So, Why Can't I Attack A Killer?

KerinKor

Why can't I attack someone who's attackng an NPC?

Runs

Because some people are too afraid of any type of open world pvp.

KerinKor

Just another fatuous aspect of the 'Justice' system .. if someone wants to role-play a sociopath I should be able to role-play a vigilante.

I don't PVP usually but Open World PVP when it's consensual has it's place, and if someone attacks an NPC they clearly want to be flagged for PVP.

clocksstoppe

Why can't I attack you cause you looked the wrong way at me?

Duiwel

Dear OP look up justice system PvP and have a look at how epic it would have been

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Why need a reason????
Just because is reason enough.

xilfxlegion

if you kill a killer there are the same amount of killers.

Sallington

Carebears.

vyrusb23

KerinKor wrote: »

if someone attacks an NPC they clearly want to be flagged for PVP.

That's not true. I've killed quite a few NPCs and I never want to be flagged for PvP.

Lynx7386

Because ZOS is too lazy to finish the justice system

Divinius

Ignoring the whole Justice System PvP debacle...

I'm more annoyed that if you have "Prevent Attacking Innocents" turned on, you can't defend yourself when one of those "innocents" turns red and starts wailing on you because he noticed you trying to pick his pocket.

I want to be a thief, but not a murderer. Killing in self-defense is not a crime in this game, and doesn't get you a bounty. When an innocent goes from white to red, I should be able to attack him back, even with that "prevent" setting turned on.

Gargath

Go tell Mr. Guard about the crime

purple-magicb16_ESO

KerinKor wrote: »

Just another fatuous aspect of the 'Justice' system .. if someone wants to role-play a sociopath I should be able to role-play a vigilante.

I don't PVP usually but Open World PVP when it's consensual has it's place, and if someone attacks an NPC they clearly want to be flagged for PVP.

Not necessarily true. There is an achievement associated with killing innocents.

Also what you are describing is pvp. My question to you is why are you not in pvp? if this is the kind of game play you want, it is already available. So what's the problem then?

I feel for ZoS. You really can't please everyone.

Divinius

KerinKor wrote: »

.. if someone attacks an NPC they clearly want to be flagged for PVP.

How does this statement make any logical sense in any universe?

That's doesn't follow at all. There's tons of reasons to attack "innocent" NPCs in this game, and none of them equate to "I want to open myself for ganking by actual players."

Fallen_Ray

KerinKor wrote: »

Just another fatuous aspect of the 'Justice' system .. if someone wants to role-play a sociopath I should be able to role-play a vigilante.

I don't PVP usually but Open World PVP when it's consensual has it's place, and if someone attacks an NPC they clearly want to be flagged for PVP.

Open World PVP spells for an out of order insane area where players go mad in a killing spree. We don't need this in Elder Scrolls. Theres a war raging in Cyrodiil, there you can kill players.

If you wanna play as a sociopath killing vigilante Grand Theft Auto Online is the kind of Open World PVP you need. The place is exactly what I just described.

Ritzey01

There is open world PVP in Cyrodiil, why bring to to PVE? Some people want and enjoy the justice system but are not into PVP. I know there have been several times when i would have been flag entirely by accident just for using an aoe and hitting an npc that was fighting the mob, or opening a contained and miss and pick up a hunk of cheese and being attacked. Why should i be flagged and forced to PVP?

Mr.Hmm

Duiwel wrote: »

Dear OP look up justice system PvP and have a look at how epic it would have been

^^^

Shame ZoS never finished Justice system.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

you can, go to cyrodiil

otherwise, keep pvp out of pve

Totalitarian

Gargath wrote: »

Go tell Mr. Guard about the crime

Sometimes when I see someone murder an NPC in front of my face, I'll put in /say ":O" or "I'm telling"

Ser Lobo

I'll give you the real reasons, Op. We can't attack other players because before the thing even went to a real beta, it was being abused by alpha testers.

Somebody finally got smart and said: you know, lets see if we can predict what the very worst of our playerbase would do with this system!

What they found out is that, unless they made the flagging system exceptionally complicated, than both criminals AND vigilante's would group up in large groups and 'farm' or 'grief' players who were trying to participate in the justice system solo or in smaller groups.

Just like Cyrodiil: the zerg/herd and 'exploit every mechanic because that's cool' crowd ruins all.

Rohamad_Ali

Because PvP isn't popular . Inner faction PvP even less unpopular . As much as I may have liked it , ESO dodged a bullet . A big one . You would have massive community outcry . So they have unkillable guards to keep order in towns .

Korah_Eaglecry

Runs wrote: »

Because some people are too afraid of any type of open world pvp.

Yes, infer people you know nothing about are cowards in a video game. Because that really makes you look superior and strong.

Tryxus

If that ever got added, I'd grab all my gold gear and weps, put on my game face and head to Stros M'Kai to kick the v16 (or 160CP soon) players out and stop them from attacking new players and fresh alts

Nestor

I don't worry about the NPCs being killed, they get respawned in a few minutes.

Just yesterday, I was doing some writs in Daggerfall and and there were about 15 or 20 NPCs all dead on the ground near the Woodworker Shop, I even have a screen shot. Most of them were dups, dead dups, but still dups.

Taisynn

Because nobody wants to be ganked while experiencing the game and listening to NPC reactions. The last thing I want is to be enjoying the Thieves Guild storyline, and suddenly some zerg decides to take me out for just doing what the quests told me to do.

This is a storyline-driven game. If you want PVP, go to Cyrodil.

idk

KerinKor wrote: »

Just another fatuous aspect of the 'Justice' system .. if someone wants to role-play a sociopath I should be able to role-play a vigilante.

I don't PVP usually but Open World PVP when it's consensual has it's place, and if someone attacks an NPC they clearly want to be flagged for PVP.

Most quests require killing an NPC. Sometimes many of them. That would mean we are consenting to open world PvP for just playing the game. Yea, don't think that'll fly far.

MarcoPolo

As said if you want pvp then go to cyrodil, leave pvp out of pve.

leepalmer95

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

you can, go to cyrodiil

otherwise, keep pvp out of pve

If you want to quest and farm mobs go you go anywhere but cyrodill.

Keep pve out of pvp.

cyclonus11

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

you can, go to cyrodiil

otherwise, keep pvp out of pve

If you want to quest and farm mobs go you go anywhere but cyrodill.

Keep pve out of pvp.

Agreed. I shouldn't have to go to Cyrodiil to get various quest and exploration achievements (like skyshards or dolmens). Make the PvP areas PvP only.

Volkodav

ESO has never been about out and out open world killing just for the hell of it.There is a world of life,story,and more that makes this game different than GTA and others like it.Which makes it so popular.
It has no reputation for being a "kill cos I can" game.
If they ever turn it into that,an open world where anyone can gank anyone else,that will be the end of my ride.However,I dont believe ZOS will take this direction ever.I think they would lose a lot of players.Players who have been on board and love the TES series for a long time.

craybest

what about accidentally attacking an NPC? I've done that a few times before and I'd hate to be flagged for PVP against anyone just because of a mistake (luckily now I have innocent attacking turnd off)