Why North American truelflame EP, WHY??

Akgurd

More easy and simple solution.
Ask ZOS a timezone based campaigns.

- 24/7 campaign
- US prime time only campaign
- Oceanic prime time only campaign

PrinceFabious

DC stopped winning 30 day campaigns win CN left the game. It makes sense now zurgs=victory.

Wing

lol at handle it, if people are not playing during those times, then their not playing. nothing to do about it.

as much as hated Daniel and the AP pug farming ball groups they ran spamming nothing but proxy bats and BoL. DC was never as bad as EP has been, and AD from days yonder was not even close.

DC at least usually just sat and defended the gate between Ash and Nickel or fought around those areas, and didn't have a constant presence so once they logged ground was easy to regain, also they had a small number of very good raids and really struggled to be multiple places at once.

EP on the other hand is a zerg fest, hard to deal with, and anti-competition no matter what time it is. prime time? they field the most zergs and do their best to hold and push keeps even when they have all the scrolls and Emp (I'm sure it will be a week here soon) even if DC or AD make ground once the good groups log EP just takes everything right back, even if they didn't loose any scrolls they just push back to Fare and Glade because their EP and its what they do.

if its not prime time EP is usually 3 bars (I have yet to ever see them 2 or lower) compared to 1 bar (2 if lucky) as soon as AD tries to retake Fare the whole EP zerg shows up and just wipes them, try to take a resource? EP zerg shows up and beats it out of you.

I just don't get why EP didn't learn its lesson with the thornblade exodus that's now a famous example of EP's anti-competition attitude.

in the words of the doctor, the wheel just keeps on turning, nobody wins for long. and next time DC (or god forbid AD) starts pushing EP to their gate constantly you will be getting no sympathy from us, just swords.

God_flakes

I logged on last night at 7:30pm est. There was chit chat in zone but nothing of note happening on the map. I slinked my way to Ales mine, nothing, a ghost town. I peeled off some npc's and crept up to the flag. One EP came out and I handled him. I began to flip the flag and NO LIE 30 EP came flooding out of Ales! I of course ran for my life! They (all 30) proceeded to caltrops and magelight me down. Every time I glanced behind me there was a sea of them swarming. I darted behind rocks and trees, misting and cloaking my little heart out. To no avail...I was spotted and the horde descended on me. I stopped counting at 12 on my corpse. In the sea of names I saw one that stood out...she's quite a popular player-indeed mentioned again and again on the "best player PC NA" thread as being classy and fabulous. Mmmmmk. Sure.

EP, every single last one of you needs to check yourselves. Is this really how you want to play? 30 of you fighting for the meager ap of one solitary NB?

ZOS_DaryaK

We've removed several posts that were flaming and baiting. A couple of posts that were referencing posts removed were also removed. A certain amount of trash talk is expected in these discussions, just try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the topic.

frozywozy

The competition on Haderus last night was fantastic. The night started with AD totally dominating and and made a big stand at Brk for 1hour or 2. Then DC hold Brk also for a long time and in the end, EP got to stand up. The momentum switched from one faction to the other all night and I though it was great for a change. We had fights everywhere on the map from Bloodmayne to Ash and we could pick between multiple locations at once with action.

Again, please consider switching to Haderus if you are EP or DC.

Minno

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Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Did you miss the parts of the thread where I outlined how at this stage of the game, there simply aren't a lot of competitive guilds LEFT to counter this sort of thing?

What am I supposed to do, hire an Aussie guild?

I'm still confused where this whole situation is some how yours to handle . I've been saying DC not VE .

Im confused how you expect the nebulous entity of "DC" to somehow handle it. Should the faction come together and hire the unemployed in far-off timezones to buy the game, get good and hold the map at night?

Then keep stressing man . Let me know how that works out .

I'll take useful suggestions. Less than useful suggestions like "work it out" or "handle it" help nothing and legitimize the people making this happen with anti-competitive play.

Regardless you two have legitimate points. One says faction to sort itself out, after faction loss. The other requires we get a strategy going to pull some moves that don't feel like we're throwing sausages at a brick wall.

I got a few ideas (map-wise). Just need some willing bodies.

Rohamad_Ali

Minno wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs do better with a strong, responsible community. Gate camping is not a responsible way to keep healthy competition. It's a grief tactic that shuns players away. Sometimes we have to police our own game, and sometimes we have to foster "common courtesy rules" when the game doesn't have a feature or system in place to accomplish that on it's own.

Well let me tell you what happens here, the majority of the people in this thread has selective memory. AD was so strong back in the day they were doing the same things, then EP was stronger too for a time, then DC became stronger too and it was their cycle, now apparently its EP again being called out for "killing pvp".

Selective memory, is what you people have. Because I dont have to name your guild or any of you individually to have this comment hit your sight, and the reason is you were doing this exact thing in the past too by camping gates and stacking raids on top of raids and making Azura/Chillrend miserable. On other factions, on EP as well, you as sure did it too and since I have use of ESO playing time memory I can remember this happening even on the first day I joined pvp.

Many people here preach about good sportsmanship but I never seen one of you guys realize that raids were being stacked and then leave somewhere else on the map. I never see the so called by many guilds "lets help the lag and spread out" bs. Most of the people here goes with those words and ideals but you don't show them in game because by the time you realize whats going on your cup of ***** is empty and you decide to either stay instead of moving out or to keep going after the current objective, and THAT'S THE TRUTH EVERYBODY SEES. Nobody has to be challenged enough not to see this lets me honest.

I find most of the people posting in this thread so hypocrite, it's like a war of the pot calling the kettle black in big numbers. Don't come here and say you care about a campaign or PVP at all when you were ruining it for others recently or in a past or even currently. Regardless of how strong you think you are there is people out there that reads this stuff and even if people cares about what I say or not (im a nobody rly, zerg surfing mofo or small team guy) here is the thing, you guys lost a lot of respect and credibility with what has been said in this thread and if you wanna change things? well, regain what was lost first.


A mod should close this thread already, a pointless discussion rly

cya in the battlefield

Telel has a twitch stream wherein they not only show how they are not a threat but display the very behaviors you just said this one does not engage in.

Now, khajiit is no mathemamagician but they are pretty sure 'everything minus one' changes your equation a tiny amount.

Also it is most rude to accuse a humble one of engaging in bad acts they most certainly did not commit. In fact this one does not even have a cousin who conveniently looks like this one to be the one most obviously committing such heinous crimes.

But it is okay because this one understands that blaming Telel for someone else's problems is how people cope with being better than khajiit. Such superiotiry is truly a burden most weighty upon one's shoulders yes?

Can confirm . I've got his twitch . He's much too busy herding werecats to even bother . It's actually a pretty funny stream .

Someone's gotta teach the newbs not to spam snipe on the derp knights. That way they don't spend all those months suicidally attacking targets like a certain not good player did.

Sadly none of the 'good' players seem able to take up such a sanity shredding task and so it falls to the mediocritarch to make the recruits as average as possible while still trying to play to win.

also @frozywozy Fake smiles are the most hurtful. This is why this one never smiles when you kill them. They do not wish you to feel bad at getting so little AP from their corpse.

Always liked your posts and your streams Telel . And I'm not all that against what Frozn is saying , I just don't like Haderus or excluding AD . I do have friends in EP and AD even if we don't play PvP together . We need a 30 day campaign and DC just needs to get itself sorted . I don't like my own faction splitting apart , I don't care who recommends it anymore . There really just isn't a lot of DC full time PvP'ers . They're just loud sometimes so it seems like there is ... But I know everyone here knows better . AD is starting to see the same issue only in a different way . People leave and guilds need to regroup before asking the same old come to Our side and help routine .

DC can pull it together
AD can pull it together
I'm glad EP has pulled it together .

If pulling it together means getting a nightcap going, than naw.

I get it , you think EP won because of the night shift . I wasn't around for all drama with CN but I know they're not around at night anymore . So who ever decided to take CN out of the picture with out a replacement left a void for DC . Now EP goes mostly unchecked at night . I know one of my best friends even supported that decision . So I said fine , I don't know CN much anyways but you still created a problem . Fix it . They went on to say they're tired of fixing it . So I said don't be a leader then . Complaining is just that . It doesn't turn the map different colors .

I didnt create anything. I still worked with them until the day they left.

I dont think they won because of the nightshift, i know they did. Because they consistently lose all their stuff whenever competition logs on. If they want to stay up super late and take the map with no resistance, that's their prerogative. But I won't acknowledge that as a legit victory, and I won't stoop to the same level. Honestly cant, kind of have a life, work, etc.

CN doesn't even factor into this. Alma and Daniel deciding to abandon their guild to go to BDO has nothing to do with me or anything else.

You cant justify a nightcap, mate. You simply cannot. You can't justify doing it every night for 30 days. It's anti-competitive play, and I wont stop saying that because it's true.

I didn't name you or drop a single dime in that piece . I've always been against nightcaps . But there has to be a presence because no one in the history of this game has ever been able to stop it without one . What happened is over . Time to move on an find out who can and help get them support . Fill that pothole backup .

Did you miss the parts of the thread where I outlined how at this stage of the game, there simply aren't a lot of competitive guilds LEFT to counter this sort of thing?

What am I supposed to do, hire an Aussie guild?

I'm still confused where this whole situation is some how yours to handle . I've been saying DC not VE .

Im confused how you expect the nebulous entity of "DC" to somehow handle it. Should the faction come together and hire the unemployed in far-off timezones to buy the game, get good and hold the map at night?

Then keep stressing man . Let me know how that works out .

I'll take useful suggestions. Less than useful suggestions like "work it out" or "handle it" help nothing and legitimize the people making this happen with anti-competitive play.

Regardless you two have legitimate points. One says faction to sort itself out, after faction loss. The other requires we get a strategy going to pull some moves that don't feel like we're throwing sausages at a brick wall.

I got a few ideas (map-wise). Just need some willing bodies.

We'll be in touch for sure .

Making plans , working it out an stuff like old times ,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3zYG8DmQ78

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Between the crashes and the load screens, it is very frustrating to even try to PVP. From what I have seen, DC is very fractured. We have a loud player who screams in zone if we are not following her orders. Same one who berated us for fighting for 2 hours at DC as we tried to oust the squatting AD. I hate to break it to you but DC is as valid a home keep as Ales, so if you have a guild fighting to defend a home keep, SHUT YOUR D*MN MOUTH. ALL of the DC understand that the EP is running 60+. We can't fight those numbers. So if we can find a competitive battle with the AD (Ya'll who have been squatting are pretty good players) that are running a group that is about the same size as ours, then don't berate us in zone for finding PVP instead of being trampled by 5 to 1 odds by the EP.

With any luck, this will all change next week.

Rohamad_Ali

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Between the crashes and the load screens, it is very frustrating to even try to PVP. From what I have seen, DC is very fractured. We have a loud player who screams in zone if we are not following her orders. Same one who berated us for fighting for 2 hours at DC as we tried to oust the squatting AD. I hate to break it to you but DC is as valid a home keep as Ales, so if you have a guild fighting to defend a home keep, SHUT YOUR D*MN MOUTH. ALL of the DC understand that the EP is running 60+. We can't fight those numbers. So if we can find a competitive battle with the AD (Ya'll who have been squatting are pretty good players) that are running a group that is about the same size as ours, then don't berate us in zone for finding PVP instead of being trampled by 5 to 1 odds by the EP.

With any luck, this will all change next week.

Who is your group ?

PosternHouse

PrinceFabious wrote: »

DC stopped winning 30 day campaigns win CN left the game. It makes sense now zurgsnight/daycapping=victory.

FTFY. CN was a second rate group a step above pugs,and fought mostly pugs. They just happened to play the right time slots. (DC lost any meaningful late night/daytime groups.) Objectives held over long periods of time = points. During primetime, DC wrecks. Not that common sense matters to people, particularly salt mines like you.

Minno

PosternHouse wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

DC stopped winning 30 day campaigns win CN left the game. It makes sense now zurgsnight/daycapping=victory.

FTFY. CN was a second rate group a step above pugs,and fought mostly pugs. They just happened to play the right time slots. (DC lost any meaningful late night/daytime groups.) Objectives held over long periods of time = points. During primetime, DC wrecks. Not that common sense matters to people, particularly salt mines like you.

CN or not, DC consistently breaks EP at equal numbers; our players can bring their individual A-game. We just need to work around the numbers and not get bogged down by troll groups at a keep for 2hours.

PainfulFAFA

Akgurd wrote: »

More easy and simple solution.
Ask ZOS a timezone based campaigns.

- 24/7 campaign
- US prime time only campaign
- Oceanic prime time only campaign

This.
There should be campaigns that open up at certain hours and a winner is declared at the end of the day.
Literally a 8 hour campaign or something.
I had some fun last night before getting bored fighting the same potatoes, in the same lanes, surrounded by the same zergs. I counted 4-5 organized red raids (one of them running 2 raids ala tko) last night invict, haxu, pm, pr, surrounded by 60 other aoe caps..err i mean meatshields.

God_flakes

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Between the crashes and the load screens, it is very frustrating to even try to PVP. From what I have seen, DC is very fractured. We have a loud player who screams in zone if we are not following her orders. Same one who berated us for fighting for 2 hours at DC as we tried to oust the squatting AD. I hate to break it to you but DC is as valid a home keep as Ales, so if you have a guild fighting to defend a home keep, SHUT YOUR D*MN MOUTH. ALL of the DC understand that the EP is running 60+. We can't fight those numbers. So if we can find a competitive battle with the AD (Ya'll who have been squatting are pretty good players) that are running a group that is about the same size as ours, then don't berate us in zone for finding PVP instead of being trampled by 5 to 1 odds by the EP.

With any luck, this will all change next week.

That's me screaming at you because you're being potatoes trying to oust Unruh. You guys stupidly fed him mass amounts of ap for two hours and you're going to sit here and 1. Admit that? and 2. Complain that you did so because you refuse to listen to more seasoned leaders? I watched you guys get farmed for half an hour. You weren't taking a darn thing back. You were wasting your time! Unruh is only there to farm DC. I understand it's a home keep. But you need to learn when to cash in your chips and move to another part of the map and away from blatant farms.

Oh and P.S I'd love to see you just try and make me shut my mouth.

Nogawd

The comedy in this thread.....

All faction have pugging zergs, some guilds that even do it . No matter where you are, you hear all sides complain that "so and so all they do is zerg blah blah".

It's getting old.

I'm in 2 very small pvp guilds on the server and we typically run with 6-8 players. You know what? We constantly get rolled over. But, every now and then, we take out a zerg. I think we cause more havok on the map than the zergs to be honest because we force them to come to us. I think the zergs cancel one another out so it it pointless to complain.

But complaining, many of these entitled players love to do. Such babies.

Rohamad_Ali

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

God_flakes

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

Right? He can set me to ignore and lead his group to 20+ wipes against Unruh for hours at a time. Whatever. But please Rdmyers, explain to me how you're helping DC by doing this?

Minno

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

DC just needs to save the qq, tin-foil hypothesis, and general rants for forum pvp. Zone chat should be clear for call outs and LFG.

Rohamad_Ali

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

Right? He can set me to ignore and lead his group to 20+ wipes against Unruh for hours at a time. Whatever. But please Rdmyers, explain to me how you're helping DC by doing this?

People in general are not helping when grouped with leaders that run them into the same wall over and over . If this is the group "I think" it is , you're probably wasting effort trying to communicate . I could be wrong as to who it is .

Telel

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

Right? He can set me to ignore and lead his group to 20+ wipes against Unruh for hours at a time. Whatever. But please Rdmyers, explain to me how you're helping DC by doing this?

People in general are not helping when grouped with leaders that run them into the same wall over and over . If this is the group "I think" it is , you're probably wasting effort trying to communicate . I could be wrong as to who it is .

Telel finds that those who want to see people play better are best served by leading groups the way they should be led, and inviting more people into them so they see how it should be done.

They also find that scolding the purposefully bad is quite cathartic but ultimately does little else. People who wish to help the opposition level up are going to do so no matter how many times they're told they should just re roll for the other side.

This is why khajiit has resorted to leading PUGs despite their own lack of patience and skill. It is what some might call putting one's coins where they ingest bloody meats ripped whole from the flesh of their prey.

Still though, this one will likely never stop scolding the lemmings and leeches. They're just to willfully ignorant and numerous to fully ignore.

Ghostbane

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Between the crashes and the load screens, it is very frustrating to even try to PVP. From what I have seen, DC is very fractured. We have a loud player who screams in zone if we are not following her orders. Same one who berated us for fighting for 2 hours at DC as we tried to oust the squatting AD. I hate to break it to you but DC is as valid a home keep as Ales, so if you have a guild fighting to defend a home keep, SHUT YOUR D*MN MOUTH. ALL of the DC understand that the EP is running 60+. We can't fight those numbers. So if we can find a competitive battle with the AD (Ya'll who have been squatting are pretty good players) that are running a group that is about the same size as ours, then don't berate us in zone for finding PVP instead of being trampled by 5 to 1 odds by the EP.

With any luck, this will all change next week.

Good fights to you and yours.

PrinceFabious

Well, this isnt the situation in Haderus. The few EP numbers here are some of the best. DC tried to push for EMP in prime time but got their ass handed to them. But look, I wake up and it was nightcapped at 5 am. Its no excuse for the ep night in TF but DC isnt in the clear from doing the same as well

Minno

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Well, this isnt the situation in Haderus. The few EP numbers here are some of the best. DC tried to push for EMP in prime time but got their ass handed to them. But look, I wake up and it was nightcapped at 5 am. Its no excuse for the ep night in TF but DC isnt in the clear from doing the same as well

Then DC got themselves an Alaskan/kiwi guild!

PrinceFabious

Minno wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Well, this isnt the situation in Haderus. The few EP numbers here are some of the best. DC tried to push for EMP in prime time but got their ass handed to them. But look, I wake up and it was nightcapped at 5 am. Its no excuse for the ep night in TF but DC isnt in the clear from doing the same as well

Then DC got themselves an Alaskan/kiwi guild!

Lol no. It was khole. I hate to say it.. But it was

Rohamad_Ali

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

Right? He can set me to ignore and lead his group to 20+ wipes against Unruh for hours at a time. Whatever. But please Rdmyers, explain to me how you're helping DC by doing this?

People in general are not helping when grouped with leaders that run them into the same wall over and over . If this is the group "I think" it is , you're probably wasting effort trying to communicate . I could be wrong as to who it is .

Telel finds that those who want to see people play better are best served by leading groups the way they should be led, and inviting more people into them so they see how it should be done.

They also find that scolding the purposefully bad is quite cathartic but ultimately does little else. People who wish to help the opposition level up are going to do so no matter how many times they're told they should just re roll for the other side.

This is why khajiit has resorted to leading PUGs despite their own lack of patience and skill. It is what some might call putting one's coins where they ingest bloody meats ripped whole from the flesh of their prey.

Still though, this one will likely never stop scolding the lemmings and leeches. They're just to willfully ignorant and numerous to fully ignore.

Awesome . I completely agree . That's why I enjoy helping those I can and adding to my ignore list those I I've tried but can't , that still rage about losing after . I clear them off in a few days just to read if they've healed yet .

God_flakes

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

Right? He can set me to ignore and lead his group to 20+ wipes against Unruh for hours at a time. Whatever. But please Rdmyers, explain to me how you're helping DC by doing this?

People in general are not helping when grouped with leaders that run them into the same wall over and over . If this is the group "I think" it is , you're probably wasting effort trying to communicate . I could be wrong as to who it is .

Telel finds that those who want to see people play better are best served by leading groups the way they should be led, and inviting more people into them so they see how it should be done.

They also find that scolding the purposefully bad is quite cathartic but ultimately does little else. People who wish to help the opposition level up are going to do so no matter how many times they're told they should just re roll for the other side.

This is why khajiit has resorted to leading PUGs despite their own lack of patience and skill. It is what some might call putting one's coins where they ingest bloody meats ripped whole from the flesh of their prey.

Still though, this one will likely never stop scolding the lemmings and leeches. They're just to willfully ignorant and numerous to fully ignore.

Awesome . I completely agree . That's why I enjoy helping those I can and adding to my ignore list those I I've tried but can't , that still rage about losing after . I clear them off in a few days just to read if they've healed yet .

I get asked frequently to yell something in zone because people know I will do it, Idgaf whose toes I trample and it does usually work. People DO listen. I have for some reason had sway with my ungrouped brothers at arms. But when you don't listen and you get farmed for 2 hours...ya got nerve coming here and giving me lip about it.

Minno

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Well, this isnt the situation in Haderus. The few EP numbers here are some of the best. DC tried to push for EMP in prime time but got their ass handed to them. But look, I wake up and it was nightcapped at 5 am. Its no excuse for the ep night in TF but DC isnt in the clear from doing the same as well

Then DC got themselves an Alaskan/kiwi guild!

Lol no. It was khole. I hate to say it.. But it was

Isn't k-hole no more than 24 at primetime? If keeps were back-capped I'd assume no more than 12 were online at the time. A faction couldn't beat or stalemate 12 tired players?

Doesn't compare to TF where you'll see full raids running around zerging player and keeps.

tonemd

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Well if people would just tune out and filter DC zone chat some they'd avoid all this ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0

Right? He can set me to ignore and lead his group to 20+ wipes against Unruh for hours at a time. Whatever. But please Rdmyers, explain to me how you're helping DC by doing this?

People in general are not helping when grouped with leaders that run them into the same wall over and over . If this is the group "I think" it is , you're probably wasting effort trying to communicate . I could be wrong as to who it is .

Telel finds that those who want to see people play better are best served by leading groups the way they should be led, and inviting more people into them so they see how it should be done.

They also find that scolding the purposefully bad is quite cathartic but ultimately does little else. People who wish to help the opposition level up are going to do so no matter how many times they're told they should just re roll for the other side.

This is why khajiit has resorted to leading PUGs despite their own lack of patience and skill. It is what some might call putting one's coins where they ingest bloody meats ripped whole from the flesh of their prey.

Still though, this one will likely never stop scolding the lemmings and leeches. They're just to willfully ignorant and numerous to fully ignore.

Awesome . I completely agree . That's why I enjoy helping those I can and adding to my ignore list those I I've tried but can't , that still rage about losing after . I clear them off in a few days just to read if they've healed yet .

I get asked frequently to yell something in zone because people know I will do it, Idgaf whose toes I trample and it does usually work. People DO listen. I have for some reason had sway with my ungrouped brothers at arms. But when you don't listen and you get farmed for 2 hours...ya got nerve coming here and giving me lip about it.

J...eh...God Flakes, your caps locked "suggestions" only have sway in the vacuum of commands that tend to happen when the organized groups are concentrating on objectives, or have logged, or have defended ales for 2 hours and now its all to Chalamo You could get the same results without the hyperbole. But, that is your style.

In general, many of us "ungrouped" are just looking for swords and reading zone for the action. When communication shuts down we tend to just stay where the action is until the deaths outnumber the kills.

There was a time when large guilds would have an organized guild only group and a pug group. Do people still do that these days? Beyond Guard and SG I don't see alot of pug pick up. And without constant zone communication, the PuGs cannot be directed to where they will be most useful.

You have meat shields, use them.

PosternHouse

I'm like 95% sure KHole rarely has groups larger than 16, and hardly even that most of the time.

PrinceFabious

Minno wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Well, this isnt the situation in Haderus. The few EP numbers here are some of the best. DC tried to push for EMP in prime time but got their ass handed to them. But look, I wake up and it was nightcapped at 5 am. Its no excuse for the ep night in TF but DC isnt in the clear from doing the same as well

Then DC got themselves an Alaskan/kiwi guild!

Lol no. It was khole. I hate to say it.. But it was

Isn't k-hole no more than 24 at primetime? If keeps were back-capped I'd assume no more than 12 were online at the time. A faction couldn't beat or stalemate 12 tired players?

Doesn't compare to TF where you'll see full raids running around zerging player and keeps.

I wish that made sense. You dont seem to understand that point im making. The "top" players of DC nightcapping while they complain in every other thread about other factions doing the same.