact Militia can get our raids started each night, but we don't need to *** about it because we are good enough to ***ing deal with it.

5) Yes, we do have a diverse player base. We put in the work required to take in new players and help them get better. If the Elite guilds don't want to do that, that is their own loss.

2) Outnumbering your opponent is not a f** play style. I am not a huge fan of VE, but most of EP is delusional. Fight them with even numbers and see how the fight turns out. Hell fight them 12 v 24, and see how it turns out.

4) I don't think it is a matter of time zones, but fighting against relatively tiny resistance. I regularly see poplocked EP fighting 2 bars AD/DC. If you think this is ok there is something wrong with you.

5) You are hurting your players long term. They will never improve in this environment, and they are mislead into believing they are competitive.

I've been saying this to Nikolai for months now. It's fine coming from you Mojican but when it comes from VE members who relied on 24+ stacking with other DC guilds (not on purpose but still did) for months not a long time ago and who are now asking Nik to stop zerging.. it's pretty ironic. lol

Zheg

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Several points:

2) Pact Militia has been getting better where as VE was already fairly strong (if anything you've gotten weaker due to the lack of adaptability in your playstyle related to the TG changes). I have no problem recognizing that you used to be able to wipe us pretty much every time we met, but that is not the case anymore, and is also something that is not reflected in your kill counter / codex stats.

4) I don't really have any sympathy for those who whine about the times that people play. First off, the 2am that was being discussed at the beginning of all of this is based on Central Time. Pacific Time that is only midnight on a Friday. Discounting the Oceanic players entirely, there are 4 time zones in the Continental US and an additional 2.5 if you include all of North America. Secondly, just for a comparison, Chalman is usually already gone by the time Pact Militia can get our raids started each night, but we don't need to *** about it because we are good enough to ***ing deal with it.

5) Yes, we do have a diverse player base. We put in the work required to take in new players and help them get better. If the Elite guilds don't want to do that, that is their own loss.

2) Outnumbering your opponent is not a f** play style. I am not a huge fan of VE, but most of EP is delusional. Fight them with even numbers and see how the fight turns out. Hell fight them 12 v 24, and see how it turns out.

4) I don't think it is a matter of time zones, but fighting against relatively tiny resistance. I regularly see poplocked EP fighting 2 bars AD/DC. If you think this is ok there is something wrong with you.

5) You are hurting your players long term. They will never improve in this environment, and they are mislead into believing they are competitive.

I've been saying this to Nikolai for months now. It's fine coming from you Mojican but when it comes from VE members who relied on 24+ stacking with other DC guilds (not on purpose but still did) for months not a long time ago and who are now asking Nik to stop zerging.. it's pretty ironic. lol

The complaints about zerging seem to be regarding super late night and daytime when no one is playing. I know you're grossly misinformed regarding all things VE frozn, but at the very least you should know we play during primetime.

Satiar

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Several points:

2) Pact Militia has been getting better where as VE was already fairly strong (if anything you've gotten weaker due to the lack of adaptability in your playstyle related to the TG changes). I have no problem recognizing that you used to be able to wipe us pretty much every time we met, but that is not the case anymore, and is also something that is not reflected in your kill counter / codex stats.

4) I don't really have any sympathy for those who whine about the times that people play. First off, the 2am that was being discussed at the beginning of all of this is based on Central Time. Pacific Time that is only midnight on a Friday. Discounting the Oceanic players entirely, there are 4 time zones in the Continental US and an additional 2.5 if you include all of North America. Secondly, just for a comparison, Chalman is usually already gone by the time Pact Militia can get our raids started each night, but we don't need to *** about it because we are good enough to ***ing deal with it.

5) Yes, we do have a diverse player base. We put in the work required to take in new players and help them get better. If the Elite guilds don't want to do that, that is their own loss.

2) Outnumbering your opponent is not a f** play style. I am not a huge fan of VE, but most of EP is delusional. Fight them with even numbers and see how the fight turns out. Hell fight them 12 v 24, and see how it turns out.

4) I don't think it is a matter of time zones, but fighting against relatively tiny resistance. I regularly see poplocked EP fighting 2 bars AD/DC. If you think this is ok there is something wrong with you.

5) You are hurting your players long term. They will never improve in this environment, and they are mislead into believing they are competitive.

I've been saying this to Nikolai for months now. It's fine coming from you Mojican but when it comes from VE members who relied on 24+ stacking with other DC guilds (not on purpose but still did) for months not a long time ago and who are now asking Nik to stop zerging.. it's pretty ironic. lol

The numbers are what they are. Bring 60 to fight us at Aleswell, you probably need to. Those same numbers when no one is online to fight you? Ehhhh....

God_flakes

Zheg wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

But yeah. It's like people don't remember the great Thornblade exodus and what followed. There are consequences to that kind of play, and those consequences are often people quitting.

I get savior complexes are unsavory but we rerolled to DC specifically because we felt PvP was dying and thought strengthening the weakest faction could help inject new life.... And I'd say we were arguably successful in doing that. But it shouldn't have ever come to that, and there are even fewer guilds left now

What makes you think people care about those consequences? TB stayed EP poplocked for several months against 1 bar each for DC and AD. Daniel and Grunt went one night and dethroned the reigning EP emp (he had been uncontested emp for months on a dead server) and someone from his guild pst'd me that night and told me to delete my game. This is the mentality you're dealing with.

Ha, I think we were involved with the subsequent reprisal operation. We were desperate for good fights lol

This mentality. This is what you're dealing with. Right now, TF, DC has 3 keeps and no scrolls. A loose band of DC tried to get glade back and haxus rolled in with a full raid (maybe more).

I think hek is just trying to say what a huge fan of fifty shades of grey he is. No need to judge him.

Lmao!!!

Mojmir

God_flakes wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

But yeah. It's like people don't remember the great Thornblade exodus and what followed. There are consequences to that kind of play, and those consequences are often people quitting.

I get savior complexes are unsavory but we rerolled to DC specifically because we felt PvP was dying and thought strengthening the weakest faction could help inject new life.... And I'd say we were arguably successful in doing that. But it shouldn't have ever come to that, and there are even fewer guilds left now

What makes you think people care about those consequences? TB stayed EP poplocked for several months against 1 bar each for DC and AD. Daniel and Grunt went one night and dethroned the reigning EP emp (he had been uncontested emp for months on a dead server) and someone from his guild pst'd me that night and told me to delete my game. This is the mentality you're dealing with.

Ha, I think we were involved with the subsequent reprisal operation. We were desperate for good fights lol

This mentality. This is what you're dealing with. Right now, TF, DC has 3 keeps and no scrolls. A loose band of DC tried to get glade back and haxus rolled in with a full raid (maybe more).

I think hek is just trying to say what a huge fan of fifty shades of grey he is. No need to judge him.

Lmao!!!

That mail bag tho,it would drive me insane having not checked that.

NACtron

Alot of discussions about my guild so let me clear a few things up.

1. Pact Militia is a primetime focused guild. I get that you probably won't be believe me but we rarely zerg or have a large force outside of primetime. The event the OP was referring too was a rare situation where I didn't have work or social commitments and that enabled me to run a massive force late into the night until we got our scroll back. Pact Militia rarely has a force larger than 16-20 after 1am EST. All of our raid leads have work commitments that prevent them from running serious or efficient raids that late. I am not about to tell as casual group of my guildies that they cannot run past primetime or at the very least they can't take keeps because that is uncompetitive gameplay or that opposing guilds will find it unfair if you do that. I understand that EP is Pop locked longer than most factions but you can't blame that on us. We also don't run anything but a 4-12 man group during the daytime. This group is also mostly a casual group. I have found it kind of amusing that you are associating all of the various EP guilds that run during the day and night with mine but it's simply not true. I think the actions those EP take are fine and it's their right to do it and I will defend that.

2. Pact Militia is a zerg guild but it is also trying to foster a more elite core. I do the best I can with this core to move us away from our zergs and hit different objectives. It's hard when there is really only or two fun fights on the map at a time though. I'm not about to disband and kick everyone in my guild that zergs and is not interested or didn't meet the requirements for our core raid. We want to do both. Have an top teir raid like Ve, Haxus, Invictus yet and a Zerg that appeals to the casual. Our guild is a gaming community and we want to offer plenty of enjoyable experiences to our members. Obviously plenty of players love zerging and a few really dedicated players love running with our core. We have a great community that thrives off the experiences we are currently giving and I'm not about discourage our shut it down cause a few players outside the guild do agree with our playstyle.

3. Pact Militia plays to win campaigns. We get enjoyment and thrills out of doing everything we can to win the campaign. We enjoy bringing victory to the ebonheart pact in the thirty day campaigns and we do pride ourselves in our contributons. Our victories may not be as legendary or morally sound as you view yours but it's still a victory. I know on this one I am in the minority. Most play for AP gains, leaderboards or just good fights. For me without the overall objective this game would feel hollow. Don't get me wrong, I love AP and good fights. That's why we started a core instead of just stacking 4 raids each night. But it's still a work in progress.

4. I want my core raid to eventually encompass my whole guild. I am using it as an experiment so I and others in the guild can learn how to train, play, lead effective groups. Once I have gotten that down I will spread the knowledge I have gotten to every player I can. We have a not crazy but decent chunk of influence in the Small PvP community cause of our size. I intend to use that for the good of the EP faction and the community. We just got to figure out getting it right first. (I can just here frozn nagging in my ear to run smaller groups to improve gameplay. I am aware of this and it has been something I've been trying to do that past few weeks more) I think it would be amazing to have two full raids that I could deploy. One to fight AD, One to fight DC. That I could split them up without worry, but right now I can't. It's my goal though.

5. To be clear our guild is very focused on improving our gameplay and winning at primetime. The difference between us and others in this regard is that we are open and okay with the concept of nightcapping and daycapping. If our players want to do that, more power to them. It's their time to play the game. If I can stay on I like working with these players to clean up messes made at primetime. It kind of feels like leaving a job unfinished. It's like I'm telling the late night players. "Okay, we aren't good enough to hold at primetime and now you have deal with getting farmed at arrius LM, have a good one!" EP has been lately better holding their own at primetime so it's not as hard to push the other factions to the gates later at night. I don't know why the other factions don't have players on to resist EP at that time but they don't.

6. Pact Militia started when EP guilds were dying off during DC dominance at the end of last year and the beginning of this one. It was hard. Morale was low, any good players we picked up were from guilds that were dying off. Meanwhile DC got stronger. They had a strong 24/7 presence, we could'nt fight it. However we tried to recruit players to run in the day and at night. We never figured DC would start to fade. We figured we had to be able to deploy a raid at all the various times DC was on. We gathered players from all timezones, now we have some of that force that we were building up still left and they still run in the name of the guild at night and I think that's okay. After how many times they got farmed at arrius or chal for months I think they earned it.

Sorry for the text wall and the rambling. This is just a compilation of some thoughts I had about your comments. I hope it cleared the air about what my guilds philosophy is for you. I am happy to take the time to answer any questions or criticisms you have. Just put in a question format instead of a general rant or bash

Ghost-Shot

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Rohamad_Ali

The best of this thread is sitting in TS an shooting the breeze with Egypt . So glad I moved past all this a long time ago .

PhatGrimReaper

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

God_flakes

Mojmir wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

But yeah. It's like people don't remember the great Thornblade exodus and what followed. There are consequences to that kind of play, and those consequences are often people quitting.

I get savior complexes are unsavory but we rerolled to DC specifically because we felt PvP was dying and thought strengthening the weakest faction could help inject new life.... And I'd say we were arguably successful in doing that. But it shouldn't have ever come to that, and there are even fewer guilds left now

What makes you think people care about those consequences? TB stayed EP poplocked for several months against 1 bar each for DC and AD. Daniel and Grunt went one night and dethroned the reigning EP emp (he had been uncontested emp for months on a dead server) and someone from his guild pst'd me that night and told me to delete my game. This is the mentality you're dealing with.

Ha, I think we were involved with the subsequent reprisal operation. We were desperate for good fights lol

This mentality. This is what you're dealing with. Right now, TF, DC has 3 keeps and no scrolls. A loose band of DC tried to get glade back and haxus rolled in with a full raid (maybe more).

I think hek is just trying to say what a huge fan of fifty shades of grey he is. No need to judge him.

Lmao!!!

That mail bag tho,it would drive me insane having not checked that.

Dealing with mail is pedantic. I hate pedantic.

NACtron

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Satiar

NACtron wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Nothing, I guess. I appreciate the honesty, it's just not the answer I wanted.

You just came to the game at the wrong time. This is the sort of thing that goes great when the game is growing and full of life. PC NA is in a bad spot. At this point it likely has less than 10% of total players playing ESO, and the PvP sector is a wasteland. There's only 1 competitive server left. If you want to play that way I literally cannot stop you, but I'll put forward that you're putting unnecessary pressure on a dwindling PvP community to win a prize very few even care about anymore. It is worth thinking about.

God_flakes

Satiar wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Nothing, I guess. I appreciate the honesty, it's just not the answer I wanted.

You just came to the game at the wrong time. This is the sort of thing that goes great when the game is growing and full of life. PC NA is in a bad spot. At this point it likely has less than 10% of total players playing ESO, and the PvP sector is a wasteland. There's only 1 competitive server left. If you want to play that way I literally cannot stop you, but I'll put forward that you're putting unnecessary pressure on a dwindling PvP community to win a prize very few even care about anymore. It is worth thinking about.

"I've always been about domination." -Hektik

Kid is a legend in his own mind.

NACtron

Satiar wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Nothing, I guess. I appreciate the honesty, it's just not the answer I wanted.

You just came to the game at the wrong time. This is the sort of thing that goes great when the game is growing and full of life. PC NA is in a bad spot. At this point it likely has less than 10% of total players playing ESO, and the PvP sector is a wasteland. There's only 1 competitive server left. If you want to play that way I literally cannot stop you, but I'll put forward that you're putting unnecessary pressure on a dwindling PvP community to win a prize very few even care about anymore. It is worth thinking about.

Yeah I know few care about map control. It's shame too. It would be fun to fight guild that had our mentality. We've done a good job in my guild of being positive about the game, helping new players out and doing our part to grow the small PvP community. Sure some may rage quit because I spammed them with bombard one to many times but overall I think we have a positive spread of keeping/bringing in more players playing the game then we discourage.

allen-iverson

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Nothing, I guess. I appreciate the honesty, it's just not the answer I wanted.

You just came to the game at the wrong time. This is the sort of thing that goes great when the game is growing and full of life. PC NA is in a bad spot. At this point it likely has less than 10% of total players playing ESO, and the PvP sector is a wasteland. There's only 1 competitive server left. If you want to play that way I literally cannot stop you, but I'll put forward that you're putting unnecessary pressure on a dwindling PvP community to win a prize very few even care about anymore. It is worth thinking about.

"I've always been about domination." -Hektik

Kid is a legend in his own mind.

seems like a serious case of overcompensation tbh

God_flakes

NACtron wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Nothing, I guess. I appreciate the honesty, it's just not the answer I wanted.

You just came to the game at the wrong time. This is the sort of thing that goes great when the game is growing and full of life. PC NA is in a bad spot. At this point it likely has less than 10% of total players playing ESO, and the PvP sector is a wasteland. There's only 1 competitive server left. If you want to play that way I literally cannot stop you, but I'll put forward that you're putting unnecessary pressure on a dwindling PvP community to win a prize very few even care about anymore. It is worth thinking about.

Yeah I know few care about map control. It's shame too. It would be fun to fight guild that had our mentality. We've done a good job in my guild of being positive about the game, helping new players out and doing our part to grow the small PvP community. Sure some may rage quit because I spammed them with bombard one to many times but overall I think we have a positive spread of keeping/bringing in more players playing the game then we discourage.

Let me ask you a question...Sunday night at prime time and DC has two bars, you guys have a poplock, all of our keeps except Warden and Rayles, and a rag tag group of 12 DC or so rally up at Glade and you send one of your strongest guilds to outnumber and mow those DC all down....you think you're encouraging and fostering healthy pvp? Now yeah I guess you could say you're being competitive. You're playing the map. You're dominating. Blah blah blah. There's only a few days left in the campaign. You're at no risk of losing even if DC took every keep and held them all night long. What exactly is it you guys are trying to do? Do you not see the dwindling pvp participants and the apathy?

NACtron

God_flakes wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Nothing, I guess. I appreciate the honesty, it's just not the answer I wanted.

You just came to the game at the wrong time. This is the sort of thing that goes great when the game is growing and full of life. PC NA is in a bad spot. At this point it likely has less than 10% of total players playing ESO, and the PvP sector is a wasteland. There's only 1 competitive server left. If you want to play that way I literally cannot stop you, but I'll put forward that you're putting unnecessary pressure on a dwindling PvP community to win a prize very few even care about anymore. It is worth thinking about.

Yeah I know few care about map control. It's shame too. It would be fun to fight guild that had our mentality. We've done a good job in my guild of being positive about the game, helping new players out and doing our part to grow the small PvP community. Sure some may rage quit because I spammed them with bombard one to many times but overall I think we have a positive spread of keeping/bringing in more players playing the game then we discourage.

Let me ask you a question...Sunday night at prime time and DC has two bars, you guys have a poplock, all of our keeps except Warden and Rayles, and a rag tag group of 12 DC or so rally up at Glade and you send one of your strongest guilds to outnumber and mow those DC all down....you think you're encouraging and fostering healthy pvp? Now yeah I guess you could say you're being competitive. You're playing the map. You're dominating. Blah blah blah. There's only a few days left in the campaign. You're at no risk of losing even if DC took every keep and held them all night long. What exactly is it you guys are trying to do? Do you not see the dwindling pvp participants and the apathy?

Players get satisfaction out of taking keeps and pushing the other faction(s) the gates. It's not like I actively say "We must push to the gates until their playbase is non-existent" rather it's a natural occurrence due to map design. People want to grab the shiny scrolls behind the gates and run it back to their keeps. It's part of the fun of ESO PvP for many. I see the apathy and the dwindling participants on the DC side but I think that is due more to lack of leadership and burnt out long time players then a EP zerg. I remember there was a couple months were CN would do this 2-3 times a week. Yeah EP lost numbers but they still recovered obviously. What is to say DC won't?

God_flakes

I'd also like to add as a caveat that AD is nearly untouched. They had almost all their keeps except Alessia. Why's that? Because AD real estate isn't shiny?

Rohamad_Ali

EP gonna do wat EP wants to do .

N u know this ...

Y'all need to get right with a

NACtron

God_flakes wrote: »

I'd also like to add as a caveat that AD is nearly untouched. They had almost all their keeps except Alessia. Why's that? Because AD real estate isn't shiny?

Good Question. We focus on DC, The reason is not "EP is the victim and we got to keep the DC horde at bay" anymore like it used to be. In fact it is the other way around probably now. Simply put, if we take the time to push AD to their gates right now before we deal with DC, DC will always push us. AD won't do that like DC does. We can leave them alone with little risk for the time being

AD seems content to leave us alone. I have no idea why, maybe the farming is good at nikel? Who knows. AD seems content to not push as hard as long as we don't actively push them with force. We use that to our advantage. I have noticed if we push AD to their gates they all leave the campaign instantly as well. There will still be some sort of DC force fighting hard no matter what, from what I hear.

To be fair in the last two weeks AD during primetime will muster a couple solid guilds and send them towards brk and arrius but they only attack keeps if they aren't getting enough attention. Their main focus seems to farm us, not push us. There is a steady enough stream of EP pugs going down south to keep them satisfied most of the time. Not my guilds problem unless some frustated EP really want me to clean them out or they actually take brk and threaten arrius.

PhatGrimReaper

God_flakes wrote: »

I'd also like to add as a caveat that AD is nearly untouched. They had almost all their keeps except Alessia. Why's that? Because AD real estate isn't shiny?

LMAO..... We were at our gates with EP groups defending both Blackboot and bloodmayne.

Stop playing the victim!

God_flakes

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

PhatGrimReaper

You know what..........

Maybe it's time to fight the zerg with a zerg........ time for the servers to die!!

God_flakes

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I'd also like to add as a caveat that AD is nearly untouched. They had almost all their keeps except Alessia. Why's that? Because AD real estate isn't shiny?

LMAO..... We were at our gates with EP groups defending both Blackboot and bloodmayne.

Stop playing the victim!

Idk what you're talking about. I was on from 7:30 pm est to 9 and saw no crossed swords in ad territories the entire time. Nada. Zilch. And you got an EP right here admitting you all don't do shite against them.

NACtron

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

You know what..........

Maybe it's time to fight the zerg with a zerg........ time for the servers to die!!

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

Yeah no doubt it's creating bad feelings there. It would be interesting to see if it's really driving players out of PvP though. Let's say we zerg trueflame to death and no one but EP plays it anymore. Do those DC players quit or did they just move over to a different server. It wouldn't be too hard for me to pick up my guild and move to another server if that is where the biggest action was. Also I see guilds like Blood and Heart of Daggerfall actively running in TF every night and their numbers are not seeming to shrink. Rather they seem to be growing a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the June campaign in TF be a lot closer. There are plenty of AD guilds that Crispen showcased on his forum post. It seems like they might become more competitive scoring wise too next campaign.

PhatGrimReaper

NACtron wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

You know what..........

Maybe it's time to fight the zerg with a zerg........ time for the servers to die!!

God_flakes wrote: »

Here's a thought...let DC push a little. Inspire some actual pvp rather then buffed up dominant bully mowing over a few stragglers trying to get one home keep back. Just food for thought. I've played this game for two years and have been on both sides, man. What EP is doing right now in TF is just bad for the game community. I've seen it totally ruin campaigns.

Yeah no doubt it's creating bad feelings there. It would be interesting to see if it's really driving players out of PvP though. Let's say we zerg trueflame to death and no one but EP plays it anymore. Do those DC players quit or did they just move over to a different server. It wouldn't be too hard for me to pick up my guild and move to another server if that is where the biggest action was. Also I see guilds like Blood and Heart of Daggerfall actively running in TF every night and their numbers are not seeming to shrink. Rather they seem to be growing a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see the June campaign in TF be a lot closer. There are plenty of AD guilds that Crispen showcased on his forum post. It seems like they might become more competitive scoring wise too next campaign.

You still don't get it...... Nobody gives a %^&* about winning the campaign. It's the part where you send 40+ against 10-16. And it isn't coincidental.... look at the way you glorify wiping VE with 2x even 3x their number. YOU ARE NOT WINNING!!!

What you are doing is like voluntary cancer!

frozywozy

Satiar wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

Constructive. I'm doing the best I can to be transparent.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Oh ffs Nik you genuinely don't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you, I give up.

He doesn't want to understand it...... too busy "Winning"!!

All I am saying is that we enjoy winning the campaign. It's an objective we take a bit of pride in. I think I have been clear and humble about the fact that we have plenty of work to do at primetime fighting other guilds. What more do you want?

Nothing, I guess. I appreciate the honesty, it's just not the answer I wanted.

You just came to the game at the wrong time. This is the sort of thing that goes great when the game is growing and full of life. PC NA is in a bad spot. At this point it likely has less than 10% of total players playing ESO, and the PvP sector is a wasteland. There's only 1 competitive server left. If you want to play that way I literally cannot stop you, but I'll put forward that you're putting unnecessary pressure on a dwindling PvP community to win a prize very few even care about anymore. It is worth thinking about.

Haderus has some amazing competition. I actually consider switching there once Trueflame cycle is done. Had a blast there the past week even though I get zerged down even more, at least I get a chance to fight without lag. And I get alot more kills.

Hektik_V

I am Hektik

maxjapank

NACtron wrote: »

Players get satisfaction out of taking keeps and pushing the other faction(s) the gates. It's not like I actively say "We must push to the gates until their playbase is non-existent" rather it's a natural occurrence due to map design. People want to grab the shiny scrolls behind the gates and run it back to their keeps. It's part of the fun of ESO PvP for many.

I can accept this. Scrolls are there for the taking. And to get scrolls, you have to take the the 3 main home keeps.

I think it's after taking the scrolls...that players and guilds need to think about what to do. Primarily, it doesn't do much good to keep pushing to the gates. There is no real motivation accept for the occasional silly, "Well, they did that to us for months. So what if they suffer now." Though I understand the anger, being overwhelmed and/or mowed down can be very discouraging to a player base that suffers from a lack of numbers. It's not like a faction can instantly call up or recruit players to participate in an already laggy war.

I have no problem with Red being pop-locked while Blue and Yellow are at 2 bars. What right do I have to tell players that they can't play.

here are things Red could do, though, to encourage a healthier pvp environment. Coordinating to attack on two fronts is one. Letting blues and yellows at least take the two home keeps and maybe Glade and Faregyl is another. This especially because letting an opposing force build up actually gives you more people to fight against, more people to kill, and doubles the fun.

On the other hand, yellow and blue can work on pushing against red together, even if there is animosity between the two factions. I have heard people encourage this so many times, and yet someone in the yellow faction or someone in the blue faction decides to stab the other in the back. It is war. But honestly, if Red has overwhelming numbers or Emp, then we could work together some. It's the only logical solution.

But anyways, less hard feelings and more let's try to have fun. That's why we pvp everyday, isn't it? To have fun. You kill me. I kill you. Fun fun.

p.s. Off topic, but if someone can keep me from crashing in large fights, I'll forever be yours. Not having fun crashing in Cyrodiil recenly

Icy

maxjapank wrote: »

p.s. Off topic, but if someone can keep me from crashing in large fights, I'll forever be yours. Not having fun crashing in Cyrodiil recenly

THIS WORKS FOR ME IN ALL BUT THE LARGEST BATTLES AT CHAL.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/267151/fix-some-of-your-crashes-in-pvp