Why North American truelflame EP, WHY??

JDar

_Crow wrote: »

Opps! I forgot to ask permission from VE if we were allowed to push DC past a certain time. If you could send me a schedule on what times we are allowed to push, what scrolls we can take, how many players we can stack, and which faction to go after that would be amazing so we can make sure this doesn't happen again. Thanks

Wow cool guild VE

Satiar

_Crow wrote: »

Opps! I forgot to ask permission from VE if we were allowed to push DC past a certain time. If you could send me a schedule on what times we are allowed to push, what scrolls we can take, how many players we can stack, and which faction to go after that would be amazing so we can make sure this doesn't happen again. Thanks

There's a difference between map control and strangling the life out of a campaign with numbers and anti competitive play.

If you don't care to learn the difference and want to behave like mindless pugs swarming everything that's the wrong color, that's how people will think of you.

You guys have the potential to be a decent guild. But at this point your defining trait is patience in waiting for competition to log off

JDar

Mods please ban me, I am tired of wasting my valuable time trying to talk sense to these people.

Astanphaeus

I love how EP's response to getting one of their scrolls taken and almost the second is to fight back and reclaim their scroll and DC's response to EP doing so is to *** about it.

Satiar

Astanphaeus wrote: »

I love how EP's response to getting one of their scrolls taken and almost the second is to fight back and reclaim their scroll and DC's response to EP doing so is to *** about it.

This is because EP conveniently gets stuff done when their competition has gone to bed.

It's exactly that type of play that compelled me to leave the faction.

PrinceFabious

_Crow wrote: »

Kaserai wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact -- what the heck? What happened while I was gone to incite this hatred?

When I log on, whoever has dared take one of our scrolls, I will make it my mission to zerg you all the way to your gates and take both your scrolls.

If you insist on throwing bodies against chal every night for 4 hours instead of pushing AD even a little, I will make it my mission to zerg you to until we have ales.

Why does EP hate DC so much you ask? Because EP still remembers what those 4 months were like when you threw 70+ people at just us 24/7 even when we were in last place by a huge amount.

And don't worry, we hate AD just as much, we just like going after the team that is in second place, which makes since if you think about it.

Lol well said
To add to that. Dont think EP forgot when VE and CN used to stack their 24 man raids and zurged down the map. Maybe yall should stop tryna attack Chalman? Lol

Satiar

PrinceFabious wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Kaserai wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact -- what the heck? What happened while I was gone to incite this hatred?

When I log on, whoever has dared take one of our scrolls, I will make it my mission to zerg you all the way to your gates and take both your scrolls.

If you insist on throwing bodies against chal every night for 4 hours instead of pushing AD even a little, I will make it my mission to zerg you to until we have ales.

Why does EP hate DC so much you ask? Because EP still remembers what those 4 months were like when you threw 70+ people at just us 24/7 even when we were in last place by a huge amount.

And don't worry, we hate AD just as much, we just like going after the team that is in second place, which makes since if you think about it.

Lol well said
To add to that. Dont think EP forgot when VE and CN used to stack their 24 man raids and zurged down the map. Maybe yall should stop tryna attack Chalman? Lol

Oh no, guilds cooperated to take the last emp keep vs the entire faction.

#NEVERforget

JDar

Look if you run in a group of 12+ get off your high horse. Please stop trying to pretend like your group could get as much AP any other way, or that you aren't casuals. Why else would you play that way these days? Back in the day, that was how the game ran. It was zerg v zerg and the lag was uncontrollable. A minute would pass before damage started registering. Big guilds should be no more. We all know who the people are who can't hang solo or in groups of less than 8. Yes I'm calling you out.

I used to zerg too but this is a new game. You don't see me listed in any of the guild rosters in the other thread. If you can't play it, please go to BDO!

NACtron

Satiar wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Why do you have this irrational hatred for the DC? Why don't you go and ROFLstomp the AD for a night?

Um, there is no bias. When the fields are running red, everyone gets pushed in.

Nah, DC gets hardcore focused. But this is only because they have the force to push back if given room. AD was also pressured hard by both factions when they had elite guilds capable of pushing.

To be fair both factions

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Kaserai wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact -- what the heck? What happened while I was gone to incite this hatred?

When I log on, whoever has dared take one of our scrolls, I will make it my mission to zerg you all the way to your gates and take both your scrolls.

If you insist on throwing bodies against chal every night for 4 hours instead of pushing AD even a little, I will make it my mission to zerg you to until we have ales.

Why does EP hate DC so much you ask? Because EP still remembers what those 4 months were like when you threw 70+ people at just us 24/7 even when we were in last place by a huge amount.

And don't worry, we hate AD just as much, we just like going after the team that is in second place, which makes since if you think about it.

I can't believe I just read this, @NACtron solid choice of an officer.

When we already hold Roe, why would we continue to push yellow? Unlike you it seems, we actually play this game to PVP and understand the harm that pushing a faction that can't defend to its gates. PvDoor is dumb and it kills any competitive environment we might have otherwise had.

I don't know, I feel like we get plenty of competition. Just read the OP's post, there was a solid drawn out siege battle until three am. We rarely get the opportunity to PvDoor. Unless some of us log on during the daytime hours there is always solid competition to be had on the front lines with either faction. You guys are an experienced guild that has been active in the community for awhile. That's great, that's something I respect but we don't feel any moral dilemma pushing past Aleswell/Alessia. Especially if there is competition on. Just cause VE isn't online doesn't mean the many other DC guilds have logged for the night too. Funny enough EP also logs to after primetime. Our raid(s) often shrink to half the size. Yes EP has more people logged in than the other factions late into the night and early into the day but that doesn't mean we have nothing to do. EP is in a position of strength for the time being. Let them enjoy it. DC/AD just have to fight harder to stop us. I would like to feel bad for you guys. I kinda do cause I have been there for months. My guild literally started in September when DC started going on its months long domination spree. We know what's like, I'm very aware of how frustrating it is, but this is war. If you can't field the forces to fight us for more than a couple hours a day that is on you, not me.

_Crow wrote: »

Opps! I forgot to ask permission from VE if we were allowed to push DC past a certain time. If you could send me a schedule on what times we are allowed to push, what scrolls we can take, how many players we can stack, and which faction to go after that would be amazing so we can make sure this doesn't happen again. Thanks

BTW Crow is a solid choice as a officer. Just look at this post :P The man is just a relentless savage that will use any tactics and resources available to defeat the other factions. We are lucky to have a leader like that on board.

NACtron

JDar wrote: »

Look if you run in a group of 12+ get off your high horse. Please stop trying to pretend like your group could get as much AP any other way, or that you aren't casuals. Why else would you play that way these days? Back in the day, that was how the game ran. It was zerg v zerg and the lag was uncontrollable. A minute would pass before damage started registering. Big guilds should be no more. We all know who the people are who can't hang solo or in groups of less than 8. Yes I'm calling you out.

I used to zerg too but this is a new game. You don't see me listed in any of the guild rosters in the other thread. If you can't play it, please go to BDO!

I never said we get as much AP as anyone else. I bet most guilds get more than we do. as matter of fact my guild cares fairly little about leaderboards, or the amount of AP we get etc etc. We get our enjoyment out of pushing the map and Fighting for objectives in large scale battles. Your "holier than thou talk" is u- warranted. The game itself is designed for large scale PvP. The map literally funnels people towards the next keep and gives them little else to choose from. lag is frustrating but it's not as frustrating as players with an elitist mindset that don't want us to play the way we enjoy doing.

Bdawwg

The exact same thing is happening on ps4 eu azura. Red have the entire map and are just hate camping literally. Every scroll is there's and they continue to be twice as populated as the other factions but still push yellows and blues back to the gates. What's the point in that at all?
How does that promote fun gameplay?
Some players just need to turn their brains off of sheep mode and think, if you want more people to pvp on other factions don't go camping there gates with huge numbers and swarming any resource they manage to capture.

God_flakes

NACtron wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Why do you have this irrational hatred for the DC? Why don't you go and ROFLstomp the AD for a night?

Um, there is no bias. When the fields are running red, everyone gets pushed in.

Nah, DC gets hardcore focused. But this is only because they have the force to push back if given room. AD was also pressured hard by both factions when they had elite guilds capable of pushing.

To be fair both factions

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Kaserai wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact -- what the heck? What happened while I was gone to incite this hatred?

When I log on, whoever has dared take one of our scrolls, I will make it my mission to zerg you all the way to your gates and take both your scrolls.

If you insist on throwing bodies against chal every night for 4 hours instead of pushing AD even a little, I will make it my mission to zerg you to until we have ales.

Why does EP hate DC so much you ask? Because EP still remembers what those 4 months were like when you threw 70+ people at just us 24/7 even when we were in last place by a huge amount.

And don't worry, we hate AD just as much, we just like going after the team that is in second place, which makes since if you think about it.

I can't believe I just read this, @NACtron solid choice of an officer.

When we already hold Roe, why would we continue to push yellow? Unlike you it seems, we actually play this game to PVP and understand the harm that pushing a faction that can't defend to its gates. PvDoor is dumb and it kills any competitive environment we might have otherwise had.

I don't know, I feel like we get plenty of competition. Just read the OP's post, there was a solid drawn out siege battle until three am. We rarely get the opportunity to PvDoor. Unless some of us log on during the daytime hours there is always solid competition to be had on the front lines with either faction. You guys are an experienced guild that has been active in the community for awhile. That's great, that's something I respect but we don't feel any moral dilemma pushing past Aleswell/Alessia. Especially if there is competition on. Just cause VE isn't online doesn't mean the many other DC guilds have logged for the night too. Funny enough EP also logs to after primetime. Our raid(s) often shrink to half the size. Yes EP has more people logged in than the other factions late into the night and early into the day but that doesn't mean we have nothing to do. EP is in a position of strength for the time being. Let them enjoy it. DC/AD just have to fight harder to stop us. I would like to feel bad for you guys. I kinda do cause I have been there for months. My guild literally started in September when DC started going on its months long domination spree. We know what's like, I'm very aware of how frustrating it is, but this is war. If you can't field the forces to fight us for more than a couple hours a day that is on you, not me.

Would you like us to poo more soldiers out our butts? At the end of this cycle, DC is losing another guild and even more bodies. So gratz, EP can continue to enjoy their overmanned wins.

Last night when I logged at 8pm est even in my inebriated state, it was glaringly apparent to me how ridiculously deceptive the poplock icon for DC is. It was a ghost town.....really kinda creepy. Then at Glade farm I came across this solo DC flipping it from yellow to blue (Glade was red I think). His name was something Whitestrayke. He said to me, "my name is blah blah Whitestrayke. I like having my home keeps." He then ran straight away to the lumber. Very, very odd.

Reevster

Lol, its "PvP" not farmville, if you cant handle the pressure don't play, heck I am AD with the lowest population and we get hammered constantly.

Ghost-Shot

NACtron wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Why do you have this irrational hatred for the DC? Why don't you go and ROFLstomp the AD for a night?

Um, there is no bias. When the fields are running red, everyone gets pushed in.

Nah, DC gets hardcore focused. But this is only because they have the force to push back if given room. AD was also pressured hard by both factions when they had elite guilds capable of pushing.

To be fair both factions

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

_Crow wrote: »

Kaserai wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact -- what the heck? What happened while I was gone to incite this hatred?

When I log on, whoever has dared take one of our scrolls, I will make it my mission to zerg you all the way to your gates and take both your scrolls.

If you insist on throwing bodies against chal every night for 4 hours instead of pushing AD even a little, I will make it my mission to zerg you to until we have ales.

Why does EP hate DC so much you ask? Because EP still remembers what those 4 months were like when you threw 70+ people at just us 24/7 even when we were in last place by a huge amount.

And don't worry, we hate AD just as much, we just like going after the team that is in second place, which makes since if you think about it.

I can't believe I just read this, @NACtron solid choice of an officer.

When we already hold Roe, why would we continue to push yellow? Unlike you it seems, we actually play this game to PVP and understand the harm that pushing a faction that can't defend to its gates. PvDoor is dumb and it kills any competitive environment we might have otherwise had.

I don't know, I feel like we get plenty of competition. Just read the OP's post, there was a solid drawn out siege battle until three am. We rarely get the opportunity to PvDoor. Unless some of us log on during the daytime hours there is always solid competition to be had on the front lines with either faction. You guys are an experienced guild that has been active in the community for awhile. That's great, that's something I respect but we don't feel any moral dilemma pushing past Aleswell/Alessia. Especially if there is competition on. Just cause VE isn't online doesn't mean the many other DC guilds have logged for the night too. Funny enough EP also logs to after primetime. Our raid(s) often shrink to half the size. Yes EP has more people logged in than the other factions late into the night and early into the day but that doesn't mean we have nothing to do. EP is in a position of strength for the time being. Let them enjoy it. DC/AD just have to fight harder to stop us. I would like to feel bad for you guys. I kinda do cause I have been there for months. My guild literally started in September when DC started going on its months long domination spree. We know what's like, I'm very aware of how frustrating it is, but this is war. If you can't field the forces to fight us for more than a couple hours a day that is on you, not me.

_Crow wrote: »

Opps! I forgot to ask permission from VE if we were allowed to push DC past a certain time. If you could send me a schedule on what times we are allowed to push, what scrolls we can take, how many players we can stack, and which faction to go after that would be amazing so we can make sure this doesn't happen again. Thanks

BTW Crow is a solid choice as a officer. Just look at this post :P The man is just a relentless savage that will use any tactics and resources available to defeat the other factions. We are lucky to have a leader like that on board.

I've been online at our scroll temple at 4am with a handful of DC to see countless people wearing your tabbard taking everything, please don't tell me you rarely get to PvDoor when its what you do best, next to getting farmed by less than half your numbers. Taking everything after competition is logged off is hardly a "tactic", its just pathetic.

Crispen_Longbow

JDar wrote: »

Personally I'd love to fight the Alliance War. A campaign where winning is meaningful and competitive is the reason why I play this game. The days where any AD players care about winning it, however, are over. Not many other people want what I want.

Thanks JDar for this. We hear you load and clear and understand the AD frustration. We too would like AD to have this same drive and desire again. I believe their are some AD that are still striving for this. I hope the new update will bring about some good changes to balance the server.

JDar wrote: »

Look if you run in a group of 12+ get off your high horse. Please stop trying to pretend like your group could get as much AP any other way, or that you aren't casuals. Why else would you play that way these days? Back in the day, that was how the game ran. It was zerg v zerg and the lag was uncontrollable. A minute would pass before damage started registering. Big guilds should be no more. We all know who the people are who can't hang solo or in groups of less than 8. Yes I'm calling you out.

I used to zerg too but this is a new game. You don't see me listed in any of the guild rosters in the other thread. If you can't play it, please go to BDO!

We play solo, small man, and raid. We are very capable players which is what makes us a solid guild. Not sure if this was meant directly at VE or just a broad statement in general.

If it is at VE here is just me and your encounters.



On to Pact Militia...

Nikolai the Nord wrote: »
Yes EP has more people logged in than the other factions late into the night and early into the day but that doesn't mean we have nothing to do. EP is in a position of strength for the time being. Let them enjoy it. DC/AD just have to fight harder to stop us.

We don't have to fight harder, we do just fine.

Nikolai the Nord wrote: »
BTW Crow is a solid choice as a officer. Just look at this post :P The man is just a relentless savage that will use any tactics and resources available to defeat the other factions. We are lucky to have a leader like that on board.

Yes I can clearly see why you think he makes a good officer.



To the many DC that have posted their frustration with the off-hour shenanigans that EP pulls and the delusional attitude that EP thinks this is good and healthy play. Steve has made his case quite clear what really happens here...

Steve wrote: »
You guys have the potential to be a decent guild. But at this point your defining trait is patience in waiting for competition to log off.

You just don't get to have it until I log off.

Nikolai's and Crow's view of what Strength is




Nikolai to Crow - Yes They are gone.






Thanks

Ghost-Shot

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Personally I'd love to fight the Alliance War. A campaign where winning is meaningful and competitive is the reason why I play this game. The days where any AD players care about winning it, however, are over. Not many other people want what I want.

Thanks JDar for this. We hear you load and clear and understand the AD frustration. We too would like AD to have this same drive and desire again. I believe their are some AD that are still striving for this. I hope the new update will bring about some good changes to balance the server.

JDar wrote: »

Look if you run in a group of 12+ get off your high horse. Please stop trying to pretend like your group could get as much AP any other way, or that you aren't casuals. Why else would you play that way these days? Back in the day, that was how the game ran. It was zerg v zerg and the lag was uncontrollable. A minute would pass before damage started registering. Big guilds should be no more. We all know who the people are who can't hang solo or in groups of less than 8. Yes I'm calling you out.

I used to zerg too but this is a new game. You don't see me listed in any of the guild rosters in the other thread. If you can't play it, please go to BDO!

We play solo, small man, and raid. We are very capable players which is what makes us a solid guild. Not sure if this was meant directly at VE or just a broad statement in general.

If it is at VE here is just me and your encounters.



On to Pact Militia...

Nikolai the Nord wrote: »
Yes EP has more people logged in than the other factions late into the night and early into the day but that doesn't mean we have nothing to do. EP is in a position of strength for the time being. Let them enjoy it. DC/AD just have to fight harder to stop us.

We don't have to fight harder, we do just fine.

Nikolai the Nord wrote: »
BTW Crow is a solid choice as a officer. Just look at this post :P The man is just a relentless savage that will use any tactics and resources available to defeat the other factions. We are lucky to have a leader like that on board.

Yes I can clearly see why you think he makes a good officer.



To the many DC that have posted their frustration with the off-hour shenanigans that EP pulls and the delusional attitude that EP thinks this is good and healthy play. Steve has made his case quite clear what really happens here...

Steve wrote: »
You guys have the potential to be a decent guild. But at this point your defining trait is patience in waiting for competition to log off.

You just don't get to have it until I log off.

Nikolai's and Crow's view of what Strength is




Nikolai to Crow - Yes They are gone.






Thanks

LOL, Crispen that's a promotion.

frozywozy

I just have one thing to say. It's quite satisfying to see DC complaining about EP pushing Aleswell non stop if they don't hold Chalman. Dude.. Chalman was a DC home keep for the past 6months.. don't you remember? I remember.

Double or triple DC raids running marathon around Bleakers or Chal mine or on top of the milegate spamming proxs with ping fluctuating from 800 to 2k ms. Now you complain because people zerg down Aleswell farm? What a joke. lol

I won't have any pity when EP guilds push DC all the way to their home keeps. Because this is what they did to us for months while birds were singing at Nikel. I just wish that EP would now learn to spread their population between DC and AD more. I don't know what the problem is. EP has at least 4 or 5 organized independent guilds so we should be able to spread all across the map.

No reason to stack 60players on one location. No matter how many opponent you face, the solution is not to bring more numbers. The solution is to attack different places at the same time to overcome your enemy and force him to spread aswell.

God_flakes

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say. It's quite satisfying to see DC complaining about EP pushing Aleswell non stop if they don't hold Chalman. Dude.. Chalman was a DC home keep for the past 6months.. don't you remember? I remember.

Double or triple DC raids running marathon around Bleakers or Chal mine or on top of the milegate spamming proxs with ping fluctuating from 800 to 2k ms. Now you complain because people zerg down Aleswell farm? What a joke. lol

Frozy, while this was going on I was with my own guild MVP (thanks for leaving me off the roster Crispen lol) and we ran just three of us every night we played. I took a lot of time off but also was still around hanging out with Rin and Minno. Even during the thick of what claim were the days of the mighty DC Zerg, I never had a queue to get into TF or Azura. Never....not once. It is my understanding EP has consistently had large queues and wait times to get into Cyro. Again, anecdotal. But it tells me something: DC didn't really have more numbers-they were better coordinated. They didn't have bigger zergs. Their zergs were more on point.

Zheg

JDar wrote: »

Look if you run in a group of 12+ get off your high horse. Please stop trying to pretend like your group could get as much AP any other way, or that you aren't casuals. Why else would you play that way these days? Back in the day, that was how the game ran. It was zerg v zerg and the lag was uncontrollable. A minute would pass before damage started registering. Big guilds should be no more. We all know who the people are who can't hang solo or in groups of less than 8. Yes I'm calling you out.

I used to zerg too but this is a new game. You don't see me listed in any of the guild rosters in the other thread. If you can't play it, please go to BDO!

You sound like so much fun. I'm perplexed why you aren't on any guild rosters though...

Minno

God_flakes wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say. It's quite satisfying to see DC complaining about EP pushing Aleswell non stop if they don't hold Chalman. Dude.. Chalman was a DC home keep for the past 6months.. don't you remember? I remember.

Double or triple DC raids running marathon around Bleakers or Chal mine or on top of the milegate spamming proxs with ping fluctuating from 800 to 2k ms. Now you complain because people zerg down Aleswell farm? What a joke. lol

Frozy, while this was going on I was with my own guild MVP (thanks for leaving me off the roster Crispen lol) and we ran just three of us every night we played. I took a lot of time off but also was still around hanging out with Rin and Minno. Even during the thick of what claim were the days of the mighty DC Zerg, I never had a queue to get into TF or Azura. Never....not once. It is my understanding EP has consistently had large queues and wait times to get into Cyro. Again, anecdotal. But it tells me something: DC didn't really have more numbers-they were better coordinated. They didn't have bigger zergs. Their zergs were more on point.

Not Crispen's fault, I forgot to add you to that list .

DisgracefulMind

_Crow wrote: »

Kaserai wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact -- what the heck? What happened while I was gone to incite this hatred?

When I log on, whoever has dared take one of our scrolls, I will make it my mission to zerg you all the way to your gates and take both your scrolls.

If you insist on throwing bodies against chal every night for 4 hours instead of pushing AD even a little, I will make it my mission to zerg you to until we have ales.

Why does EP hate DC so much you ask? Because EP still remembers what those 4 months were like when you threw 70+ people at just us 24/7 even when we were in last place by a huge amount.

And don't worry, we hate AD just as much, we just like going after the team that is in second place, which makes since if you think about it.

Just putting this out there: I remember the entire duration of this game minus those 4 months when DC had 70+ people thrown at them at all times and 90% of that time spent their game time at their gates.

Times have changed, but plz don't act like a victim.

P.S.- I play all alliances frequently and see all points of view, but let's not forget that DC has been gate camped more often than not and was heavily outnumbered more often than any other alliance.

Minno

Satiar wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

I love how EP's response to getting one of their scrolls taken and almost the second is to fight back and reclaim their scroll and DC's response to EP doing so is to *** about it.

This is because EP conveniently gets stuff done when their competition has gone to bed.

It's exactly that type of play that compelled me to leave the faction.

Loving that late-night pop-lock:


Also a gift for my fellow DC brethren, the view of all things dead and red:

KisoValley

This Crow guy acting like a victim mfw

Zheg

@Minno I see your hp and class, but do not see invigorating drain on your bar. You cannot properly post a troll pic if you do not have the proper troll skill slotted. It's on your back bar, right? right?

Minno

Zheg wrote: »

@Minno I see your hp and class, but do not see invigorating drain on your bar. You cannot properly post a troll pic if you do not have the proper troll skill slotted. It's on your back bar, right? right?

Backbar always with Ice-staff for extra glue.

Zheg

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

@Minno I see your hp and class, but do not see invigorating drain on your bar. You cannot properly post a troll pic if you do not have the proper troll skill slotted. It's on your back bar, right? right?

Backbar always with Ice-staff for extra glue.

I thought you had become a proper trollplar. Disappointment.

maxjapank

Flake wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

That 8 months you had off were awful for health of the game CN, VE, Vanzans crew etc for DC had round the clock coverage and zerged the crap out of the map.

Not VE mind you.

The hatred is probably from that.

How Vanzan's crew is a zerg baffles me. 15 people max if he's lucky lol

That right. Often 10-12 max. And never pushes Emp. Always helps dethrone or keep other factions from getting Emp. And rarely pushes past Arrius. Zerging map makes others log off. Others logging off means no fights. Just want fun fights. Period.

Humphie

maxjapank wrote: »

Flake wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

That 8 months you had off were awful for health of the game CN, VE, Vanzans crew etc for DC had round the clock coverage and zerged the crap out of the map.

Not VE mind you.

The hatred is probably from that.

How Vanzan's crew is a zerg baffles me. 15 people max if he's lucky lol

That right. Often 10-12 max. And never pushes Emp. Always helps dethrone or keep other factions from getting Emp. And rarely pushes past Arrius. Zerging map makes others log off. Others logging off means no fights. Just want fun fights. Period.

I can only agree to that! @Vanzan

PainfulFAFA

I left EP long time ago becoz it got too zergy. Anywhere you pushed, 20 other EP followed and lately all they can do is faction stack at ONE location lol. Gets boring real fast. There was a time when playing EP was cool but that was long time ago, the EP we have today are mostly farmable potatoes.
Ive had alot more fun in AD/DC defending/attacking objectives 5 times our numbers.

Rohamad_Ali

EP being bad again ? ... This one will call upon the Black Alliance . But only after supper . Supper most important meal of the day .